Rumor: Trade Rumours Thread XIV: Rangers gauging interest on Callahan/Girardi

[Tawnos]

I am not at all worried about giving Callahan 6 million right now. When healthy, he is a consistent force on the ice. It's 3+ years down the road where I start to worry. He will get 7 years. That's a lot of question marks for an undersized physical player. It just is.

I think this is part of the picture that Dreger and McKenzie don't really know. Is Callahan looking for a deal with a $6m cap hit for 7 years or a deal that will pay him $6m for the next few? If it's a $6m cap hit for 7 years, that likely means he's asking for $7m+ in the first couple of years of the deal. That is too much for the player. If that's not what he's asking for, then we are probably looking at a long-term contract closer to $5-5.5m.

 

[NYR Viper]

A question I'm wondering is if Cally gets traded, Richards gets bought out and there aren't many significant moves made, who wears the C next year?

There are options. Nash, Staal, Girardi (If he is re-signed), McDonagh, Stepan.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think this is part of the picture that Dreger and McKenzie don't really know. Is Callahan looking for a deal with a $6m cap hit for 7 years or a deal that will pay him $6m for the next few? If it's a $6m cap hit for 7 years, that likely means he's asking for $7m+ in the first couple of years of the deal. That is too much for the player. If that's not what he's asking for, then we are probably looking at a long-term contract closer to $5-5.5m.

I would be surprised if Callahan took less money overall than Dustin Brown. Someone will overpay him by a lot if he reaches July 1st.

 

[eco's bones]

I'm a fan of McIlrath's but he doesn't appear ready at this point in time. Maybe he makes the team out of training camp next year but I have some doubt. Allen IMO is closer at this point in time than he is.

Personally signing Girardi to 6-7 years for $5.5 is fine with me. Signing Stralman to $3-3.5 for 4 years as well. Rangers D will be set going into next year then. If we can pick up a good pmd that would be great too.

Cap's going up and the Rangers should buy out Richards. There should be the $'s needed to do this and sign the rest.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

There are options. Nash, Staal, Girardi (If he is re-signed), McDonagh, Stepan.

I like the guy but the C on Nash would be a brutal culture change. If Staal was locked up I would give it to him. Not sure if it's McDonagh's time yet but he would be a legit contender.

 

[KingEriksson]

Keep Cally!!!

 

[Tawnos]

It's been really interesting to me how teams seem to be basing everything on % of cap (and % of future cap) vs the traditional model of using comparable players/deals as a base.

It makes sense given the growth the NHL is projecting. It's the right way to do it. But it's interesting how the landscape is changing so quickly. And how different people perceive the financial picture differently. "6M is the new 5M" if the cap goes to 77M which it should after one season of Girardi/Callahan's new deals.

I would say that the influence of the NHLPA and agents are strongly at work there. When negotiating a deal, an agent can rightly point out that the Cap is higher, so his client should get more money. In order to find common ground and make sense of it, the teams start looking at percentages. I know you're referring to actual salary when your talking about traditional models, but I think comparable players and deals are still used as the base... they're just viewed as what % of the cap they were when the comparable player signed.

 

[surf]

The numbers being talked about are scary how can DG be worth 6m over 6 years?? Do not pay him that please

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm a fan of McIlrath's but he doesn't appear ready at this point in time. Maybe he makes the team out of training camp next year but I have some doubt. Allen IMO is closer at this point in time than he is.

Personally signing Girardi to 6-7 years for $5.5 is fine with me. Signing Stralman to $3-3.5 for 4 years as well. Rangers D will be set going into next year then. If we can pick up a good pmd that would be great too.

Cap's going up and the Rangers should buy out Richards. There should be the $'s needed to do this and sign the rest.

Whichever player it is will be a downgrade but those would be the options unless they want to play Falk regularly.

 

[Vitto79]

Yeah anyone with delusions of McIlrath being ready to step into a top four role come October is out to lunch. We may never see him do more than be a called up 6th/7th D for all we know at this point.

I will bet you he starts next yr on the 3rd pair. They need a tough Dman. Stralman is gone as a UFA. Resign Girardi and then Klein takes over top 4 minutes which he did all the time in NSH

 

[NYR Viper]

The numbers being talked about are scary how can DG be worth 6m over 6 years?? Do not pay him that please

I agree, if Girardi can stay below 5.5 that's good. 6 is pushing it.

If I were Sather I would keep negotiating and just see what sort of packages they could return. See if even at 5.5 million, the Rangers may be able to bring back a premium that makes it worth it anyways.

 

[Tawnos]

I would be surprised if Callahan took less money overall than Dustin Brown. Someone will overpay him by a lot if he reaches July 1st.

