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[CupofOil]

You think TO is offering Marner AND Nylander for OEL? I doubt that.

What I'm saying is Oil could offer up a variation of the following:

Nurse
JP
2018 1st (looking like this pick has a good shot at top 3 overall - it has a lot of value right now)
RNH
Drai (only in 1 for 1)
Klefbom
Larsson
Yamma

Build a deal centered around 1 or 2 of those pieces and and I bet TO can't beat it, unless of course they go full idiot and offer Nylander AND Marner.

I'm pretty sure he meant Nylander OR Marner and not even Chia is dumb enough to trade Draisaitl for a year and a half of OEL.

If the Leafs somehow do offer Nylander or Marner, the Oilers are out of the OEL sweepstakes.

In any event, I think Arizona would be looking for a Dman in return so I'd assume that Klefbom++ would be the ask and I don't know, seems a tad risky to me especially with OEL's contract status and slumping play of the last two seasons. Might be worth a shot though.

 

[belair]

That's still a major overpay by the Oilers for an impending UFA. You could probably do it with one of Klef or Nuge and a first round pick if he signs.

He has an extra year. We'd re-up him this summer or start a bidding war next year if he doesn't want to sign, which is unlikely. I still think Dallas is the team with the pieces to get it done though.

 

[Little Fury]

You think TO is offering Marner AND Nylander for OEL? I doubt that.

No, just one of them

What I'm saying is Oil could offer up a variation of the following:

Nurse
JP
2018 1st (looking like this pick has a good shot at top 3 overall - it has a lot of value right now)
RNH
Drai (only in 1 for 1)
Klefbom
Larsson
Yamma


Build a deal centered around 1 or 2 of those pieces and and I bet TO can't beat it, unless of course they go full idiot and offer Nylander AND Marner

One a one-for one basis the only thing the Oilers have that could beat one of Nylander or Marner is Draisaitl and there's no way they move him. So yeah, it would have to be a package from our end, which greatly increases the probability of it being an overpay. I'd do JP or Yamo and Nurse and a conditional first if need be, but that makes an already awful wing depth situation here that much worse, plus we'd need to dump salary elsewhere to accommodate the $7-8M OEL will need.

Man I wish he was dumb enough to take Lucic.

 

[belair]

It's called missed opportunity. And it would never get discussed after someone is fired.

A lot of GMs simply don't trade gamebreaking players within their division. It's the same reason Darnell Nurse isn't a Canuck and Corey Schneider an Oiler.

 

[Little Fury]

He has an extra year. We'd re-up him this summer or start a bidding war next year if he doesn't want to sign, which is unlikely. I still think Dallas is the team with the pieces to get it done though.

If he doesn't sign here and decides he wants to test the UFA waters, there's no way we'd get anything close to the value of assets back that we used to get him in the first place. Paying a price like Klef and RNH for a year and a half of a guy is just awful asset management.

 

[belair]

If he doesn't sign here and decides he wants to test the UFA waters, there's no way we'd get anything close to the value of assets back that we used to get him in the first place. Paying a price like Klef and RNH for a year and a half of a guy is just awful asset management.

That's the risk you run of trading for guys with no term on their deals. Mind you if OEL were signed to that cap number with significant term, the cost would be astronomical.

 

[Little Fury]

That's the risk you run of trading for guys with no term on their deals. Mind you if OEL were signed to that cap number with significant term, the cost would be astronomical.

It's a bad risk for a team that's already lost value on so many assets. That's why I don't think it would take as much as you say to do it.

 

[belair]

It's a bad risk for a team that's already lost value on so many assets. That's why I don't think it would take as much as you say to do it.

What? Why would John Chayka gift a #1D to a divisional rival? Literally every team in the league is going to bid on this player. When Dallas pops in offering up Miro Heiskanen++ we don't have a chance in hell anyways.

 

[Little Fury]

What? Why would John Chayka gift a #1D to a divisional rival? Literally every team in the league is going to bid on this player. When Dallas pops in offering up Miro Heiskanen++ we don't have a chance in hell anyways.

