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Little Fury

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Yes, it probably is. And I think we'd still get outbid by a team like Dallas.

I think you severely undervalue things like cap space and team control. It seems you just look at each player and see them at face value regardless of their contract, their behaviour, their recent perfomance or their fit on their team factoring in all of those things...and that just isn't how the trade market works in the NHL. Heiskanen is one of the premier prospects in the league today. For a well-known budget team, he probably holds a lot more value to them than two full cost NHLers.

So cap space and team control are important and Arizona wants cheap assets and not NHLer, that's why a trade for a two RFAs and a potentially high draft pick is unrealistic, but sending them Klefbom and RNH is not?
 

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I don't think Chia should be trusted with any trades involving former first overall picks anymore.

Why? He got a return on Yakupov and STL let him walk for nothing...and according to the Larsson/Hall thread, most feel we won that deal too. Chiarelli has his warts but tough to criticize those 2 deals.
 

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Chiarelli shouldn't be allowed to make any more major deals.

He's had three summers to put his stamp on the team and the team he's created is the lowest scoring team in the NHL with the benefit of Connor McDavid.

There's at least a 50-50 shot a monkey throwing darts at a rotating dart board could've done a better job, and I don't even kid.

How do you even end up with a low scoring team while having McDavid and Drasiaitl gifted to you to start with?
 

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Why? He got a return on Yakupov and STL let him walk for nothing...and according to the Larsson/Hall thread, most feel we won that deal too. Chiarelli has his warts but tough to criticize those 2 deals.

Yakupov was the only one he gets a pass on. The Hall trade was an absolute rout for New Jersey, I'll go to my grave knowing that is true.
 
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Why? He got a return on Yakupov and STL let him walk for nothing...and according to the Larsson/Hall thread, most feel we won that deal too. Chiarelli has his warts but tough to criticize those 2 deals.

He does decently on small deals, taking flyers on FAs at times that turn out decently enough.. but tends to get torched on bigger deals. He has been schooled by one GM alone on Long Island a number of times, and that's predating his time here. I still get ticked off thinking about the damn Reinhart deal (which unlike many here, I think falls squarely on his shoulders, not on the suppositions that it was influenced by the previous regime. He was GM, he had the prerogative to make the call or pass -- and he completely, utterly shat the bed on it. What. A. Moron.)
 

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Chiarelli shouldn't be allowed to make any more major deals.

He's had three summers to put his stamp on the team and the team he's created is the lowest scoring team in the NHL with the benefit of Connor McDavid.

There's at least a 50-50 shot a monkey throwing darts at a rotating dart board could've done a better job, and I don't even kid.

How do you even end up with a low scoring team while having McDavid and Drasiaitl gifted to you to start with?
Because we had the worst defense and worst goaltending in the league when he arrived?
 
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PC in taking the the Jackets/Sabres game tonight.

Watching Kane? Kane is a LW and I'm not sure that is where we need help.....
 

Faelko

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He does decently on small deals, taking flyers on FAs at times that turn out decently enough.. but tends to get torched on bigger deals. He has been schooled by one GM alone on Long Island a number of times, and that's predating his time here. I still get ticked off thinking about the damn Reinhart deal (which unlike many here, I think falls squarely on his shoulders, not on the suppositions that it was influenced by the previous regime. He was GM, he had the prerogative to make the call or pass -- and he completely, utterly shat the bed on it. What. A. Moron.)

There’s no one alive that would attempt to defend that Reinhart trade, just horrendous.

I understood the Eberle trade IF he would’ve used the cap savings to replace him but he didn’t so that’s a fail as well.
 

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Because we had the worst defense and worst goaltending in the league when he arrived?

Yes and? This is like hiring someone to repair your house and returning three months later to see that he's bulldozed your living room to be able to build a bedroom ... but you have no living room now. Great.

