I think they speak in terms of cap hits, not specifically what they will make in the initial years of a long term contract. These guys speak in soundbytes, so they want to get the point across as simple as possible.
Rumor: Trade Rumours Thread XIV: Rangers gauging interest on Callahan/Girardi
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I think they speak in terms of cap hits, not specifically what they will make in the initial years of a long term contract. These guys speak in soundbytes, so they want to get the point across as simple as possible.
In my opinion, neither Girardi nor Callahan are going to get better than they already are. They may have 3 to 4 years of bringing to the table what they do now. After that, it's down hill. Any GM who pays Callahan a substantial sum for more than 3 years is off his rocker. Callahan is so highly regarded because he plays hard, but he can't continue to play like a 215 pounder for the next 7 years. His body won't make it. Girardi is steady, but I'm not feeling 7 years there either.
Yeah I was just trying to agree with what you're saying
Ah ok then, thought you thought I was attacking what you thought. No harm then
Bullseyes
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I never said he's done nothing, I just don't see what he's to be in held in such high regard. People act like he's lead the Rangers to such great places and that because he's the captain and Callahan that he deserves whatever contract they can get him at. I'd get that if he was as good as and had the team accomplishments that Crosby does or even did what Bergeron has done for the Bruins or done what Toews has done, but he's done none of those things. He's a good player who puts in a lot of effort, but he's not a player I'd overpay to keep.
Wouldn't be surprised if the team ended up re-signing Girardi, and then dealing Callahan and Stralman at the deadline.
However, I think the Rangers will ultimately cave and give them the money they want. I don't believe for a second that Sather has the foresight to see that this isn't a true cup contender.
However, I think the Rangers will ultimately cave and give them the money they want. I don't believe for a second that Sather has the foresight to see that this isn't a true cup contender.
Agreed.
Also doubt he has the work ethic involved in all that'd go into NOT signing these guys to huge deals.
I hold him in high regard because of his night in night out physical heart and soul play. Even when the team was slumping in years past he continued to try and spark them, just as a captain should. To say you don't understand why he's held in high regard is tantamount to saying you don't know what he's done for the team imo. What you're trying to tell me is that you recognize these qualities and think they're meaningless?
I never said that we should sign him to whatever we can get him at. I said right in my post that we still shouldn't overpay him. I just feel like the team should try to negotiate more before trying to trade him.
He wants 7 years, 6mil +. That's obviously the starting point in the negotiation which means there is room to maneuver. So we're probably looking at no less than 5.5mil or 5.8mil? If he comes down on the term, it goes up over 6mil, possibly up to 6.5mil? That's for a guy who is currently third on our RW depth chart.
funny is that i traded Girardi to the Ducks in a deal for Etem, Lindholm and Noesen..
one player on the Hawks that they should look at is Nordstrom... cant have enough center depth.. imagine a swede line of Hagelin Norstrom and Fast
i bet Norstrom along with Hartman would be one of those prospects available.. id love Andrew Shaw but no way Hawks trade him unless overpayment...
NYR Viper
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He's not as good as any of those players. Even if we had won a Cup or two he is not worth 7 years at $6m +. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want him back. Four years at his current cap hit and I think most Rangers fans would sign up.
In a cap world, you are forced to look at a player differently. You have to seperate emotions. The fct is 2nd/third line wingers who score 20-25 goals, are not particularly effective with the puck, and are 30 years old are replaceable.
Crease
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The cap forces you to make tough decisions. I'd love Callahan back but not at the price he's going to be able to command on the UFA market. If he's willing to take a discount, great. If not, spend that money more efficiently. Of course, Sather is not guaranteed to do that either.
Next week should be interesting. If Sather waits to make a trade until after the Olympic break, teams might start lowering their proposals. The closer we get to the deadline the more Sather's back is against the wall knowing he might not get anything in return.
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Tawnos
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Callahan is going to be a beast during the olympics and hopefully he'll come out in one piece. Maybe that will bring an offer we can't refuse and will settle the issue.
NYR Viper
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Yep. He is a skilled center, not sure if the Rangers like him or not. Clendening has to be a part of any deal. McNeil, Hartman, Clendening, Pirri, Morin, Hayes (even though I don't like him, others are high on him). They have good pieces.
Same with Anaheim. Etem, Rakell, Theodore, Noesen, Gibson.
Same with Phoenix. Samuelsson, Domi, Gormley, Murphy, Rieder
Same with the Lightning. Namestnikov, Nesterov, Koekoek, Kucherov, Panik, Erne, Vasilevskiy
NYR Viper
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He can't, and that isn't in any way a knock on McIlrath. He may be able to fill a spot in the NHL full time next year, but there's no way he's going to be able to play top pair minutes against the league's best players.
Fitzy
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Frankly, signing Girardi and dealing Callahan for a package wouldn't be an enormous step back from the way the team is currently playing.
Tawnos
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I'd like to see a center prospect come back as the centerpiece of these potential deals, personally... would let us make a more rational decision regarding Brassard.
NYR Viper
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Exactly my feeling on this as well. He is an important piece but not worth 6+ million of the cap
Thirty One
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I can't imagine the Rangers trading Callahan and getting strictly or even mostly prospects/picks back. The Rangers are in a good spot.
IMO, they should look to get a cost-controlled forward who can replace his ES production and a high pick/prospect. Someone like Jannik Hansen, P.A. Parenteau or Kris Versteeg.
IMO, they should look to get a cost-controlled forward who can replace his ES production and a high pick/prospect. Someone like Jannik Hansen, P.A. Parenteau or Kris Versteeg.
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