Speculation: Trade Speculation Part III

[hlaverty06]

I know Grabovski has a bad contract but if we could get him (he's a 3rd line C in Tor)

Henrique-Grabovski-Kovalchuk
Elias-Zajac-Zubrus
Poni-Loki-Clarkson

That's a great top 9, but again his contract could be an issue

 

[Traitor Zach]

I know Grabovski has a bad contract but if we could get him (he's a 3rd line C in Tor)

Henrique-Grabovski-Kovalchuk
Elias-Zajac-Zubrus
Poni-Loki-Clarkson

That's a great top 9, but again his contract could be an issue

Major pass on Grabovski. That contract is a problem. It would inhibit flexibility in the next couple years in terms of Cap and any foray into free agency for other needs. I don't see a fit.

 

[apice3*]

There is a reason he was benched dont know why Lou would want him.

Kovalchuk once wore out his welcome in Atlanta. No idea why Lou would want him.

 

[hlaverty06]

Major pass on Grabovski. That contract is a problem. It would inhibit flexibility in the next couple years in terms of Cap and any foray into free agency for other needs. I don't see a fit.

I'm thinking in terms of the player he is, he's a shoot first kind of guy, Elias and Grabo together would be pretty good, I know I'm in the minority but I like him

If we got TOR to keep 1.5 in cap that would be great

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Grabovski's a very good 2 way center. Those guys never hurt your team.

 

[NJDevs26]

Kovalchuk once wore out his welcome in Atlanta. No idea why Lou would want him.

Kovy did not wear out his welcome, he was the C and offered a $100 million plus deal. He refused to sign long-term with that black hole, so they had to get something for him.

If you wanted to say Loikotonov wore out his welcome in LA on the other hand, that'd be factually correct. Zidlicky too, like someone else said. So Lou's not averse to acquiring players who had a falling out. Key is what DeBoer thinks of Weiss since he himself has experience with him.

 

[NJDevs26]

It's time to try to make a move. Unfortunately what assets do we have other than draft picks, or top rated prospects like Merrill?

Our draft picks are running out too, we don't have as many to offer as other teams do.

 

[Traitor Zach]

Grabovski's a very good 2 way center. Those guys never hurt your team.

He is. But he carries a high salary and on this team, he's not really a fit, unless you assume that both Elias and Henrique need to play at wing.

 

[hlaverty06]

He is. But he carries a high salary and on this team, he's not really a fit, unless you assume that both Elias and Henrique need to play at wing.

Elias and Henrique would. Grabo would have to play with Elias cause of their play style

 

[apice3*]

Kovy did not wear out his welcome, he was the C and offered a $100 million plus deal. He refused to sign long-term with that black hole, so they had to get something for him.

If you wanted to say Loikotonov wore out his welcome in LA on the other hand, that'd be factually correct. Zidlicky too, like someone else said. So Lou's not averse to acquiring players who had a falling out. Key is what DeBoer thinks of Weiss since he himself has experience with him.

Point being, players need a change of scenery all the time. Eventually being in one place grows tiresome, especially if they are perennial losers. Kind of what I meant with the Kovy comparison.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

To be sure, I would not pay a real heavy price for Weiss as he is a rental and also -11 currently, but he does have Top-6 talent and there may be familiarity with DeBoer.

You would not pay a "real heavy price" for Weiss, and neither would Lou.

I think we should all trust that Lou would not make a trade that could prove to be debilitating for the organization. He was able to outbid everyone in the Kovalchuk sweepstakes, and still fleece the **** out of the Thrashers. Granted, Tallon is no Waddell, but the point still stands.

He'll name his price, and he won't waver from it. If we acquire him, it'll be another "Wow, how the hell did he pull that one off?" If we don't acquire him, either another team would have drastically overpaid or Weiss would have turned around his game.

I know Grabovski has a bad contract but if we could get him (he's a 3rd line C in Tor)

Henrique-Grabovski-Kovalchuk
Elias-Zajac-Zubrus
Poni-Loki-Clarkson

That's a great top 9, but again his contract could be an issue

No thank you very much re: Grabovski. That contract, man... that contract.

I also think it'd send a crappy message to Zajac if some ****head from Toronto got acquired and swooped in to take his spot on the top line next to Kovy.

If we're making a trade with Toronto, I'd rather spend assets on Kulemin.

 

[devilsblood]

Our draft picks are running out too, we don't have as many to offer as other teams do.

The trade assets the Devils have is D-men, both NHLers and prospects. And aside from Larsson and Greene I am not adversed to trading any of them.

 

[NJDevs26]

No thank you very much re: Grabovski. That contract, man... that contract.

I also think it'd send a crappy message to Zajac if some ****head from Toronto got acquired and swooped in to take his spot on the top line next to Kovy.

If we're making a trade with Toronto, I'd rather spend assets on Kulemin.

Well it's not like Zajac's going anywhere for the next nine years anyway. If he doesn't want someone taking the first-line center job, let him start scoring like a first-line center again.

Not that I want Grabovski either, but Zajac doesn't have to be the #1 in perpituity.

