Speculation: Trade Speculation/Be a GM Thread

[iamitter]

5-7 Max he sucks

He's had 23,16,10,12,18,9 the past 6 years and his boardwork is part of his strong suit.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I asked about the value of Derek Stepan in the trade forum, but from this post, it doesn't appear the Hawks/Rags make a good trade partners. The Hawks would probably make Bolland available for Stepan, but that's probably not nearly enough...

He's our #1c at the moment.. not a good match.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Pyatt has terrible board work on the cycle and is only in the NHL because of his size. He has a little scoring touch, but won't score more than 10-14 in a full season.

He's scored more than 10 before. You seem to forget everyone who comes to the Rangers forgets how to score any goals.

 

[The Gloaming]

I asked about the value of Derek Stepan in the trade forum, but from this post, it doesn't appear the Hawks/Rags make a good trade partners. The Hawks would probably make Bolland available for Stepan, but that's probably not nearly enough...

Well...if you want us to be friendly to you, you're not off to a good start.

And with Richards playing like crap, the Rangers are in no position to trade their best center.

 

[Kwayry]

I asked about the value of Derek Stepan in the trade forum, but from this post, it doesn't appear the Hawks/Rags make a good trade partners. The Hawks would probably make Bolland available for Stepan, but that's probably not nearly enough...

That's very generous of you to "probably" make Bolland available for Stepan. Since it will not be enough and the Rangers have to add, we decline.
How about we probably make Boyle available for Saad?

 

[bernmeister]

WHY THE **** DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS ****!??!

It will NEVER happen! Biron has no trade value, and the Rangers would never trade Stepan, Girardi, and Gabby in THE SAME TRADE.

The amount of facepalm in this proposal is monumental. Lay off the Acid and NHL 13, it's ruining your brain.

Biron has no trade value

You completely ignored what I said about Biron makes it a lot easier to deal Luongo.

and the Rangers would never trade Stepan, Girardi, and Gabby in THE SAME TRADE.

The question should be not what you trade, but what you get back.

As to no megadeal, I remember Park + Ratelle for Espo + Vadnais. A deal that should NOT have been done. If that deal could get done, so can this one.

Will it, realistically?
No there is probably too much discussion that needs be done before the upcoming deadline. But we contribute to a competition of ideas to discuss their pros and cons, not whether or not they can actually get done on short notice.

 

[bernmeister]

Kessler has been injured like crazy lately.. gaborik is a main piece in a trade so is stepan and so is girardi. Putting all 3 of them in the same deal is horribad

The Kesler injury risk is fair.
I did say it was a gamble he'd return to form.

Getting Edler for Girardi is a younger, pre-prime great overall D with less wear and tear for a vet D specialist in his prime. Edler is the better skater. It's not a bad move there.

Gabby 2 firsts, late unless something happens to Vancouver. Do you think Gaborik gets us much more?

Not horribad given the return.

 

[Kwayry]

The Kesler injury risk is fair.
I did say it was a gamble he'd return to form.

Getting Edler for Girardi is a younger, pre-prime great overall D with less wear and tear for a vet D specialist in his prime. Edler is the better skater. It's not a bad move there.

Gabby 2 firsts, late unless something happens to Vancouver. Do you think Gaborik gets us much more?

Not horribad given the return.

Except it is. Edler is great and everything, but he is a lefty, you are trading our only top pairing RD for another lefty.
This ain't NHL 13.

 

[bernmeister]

Except it is. Edler is great and everything, but he is a lefty, you are trading our only top pairing RD for another lefty.
This ain't NHL 13.

And this is where you guys gotta understand I am correct, not the rigid mindset you insist upon.

L-R balance etc issues are nice and important but not overriding.
The single most important one factor in the equation, not itself the only thing, but certainly a prime directive, is to obtain more total assets.

Someone recently addressed a parallel of this saying if we got Yandle at a price we were good with, we could flip Marc Staal to St. Lou for Shattenkirk + Peron. I'm not sure you can pull that off, but the basic premise about swapping a lefty D for a righty D can be explored if necessary.