As a managerial feat of incompetence being able to build a team with Connor McDavid (on pace for 40+ goals and 103 points) on it and still be flirting with being the lowest scoring team in the league is right up there with anything Lowe/Mac T/Tambellini pulled off too.

For sheer incompetence it's impressive actually. I don't even say that as a joke, I'm amazed that this is even possible, lol.

It's like a parent who should be mad at their child for doing something egregiously terrible, you are mad, but you also simultaneously amazed they could pull something like that off, lmao.
 

Faelko

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Yakupov was the only one he gets a pass on. The Hall trade was an absolute rout for New Jersey, I'll go to my grave knowing that is true.

I still make the Larsson-Hall trade but I respect that almost half This board wouldn’t so I’ll drop it.

Regardless, he’s 1-1 on dealing 1OA, let’s hope he doesn’t try moving a third anytime soon.
 

Little Fury

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Yes and? This is like hiring someone to repair your house and returning three months later to see that he's bulldozed your living room to be able to build a bedroom ... but you have no living room now. Great.

As a managerial feat of incompetence being able to build a team with Connor McDavid (on pace for 40+ goals and 103 points) on it and still be flirting with being the lowest scoring team in the league is right up there with anything Lowe/Mac T/Tambellini pulled off too.

For sheer incompetence it's impressive actually.

Scum bag Pete: trades away 16th and 33rd picks and Taylor Hall to fix the defense.

DOESN'T FIX DEFENSE.
 

Little Fury

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I still make the Larsson-Hall trade but I respect that almost half This board wouldn’t so I’ll drop it.

Regardless, he’s 1-1 on dealing 1OA, let’s hope he doesn’t try moving a third anytime soon.

I should have said top 5 picks because he's 1-4 there.
 

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So cap space and team control are important and Arizona wants cheap assets and not NHLer, that's why a trade for a two RFAs and a potentially high draft pick is unrealistic, but sending them Klefbom and RNH is not?
I'm assuming you're talking about Nurse and JP? Because as I've noted to Soundwave, there's a significant reason why I don't do that deal. That being said, Dallas still has the pieces and the desire to blow that offer out of the water.

Simply put, if we're going all in on OEL, you'd better be prepared to pay him like Draisaitl.
 

oXo Cube

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I don't know who we would realistically be targeting from the CBJ defense, to be honest.

We need a defender that can produce offensively and I'm pretty sure they aren't trading Jones or Werenski.
 

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PC in taking the the Jackets/Sabres game tonight.

Watching Kane? Kane is a LW and I'm not sure that is where we need help.....

I wonder if it really would be Columbus -- they don't seem like ideal partners for a trade:
  • They are looking for C help. Nuge, the most likely candidate, is on pace for a 60+ pt. season, on a team that is struggling mightily to produce any semblance of offence.
  • They are allegedly offering up D in trade. Sekera is coming back relatively soon. I don't personally think the D core is the issue -- it's the coverage. That is a performance issue, not a personnel issue.
  • Cap is alleged to be going up, which wouldn't necessitate a trade of Nuge for the cost savings. Draisaitl, to me, still has not proven he can carry a line on his own.
If he is scouting anyone I'd think it's more likely it's someone off Buffalo, given all of the above. However, what would Buffalo have to give up that would have any appeal?
 

Soundwave

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I mean it only makes sense.

It's the price of doing business in this league.

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Soundwave

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Also if he's now looking for D at this point, I love the "lets wait until Sekera is almost back until doing something on D" approach. Wonderful Chia. You're a genius.
 

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CBJ with depth on D. Wonder if Edmonton looking there or not...
We traded Hall, a 1st, and a 2nd, and signed Kris Russell to a massive deal and we still need D. How can anyone look at this situation and not think that Chia has been an absolute failure in every sense of the word? The funny thing is, our forward depth is piss-poor too.

My guess is RNH for Ryan Murray, followed by Klefbom being traded for pennies on the dollar. This moron is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode and squander every remaining asset this organization has.
 
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