 

[devilsblood]

Well it's not like Zajac's going anywhere for the next nine years anyway. If he doesn't want someone taking the first-line center job, let him start scoring like a first-line center again.

Not that I want Grabovski either, but Zajac doesn't have to be the #1 in perpituity.

Nor is it like Zajac is a clear cut #1 center.

And our 2nd line only has our leading goal scorer and team leader in points.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Well it's not like Zajac's going anywhere for the next nine years anyway. If he doesn't want someone taking the first-line center job, let him start scoring like a first-line center again.

Not that I want Grabovski either, but Zajac doesn't have to be the #1 in perpituity.

I'm not saying he'll be our first line center for the next nine years.

My point is that having an acquisition readily penciled in ahead of the guy that committed the majority of his to the organization is wrong.

And if we talk on a production level, Grabovski only has 2 more points than Zajac in the same number of games played. Grabovski is also a -3, whereas Zajac is a +7.

We don't have to treat Zajac like a king for his whole stay here, but we have to at least give him some wink-wink preference. In the aftermath of the Parise situation, Zajac took a stand and committed to the club. IMO, he deserves a little special treatment for that alone.

 

[devilsblood]

I'm not saying he'll be our first line center for the next nine years.

My point is that having an acquisition readily penciled in ahead of the guy that committed the majority of his to the organization is wrong.

And if we talk on a production level, Grabovski only has 2 more points than Zajac in the same number of games played. Grabovski is also a -3, whereas Zajac is a +7.

We don't have to treat Zajac like a king for his whole stay here, but we have to at least give him some wink-wink preference. In the aftermath of the Parise situation, Zajac took a stand and committed to the club. IMO, he deserves a little special treatment for that alone.

But what are we talking? "demoting" him to the Clarkson-Elias line? I don't see the insult.

Not saying I want Grabovski, nor do I think if we were to get him he should be on the 1st line, but not buying into keeping Zajac on the 1st line as payment for his loyalty(kind of thought that's what the $54 million was for anyway).

 

[Bleedred]

Put Zajac on the 2nd line. He's looked a lot better with Patty.

Then Loktionov with Kovy, and maybe even Henrique on the wing. That could be an abysmal first line, but it could be a sleeper line too.

 

[devilsblood]

Put Zajac on the 2nd line. He's looked a lot better with Patty.

Then Loktionov with Kovy, and maybe even Henrique on the wing. That could be an abysmal first line, but it could be a sleeper line too.

No reason to think Kovy/Lokti/Henrique would be abysmal.

 

[Bleedred]

No reason to think Kovy/Lokti/Henrique would be abysmal.

Not at all, but I just didn't want people to think I meant it was gonna be the messiah either!

 

[JackHughes86]

we looked terrible ever since zubrus got hurt

 

[Emperoreddy]

Because you look for opportunities to buy low. In this situation, we have a top 6 calibre forward who is playing worse than his talent level, and might be able to thrive in a better system with his former coach.

It is the only way to get that type of talent without breaking the bank. What he did with Zids, and say what you will we didn't give up much for a PMD that we were severely lacking last year. He was a big part of our run.

Moves are risks of course, but they can pay off. Also seeing a low risk version of that in Loki I think. If you can determine it is the environment and not a players selfish attitude causing the problems then a change of scenery could be just what the doctor order.

Also adding 25-30 points on the 3rd line will help this team because we are not getting anything out of the line we should want to be our third line (Loki's/the line Zubs will play on), and playing our 4th line in their place. I like the idea of Weiss because it might allow us to slot guys down instead of just plugging a new guy down there.

We need to spread the scoring out, we are our best when that is the case.

 

[Semak]

It is the only way to get that type of talent without breaking the bank. What he did with Zids, and say what you will we didn't give up much for a PMD that we were severely lacking last year. He was a big part of our run.

Moves are risks of course, but they can pay off. Also seeing a low risk version of that in Loki I think. If you can determine it is the environment and not a players selfish attitude causing the problems then a change of scenery could be just what the doctor order.

Also adding 25-30 points on the 3rd line will help this team because we are not getting anything out of the line we should want to be our third line (Loki's/the line Zubs will play on), and playing our 4th line in their place. I like the idea of Weiss because it might allow us to slot guys down instead of just plugging a new guy down there.

We need to spread the scoring out, we are our best when that is the case.

Solid post there, Monkey D. Luffy. I think it still might be tough to get either Weiss or Kulemin. I'm expecting another surprise, left field trade(if one happens) where Lou thinks player X is perfect for our system even if it isn't an obvious choice.

 

[hlaverty06]

Grabovski wouldn't play with Kovy, their playing style prohibits that.

Grabo would be great with Elias

 

[Richer's Ghost]

we looked terrible ever since zubrus got hurt

No coffee and bad music? I know that makes for a bad day when it happens to me.

 

[foxboro24]

Maybe it is because we keep changing lines over and over that we cannot find good chemistry out there. We were at our best when the first line last year was Kovi-Henrique-*******bag and it stayed that way for most of the season....the fourth line did great because of their chemistry...Maybe the Ryan Carter injury hurts more than it would look on paper