Me too. I was just saying that there's a nuance that these "leaks" or rumors didn't address. Dustin Brown makes $7m+ for the first three years of his deal. That's too much for the Rangers to spend on Callahan, in my opinion.

 

[Bullseyes]

I'm sorry, were we talking about Derek Jeter, who was a key player on five championships and an all-time great at one of the most important positions on his team? That guy I'm comfortable overpaying out of loyalty as he declines, especially since there's no hard cap in the league he plays in.

But I thought we were we talking about a guy who is currently a 3rd line RW, who's claim to fame is that he was part of a core that lost an ECF, that will surely break down (check that, is already breaking down) and who is looking for one of those Drury/Gomez/Redden contracts you mentioned. That guy, on a team that needs several key pieces (3rd line RW not being one of them) to compete for a cup, is someone I am ABSOLUTELY okay with trading.

Callahan isn't a 3rd liner. He's easily a 2nd liner.

That being said, I agree with a lot of what you said. What exactly has Callahan done? I feel like I'm missing something with the way people talk about him. He's been poor in the playoffs, hasn't been the one to carry the Rangers (Lundqvist), the team hasn't won anything anyway, etc.

A stl fan on the rumors board offered Stewart , prospect, 3rd round from stl . If nyr really got that offer for Cally they take it

I'd stay away from Stewart.

 

[NYR Viper]

Me too. I was just saying that there's a nuance that these "leaks" or rumors didn't address. Dustin Brown makes $7m+ for the first three years of his deal. That's too much for the Rangers to spend on Callahan, in my opinion.

I agree.

I wonder what teams would make the hardest push for both players.

Girardi:
Anaheim
Colorado
Detroit (if they are buyers)
Toronto
Boston

Callahan:
Chicago
St Louis
Columbus
Phoenix
LA


I would hope for a A-level forward prospect + B-level D prospect + 1st for each.

For example:

Etem/Rakell/Noesen + Theodore + Ana 1st '14

or

Hartman + Clendening + CHI 1st '14

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The numbers being talked about are scary how can DG be worth 6m over 6 years?? Do not pay him that please

Lets get one thing straight. I don't think either player is worth 6+ years and $6M per. But if I had to choose one (and I dont think the Rangers get rid of both), I think Girardi is the more logical choice. Each season, I think right handed defensemen playing the right side are a more valuable commodity in the NHL, but thats beside the point.

When I look at this situation, it comes down to 2 major things - durability and value at this trade deadline.

Callahan is already a bit brittle and will only become moreso into his 30's. Girardi is just about as durable as they come, which eases the risk of a longer term investment.

I also think a contender will be willing to pay through the nose for Callahan in March as that final piece of the puzzle.

 

[NYR Viper]

Callahan isn't a 3rd liner. He's easily a 2nd liner.

That being said, I agree with a lot of what you said. What exactly has Callahan done? I feel like I'm missing something with the way people talk about him. He's been poor in the playoffs, hasn't been the one to carry the Rangers (Lundqvist), the team hasn't won anything anyway, etc.



I'd stay away from Stewart.

As would I. No way do I take back a player as old as Stewart unless it is as a pure dump with no added value expected from the buyer.

 

[offdacrossbar]

A question I'm wondering is if Cally gets traded, Richards gets bought out and there aren't many significant moves made, who wears the C next year?

Staal

 

[Levitate]

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these leaks about the Rangers gauging interest are also to put some pressure on the players and their agents, seems like a Sather move.

I think the Rangers can ill-afford to lose Girardi compared to Callahan. While they don't have a player just like Callahan in Hartford, they do have many young forwards looking to make the jump soon and who are playing well. Callahan isn't a top line player and he does a lot of his scoring on special teams. It might be a short term downgrade but replacing him with someone like Fast or Kristo or Miller could be greatly advantageous in the future.

On the other hand, lose Girardi and we're looking at Stralman or Klein playing top pairing minutes on a consistent basis and that makes me a bit nervous. I like Stralman a lot but I worry he'd struggle some if he was bumped up. However, maybe fancy stats could prove me wrong, I'm not sure what his quality of competition is VS what Girardi plays.

e: and yeah, Callahan already spends a ton of time on IR or playing injured, giving him a contract into his late 30's is really really risky. I can easily see him breaking down hard in as little as 2 years

 

[EpicDing]

Callahan isn't a 3rd liner. He's easily a 2nd liner.

That being said, I agree with a lot of what you said. What exactly has Callahan done? I feel like I'm missing something with the way people talk about him. He's been poor in the playoffs, hasn't been the one to carry the Rangers (Lundqvist), the team hasn't won anything anyway, etc.