 

[pld459666]

I didn't realize you knew exactly how the season was going down. My bad.

you are forgiven.

 

[pld459666]

We need a 3c and a 2nd line LW.. That would give us some good depth, but again, it wont matter until Richards starts to get his head out of his ass.

lets be honest shall we.

Hagelin, as nice a player that he is, is not a 1st line LW.

So, we need a top line LW (trade Gabby striaght up for one...not likely)

We need a 3rd line center that is capable of putting up 30-40 points and I'm not convinced that we need a PPQB. I would prefer to get a competent and capable 3rd pairing defenceman.

Sauer would round out our defence very nicely.

 

[Jackpot]

Sauer would round out our defence very nicely.

It would be wise IMO to look beyond Sauer, sad indeed. I would also consider moving Staal at this point, the trend is hard to ignore, or make believe isn't there. Not sure what kind of trade value he still holds, but I'm sure Carolina would have an interest to the point of the return being decent....

 

[NikC]

I would definitely approach the Canes with a M.Staal trade. The writing is on the wall with Marc. Good guy, good defenseman, overated imo. Seems to moving from one injury to the next. He might only return until the last 2 weeks of the season. He'll be rusty.

 

[pld459666]

It would be wise IMO to look beyond Sauer, sad indeed. I would also consider moving Staal at this point, the trend is hard to ignore, or make believe isn't there. Not sure what kind of trade value he still holds, but I'm sure Carolina would have an interest to the point of the return being decent....

Agreed.

However, I feel that he is the TYPE of defenceman that the Rangers need and not some fantasy PPQB that is going to make the players on the Rangers move their feet.

As long as we have Sully drawing up the PP and stationary players getting put out there time and again, there's no PPQB in the league that's going to make a bit of difference.

The Nash acquisition didn't create holes in the line-up. They have been there.

Fans got drunk on Boyle's anomoly season. We hoped that Nash would come in and play the LW and mesh with Richards and Gaborik to form a very formidable top line.

We hoped that Kreider would be the player he is projected to be in year one.

I can rant on, but it would be pointless. Hockey is different here.

 

[Tawnos]

And this is where you guys gotta understand I am correct, not the rigid mindset you insist upon.

L-R balance etc issues are nice and important but not overriding.
The single most important one factor in the equation, not itself the only thing, but certainly a prime directive, is to obtain more total assets.

Someone recently addressed a parallel of this saying if we got Yandle at a price we were good with, we could flip Marc Staal to St. Lou for Shattenkirk + Peron. I'm not sure you can pull that off, but the basic premise about swapping a lefty D for a righty D can be explored if necessary.

No idea why I'm responding here, but...

This isn't Monopoly. Obtaining more assets isn't ANY part of the equation, much less a prime directive (of which there can only be one, btw... Thus the word prime). The prime directive would be to build a winning hockey team. Roster building, which includes obtaining as much of a balance as possible between left and right D (no matter which way they shoot), is far far more important than obtaining more assets.

 

[silverfish]

It would be wise IMO to look beyond Sauer, sad indeed. I would also consider moving Staal at this point, the trend is hard to ignore, or make believe isn't there. Not sure what kind of trade value he still holds, but I'm sure Carolina would have an interest to the point of the return being decent....

Look to move Staal? Are you serious? Have you seen what the Rangers defense has looked like since he went down?

I've been telling people all along, even last year, that Staal is this team's number 1 d-man. It was the minority viewpoint last season with the emergence of McDonagh, but now I think it's pretty obvious.

 

[Vitto79]

I am going to guess they wont get enough for Gaborik so he stays until next yrs draft then they load up on a first, prospects and a NHL body or two

For now they need Gaborik, Richards, Nash to produce. Stepan and Callahan have been doing just fine and while Hagelin is a better 3rd liner he is doing a good job overall.

After that the bottom 6 needds to be fixed up and they have started the process.

Kind of scares me they are relying on rookies like Kreider, Miller, and really Zuccarello doesnt have much experience.

I like Powe and Asham on 4th line dutiies

Boyle and Pyatt are likely gonners. Phoenx may be a good fit as they are familiar with Pyatt ..........Torres (UFA) and a 5th?