So a conference rival gets him for a prospect and picks but we'd have to part with a top pairing (at least top 4) D and a top 6 (likely #1 in Arzona) C. That's a helluva premium. I'm not sure it's that extreme.

 

[Epoh]

We need to sell high on RNH. I can't remember the last time the Oilers traded a player at high value when the player wasn't asking for a trade or clearly not going to re-sign... Drai is clearly our 2C of the future and keeping RNH provides important flexibility, but if we can get a Panarin or star winger that can snipe in exchange I would do it to slide Drai down to 2C.

Everybody loves RNH now that he's shown he can be what everyone has been patiently waiting for but I think this summer we should move him to get the return we all know the Oilers need. If you think you can sign someone in the summer and fit it under the cap than great but as it stands I still see selling on RNH at a premium being a genuinely smart move.

 

[Little Fury]

We need to sell high on RNH. I can't remember the last time the Oilers traded a player at high value when the player wasn't asking for a trade or clearly not going to re-sign... Drai is clearly our 2C of the future and keeping RNH provides important flexibility, but if we can get a Panarin or star winger that can snipe in exchange I would do it to slide Drai down to 2C.

Everybody loves RNH now that he's shown he can be what everyone has been patiently waiting for but I think this summer we should move him.

Panarin is two years older and make as much as RNH. He also has half as many goals this year as Nuge who is on pace for 32 goals this year.

Trading a valuable centre for a winger like Panarin a year after dumping a guy with a similar goal scoring ability for absolutely nothing would be Very Oilers.

 

[Epoh]

Panarin is two years older and make as much as RNH. He also has half as many goals this year as Nuge who is on pace for 32 goals this year.

Trading a valuable centre for a winger like Panarin a year after dumping a guy with a similar goal scoring ability for absolutely nothing would be Very Oilers.

Fair enough, I'm not convinced Panarin should be the player we chase he's just been mentioned lots on here. I would rather someone in the James Neal vein that RNH could bring in return that wasn't a rental. Teams need a solid 1-2C and would part with a scoring winger to do it, especially when they can kill penalties and are solid on faceoffs

 

[Little Fury]

Fair enough, I'm not convinced Panarin should be the player we chase he's just been mentioned lots on here. I would rather someone in the James Neal vein that RNH could bring in return that wasn't a rental. Teams need a solid 1-2C and would part with a scoring winger to do it, especially when they can kill penalties and are solid on faceoffs

I don't think Chia should be trusted with any trades involving former first overall picks anymore.

 

[Epoh]

I don't think Chia should be trusted with any trades involving former first overall picks anymore.

Do you really believe that anyone would actually stop Chiarelli from moving him if he had a trade lined up? Ppl wanting him fired are foolish to think he's on a short leash, he's not going anywhere unless this gets ALOT worse

 

[McShogun99]

So a conference rival gets him for a prospect and picks but we'd have to part with a top pairing (at least top 4) D and a top 6 (likely #1 in Arzona) C. That's a helluva premium. I'm not sure it's that extreme.

That prospect is a recent 3rd overall pick. High draft picks hold high value this close to being drafted due to the mystery of how good they’ll be in the NHL. Plus for some reason Chayka has an hfboards like obsession with prospects.

 

[Soundwave]

I offer

Nurse or Klefbom (their choice)
Puljujarvi
Strome

for

OEL

If Toronto offers Marner or Nylander you tell Arizona to take it. Not putting Draisaitl on the table, that's just stupid and shooting yourself in the foot ensuring you are going to be the worst offensive team in the league for the next 3-4 years. You are a damn fool if you think you can rely on RNH to produce like this every year consistently too. He could very easily go back to 40-point RNH next year and then you're completely hooped.

 

[Little Fury]

Do you really believe that anyone would actually stop Chiarelli from moving him if he had a trade lined up? Ppl wanting him fired are foolish to think he's on a short leash, he's not going anywhere unless this gets ALOT worse

They won't but they should. He's lost every single one of those big deals.