I'd stay away from Stewart.

You know what Callahan has done? He's played night in and night out for this team since he came into the league. He's our ****ing captain. We knew from the start he's not the kind of player who can put the team on his back, but he can be a sparkplug with his physical and defensive play. He's the kind of guy we need more of, not less. Granted we may be able to go with a cheaper alternative, but to say Callahan hasn't done anything for this team is a load of ****.

I'm not saying we should overpay him, but people on this board are too quick to pawn him off.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

A question I'm wondering is if Cally gets traded, Richards gets bought out and there aren't many significant moves made, who wears the C next year?

I honestly don't think both of those will happen. We need to find a way to stay under the cap and not handcuff ourselves with crazy contracts. If Cally gets traded and we buy out Richards then we better be getting a top 6 forward and C in return.

If Stepan and Brass were playing like they were last season I would be more comfortable letting Richards go, but at this point who is there to snag? Statsny? For most likely a huge sum of money? I don't know, letting Cally or Girardi walk and then hitting the free agent market and overpaying someone else just doesn't make sense. The only way i would be ok with trading either player is for a younger player with higher ceiling who could fill some of these holes as soon as next season. Or else we will be throwing out money to these free agents to fill these voids like the Devils did.

 

[NYR Viper]

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these leaks about the Rangers gauging interest are also to put some pressure on the players and their agents, seems like a Sather move.

I think the Rangers can ill-afford to lose Girardi compared to Callahan. While they don't have a player just like Callahan in Hartford, they do have many young forwards looking to make the jump soon and who are playing well. Callahan isn't a top line player and he does a lot of his scoring on special teams. It might be a short term downgrade but replacing him with someone like Fast or Kristo or Miller could be greatly advantageous in the future.

On the other hand, lose Girardi and we're looking at Stralman or Klein playing top pairing minutes on a consistent basis and that makes me a bit nervous. I like Stralman a lot but I worry he'd struggle some if he was bumped up. However, maybe fancy stats could prove me wrong, I'm not sure what his quality of competition is VS what Girardi plays.

e: and yeah, Callahan already spends a ton of time on IR or playing injured, giving him a contract into his late 30's is really really risky. I can easily see him breaking down hard in as little as 2 years

I actually think Klein would be the guy to replace Girardi. He doesn't get PP time, so you can keep his minutes down that way.

I think it will be a step back if they lose both, but it won't be as bad as many here believe it will be.

However, if they lose Girardi, they have to make sure they can re-sign Stralman.

 

[Levitate]

You know what Callahan has done? He's played night in and night out for this team since he came into the league. He's our ****ing captain. We knew from the start he's not the kind of player who can put the team on his back, but he can be a sparkplug with his physical and defensive play. He's the kind of guy we need more of, not less. Granted we may be able to go with a cheaper alternative, but to say Callahan hasn't done anything for this team is a load of ****.

I'm not saying we should overpay him, but people on this board are too quick to pawn him off.

Yah, advocating against signing Callahan to a big contract doesn't mean I don't think he's done good things for this team and hasn't been a good player for the Rangers, it's just looking ahead and cringing at the thought of paying big money to a guy who gets hurt a lot because of his style of play. Nothing at all against Callahan personally or what he's done for the Rangers

 

[Don Chytil]

Dustin Brown should be the cautionary tale for people who want Callahan to resign. Kings gave him 8 years, 5.875m and he's on pace for 25 points this year. I get that both of these players bring more to the table than just points, but neither of them have more than 4-5 years MAX left with the way they play the game. Trade him now while he has a good amount of value before it becomes another "Captain Intangibles" situation.

 

[EpicDing]

Yah, advocating against signing Callahan to a big contract doesn't mean I don't think he's done good things for this team and hasn't been a good player for the Rangers, it's just looking ahead and cringing at the thought of paying big money to a guy who gets hurt a lot because of his style of play. Nothing at all against Callahan personally or what he's done for the Rangers

I understand that, just targeting the person that said he's done nothing for this team.

 

[NYR Viper]

Dustin Brown should be the cautionary tale for people who want Callahan to resign. Kings gave him 8 years, 5.875m and he's on pace for 25 points this year. I get that both of these players bring more to the table than just points, but neither of them have more than 4-5 years MAX left with the way they play the game. Trade him now while he has a good amount of value before it becomes another "Captain Intangibles" situation.

David Clarkson is another cautionary tale. He plays a physical brand of hockey, except he is much larger than Callahan, scores his points on the PP mainly, 8 points in 36 games. 5.25 million/season for 7 years.