 

[*Bob Richards*]

As I said in the Trade Board, Bern's proposals are akin to those prison scenes in movies where the general population is sitting in the cafeteria and someone yells out, "CHANGE PLACES" and a swirl of bodies move around leaving the original table unrecognizable.

 

[Leetch3]

I would definitely approach the Canes with a M.Staal trade. The writing is on the wall with Marc. Good guy, good defenseman, overated imo. Seems to moving from one injury to the next. He might only return until the last 2 weeks of the season. He'll be rusty.

lmao the guy took a slapshot to the eyeball...hardly an injury i'd use to classify a guy injury-prone.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

If the first half of this season (especially the last few weeks) havent shown how valuable Staal is I'm not sure what will.

Also just comical that a puck deflecting into your eye is a sign of being "injury prone".

This place.

 

[Jackpot]

lmao the guy took a slapshot to the eyeball...hardly an injury i'd use to classify a guy injury-prone.

Seriously, you think that's why he's still sidelined? There was no structural damage to his eye. If it were as simple as letting the swelling subside he would have been back a couple of weeks ago. He took a puck to the head, I can almost guarantee you he's suffering from concussion symptoms again...

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

Seriously, you think that's why he's still sidelined? There was no structural damage to his eye. If it were as simple as letting the swelling subside he would have been back a couple of weeks ago. He took a puck to the head, I can almost guarantee you he's suffering from concussion symptoms again...

Staal has no concussion issues with the eye injury. The reason why has been out a bit longer is that there is blood at the back of the eye. That has to fully clear.

Also, unless Staal was hell bent on leaving the Rangers, they should do everything in their power to keep him. I would much rather get rid of Girardi before Staal.

I also think Dan is a heck of a Dman.

Honestly, The Rangers should do everything to keep: McD, MDZ, and Staal.

 

[Trxjw]

Seriously, you think that's why he's still sidelined? There was no structural damage to his eye. If it were as simple as letting the swelling subside he would have been back a couple of weeks ago. He took a puck to the head, I can almost guarantee you he's suffering from concussion symptoms again...

Clearly you must be a doctor..

 

[Ail]

Look to move Staal? Are you serious? Have you seen what the Rangers defense has looked like since he went down?

I've been telling people all along, even last year, that Staal is this team's number 1 d-man. It was the minority viewpoint last season with the emergence of McDonagh, but now I think it's pretty obvious.

Was pretty much going to post this. This D has looked ugly without him. The Rangers have a good D-core individually but it seems like when one of the top-4 go down and someone else has a bad game or stretch, everything falls apart.

 

[16 To Stanley*]

I asked about the value of Derek Stepan in the trade forum, but from this post, it doesn't appear the Hawks/Rags make a good trade partners. The Hawks would probably make Bolland available for Stepan, but that's probably not nearly enough...

You want Stepan, the convo starts with your top players, Toews, Kane, etc. He's that important to us. Easily our best forward behind Nash this season. He's 22 years old and is a very good 2nd line center. He will put up 70-80 points in this league in his 20's. Only real issue i have with him is he looks to pass all the time rather than shoot. Hard worker, good locker room guy, great vision, great hockey IQ, kid is going to be a Ranger for a long time unless someone stupidly overpays.

LOL @ Bolland

As to no megadeal, I remember Park + Ratelle for Espo + Vadnais. A deal that should NOT have been done. If that deal could get done, so can this one.

Not even going to read the rest of your posts, but if you have to go back to the 70's to prove your point, odds are, it's not going to happen.

Seriously, you think that's why he's still sidelined? There was no structural damage to his eye. If it were as simple as letting the swelling subside he would have been back a couple of weeks ago. He took a puck to the head, I can almost guarantee you he's suffering from concussion symptoms again...

Are you a Dr? The guy took a puck to the eyelid. I'd probably be out of commission for months. While these players play through injuries that the average human can't dream of, they are still human.

We haven't had one update on him outside of his brother giving us hints. For all we know, he still can't see out of that eye. Has anyone on this board seen his face even? I saw him at the garden, but they angled it so you couldn't see anything.