 

[Little Fury]

That prospect is a recent 3rd overall pick. High draft picks hold high value this close to being drafted due to the mystery of how good they’ll be in the NHL. Plus for some reason Chayka has an hfboards like obsession with prospects.

I think JP+Nurse+conditional 1st would beat that.

 

[Soundwave]

I actually don't think Chia has authority to deal McDavid (definitely not) or Draisaitl. It would have to be cleared by Nicholson who have to clear it with Katz.

Not happening.

 

[belair]

So a conference rival gets him for a prospect and picks but we'd have to part with a top pairing (at least top 4) D and a top 6 (likely #1 in Arzona) C. That's a helluva premium. I'm not sure it's that extreme.

Yes, it probably is. And I think we'd still get outbid by a team like Dallas.

I think you severely undervalue things like cap space and team control. It seems you just look at each player and see them at face value regardless of their contract, their behaviour, their recent perfomance or their fit on their team factoring in all of those things...and that just isn't how the trade market works in the NHL. Heiskanen is one of the premier prospects in the league today. For a well-known budget team, he probably holds a lot more value to them than two full cost NHLers. Each and every trade has reasoning behind it and an ultimate goal for both teams. It's not always about 'maximizing value'. Because if it was, no GM would ever trade elite defensemen because you can never replace them.

 

[oXo Cube]

I actually don't think Chia has authority to deal McDavid (definitely not) or Draisaitl. It would have to be cleared by Nicholson who have to clear it with Katz.

Not happening.

Absolutely this.

The business half of the organization can and would block any and all McDavid trades. It wouldn't matter if the return made sense from a hockey ops perspective, which I doubt is actually possible anyway.

 

[belair]

I offer

Nurse or Klefbom (their choice)
Puljujarvi
Strome

for

OEL

If Toronto offers Marner or Nylander you tell Arizona to take it. Not putting Draisaitl on the table, that's just stupid and shooting yourself in the foot ensuring you are going to be the worst offensive team in the league for the next 3-4 years. You are a damn fool if you think you can rely on RNH to produce like this every year consistently too. He could very easily go back to 40-point RNH next year and then you're completely hooped.

The problem with this deal is that it does nothing for us financially but opens several holes organizationally and we're lacking the assets to fill them. Unless you're happy with turning a guy like RNH into lesser pieces shortly after making this deal, I'm not sure it's worth doing.

It's actually quite similar to what Ottawa just offered up for Duchene, which I found excessive, except we're offering up current NHL depth.

 

[The Nuge]

I was thinking the same thing, either Fayne or one of the depth forwards.

The nice thing about trading Fayne is we don’t gain salary, so we can still make a deadline deal or two

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The nice thing about trading Fayne is we don’t gain salary, so we can still make a deadline deal or two

Oh I agree, but you need a willing participant is the only problem.

 

[A91]

James Neal is 21st in goals over the past 3 seasons ahead of guys like Carter, Saad, Hoffman, Kessel, Wheeler and on par with guys like Seguin, Atkinson, and Panarin.

Thats a guy we could use, also has an edge to his game which can bring motivation to a team with clear motivational problems (We dont show up for the first period... almost ever)

Trade: Strome + 2nd + prospect for Neal

Maroon - McDavid - Neal
Lucic - Draisaitl - Puljujarvi
Cammaleri - RNH - Slepyshev/Cagiula
Khaira/Cagiula - Letestu - Kassian

Sekera is almost back, no need to tinker with the Defence

Nurse - Sekera
Klefbom - Larsson (Let them earn it)
Russell - Benning
Gryba

Tabot (He will improve he always does)
LB

Really the only move needed is to bring in a scoring winger like Neal, Cammy was a good trade and Sekera will add much needed stability. Vegas clearly intended this season to be a rebuilding one based off their selections and trades (and media talks) it should'nt cost too much considering.