You think it's 3 to 2 that the Oilers make the playoffs now?
I think you would find a lot of people willing to take the other side of that bet.
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You think it's 3 to 2 that the Oilers make the playoffs now?
I think you would find a lot of people willing to take the other side of that bet.
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Actually you said it was impossible for them to miss the playoffs. I was wondering why you thought that. You still haven't provided an explanation.
All you have done here is move the goalposts.
Also...considering how much drastic change you have been proposing you actually have the team more likely than not to make the playoffs right now.
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Yes I do. Teams that have elite talent like McDavid and Draisaitl always is like a boxer that has a killer knock out punch. You can fight that fighter good for 95% of the fight and he can still knock you on your ass in a second.
Beyond that I'm not sold Vegas and Vancouver are as good as their record indicates, Calgary, Anaheim have not had great starts either.
But they have certainly turned something that should have been a virtual lock into an open question.
Here's the article that posted as the video instead for some weird reason...
MONTREAL— A tumultuous week for Canadiens forward Alex Galchenyuk added a new twist Thursday when certified NHLPA hockey agent Dan Milstein alleged that Montreal coach Claude Julien has a problem with Russian hockey players.
“Alex Galchenyuk isn’t a problem but coach is. Has never successfully coached Russian. Took midseason most-Russian club. All but one Russian gone,” said Milstein on Twitter.
The tweets have since been deleted.
Milstein was referring to the Canadiens summer departures of Alexei Emelin (to Vegas Golden Knights in the expansion draft), Mikhail Sergachev (via trade with the Tampa Bay Lightning), and Alex Radulov and Andrei Markov (via free agency).
When reached by phone Thursday afternoon, Milstein apologized for commenting on another agent’s player (Galchenyuk is represented by Pat Brisson), but stood by his claim Julien has difficulty with Russian players.
“These are my observations,” Milstein told Sportsnet. “I represent several Russian players, and I know Alex is not one of them and I’m out of line for commenting because I don’t represent him. But I’m just stating the facts.
“I have nothing but respect for [Canadiens general manager] Marc Bergevin. But it seems obvious the coach doesn’t like Russians.”
Milstein represents many Russian-born players including former Canadien Nikita Nesterov, Nikita Zaitsev, Pavel Datsyuk and Artemi Panarin.
Galchenyuk, the Canadiens first-round pick in the 2012 draft (third overall), is a native of Milwaukee, Wis. He is an American citizen of Belarussian descent. He has two goals and zero assists in nine games this season. Galchenyuk was among the top five scorers in the NHL last season through 25 games before suffering a knee injury against the Los Angeles Kings.
His inconsistent play since has been an ongoing topic of conversation in Montreal and was addressed by Bergevin on Wednesday.
“Yes [there is frustration] because you see the talent,” said Bergevin. “You see what he’s capable of doing, and again, I’m watching Alex and I hope what happened last night [scoring a goal against Florida and playing well] is the beginning. Sometimes I see a young player that’s looking for answers. He’s not coming to us. But he’s looking somewhere else for answers instead of taking it upon himself. When you stop and you talk to (him) about it, he understands. So he’s aware of it.
I’ve said it before, sometimes you think you’re working, but you might not be working as hard as you can. The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary. So you have to work and the result will become success.”
Earlier in the week, former Canadiens player and coach Mario Tremblay told a local radio station Galchenyuk had been to rehab twice and has “off-ice problems.”
On Wednesday Bergevin said he was not in a position to comment on the report given the confidential nature of the league’s substance abuse program.
“It’s strictly confidential,” he explained. “You could have one guy, 10 guys, I don’t know. It’s confidential. I can’t even talk about it. It’s strictly confidential. So I don’t have any comment to make on that.”
MONTREAL— A tumultuous week for Canadiens forward Alex Galchenyuk added a new twist Thursday when certified NHLPA hockey agent Dan Milstein alleged that Montreal coach Claude Julien has a problem with Russian hockey players.
“Alex Galchenyuk isn’t a problem but coach is. Has never successfully coached Russian. Took midseason most-Russian club. All but one Russian gone,” said Milstein on Twitter.
The tweets have since been deleted.
Milstein was referring to the Canadiens summer departures of Alexei Emelin (to Vegas Golden Knights in the expansion draft), Mikhail Sergachev (via trade with the Tampa Bay Lightning), and Alex Radulov and Andrei Markov (via free agency).
When reached by phone Thursday afternoon, Milstein apologized for commenting on another agent’s player (Galchenyuk is represented by Pat Brisson), but stood by his claim Julien has difficulty with Russian players.
“These are my observations,” Milstein told Sportsnet. “I represent several Russian players, and I know Alex is not one of them and I’m out of line for commenting because I don’t represent him. But I’m just stating the facts.
“I have nothing but respect for [Canadiens general manager] Marc Bergevin. But it seems obvious the coach doesn’t like Russians.”
Milstein represents many Russian-born players including former Canadien Nikita Nesterov, Nikita Zaitsev, Pavel Datsyuk and Artemi Panarin.
Galchenyuk, the Canadiens first-round pick in the 2012 draft (third overall), is a native of Milwaukee, Wis. He is an American citizen of Belarussian descent. He has two goals and zero assists in nine games this season. Galchenyuk was among the top five scorers in the NHL last season through 25 games before suffering a knee injury against the Los Angeles Kings.
His inconsistent play since has been an ongoing topic of conversation in Montreal and was addressed by Bergevin on Wednesday.
“Yes [there is frustration] because you see the talent,” said Bergevin. “You see what he’s capable of doing, and again, I’m watching Alex and I hope what happened last night [scoring a goal against Florida and playing well] is the beginning. Sometimes I see a young player that’s looking for answers. He’s not coming to us. But he’s looking somewhere else for answers instead of taking it upon himself. When you stop and you talk to (him) about it, he understands. So he’s aware of it.
I’ve said it before, sometimes you think you’re working, but you might not be working as hard as you can. The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary. So you have to work and the result will become success.”
Earlier in the week, former Canadiens player and coach Mario Tremblay told a local radio station Galchenyuk had been to rehab twice and has “off-ice problems.”
On Wednesday Bergevin said he was not in a position to comment on the report given the confidential nature of the league’s substance abuse program.
“It’s strictly confidential,” he explained. “You could have one guy, 10 guys, I don’t know. It’s confidential. I can’t even talk about it. It’s strictly confidential. So I don’t have any comment to make on that.”
You realize that a win gets two points no matter when it is earned in the season?
That's why the "puncher's chance" analogy doesn't work for making the playoffs. Better to keep that one in the tool belt for a seventh game scenario.
It works in the sense that teams with an elite player can just as easily go on a hot tear riding off such talent.
05-06 Oilers started 3-6-1 too ... they were no.1 in the division at Christmas. That's what a Chris Pronger does for you. Team's that have high end players can swing wildly like that.
If Vegas and Vancouver and San Jose are the teams they have to catch in 72 games ... then yes, I put it at 60-40.
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According to McLellan he says there is a chance that Yamamoto stays past 9 games. I really hope that chance is a small one. Love the player, he needs more time though.
They both need to go to the CHL if that's the thought process going on here.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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Rip the Band-Aid off and send him back. Nothing I've seen in his time here shows me that he's ready to be an NHLer full time.
He has a lot of skill and ability but just isn't quite ready. Next year he will be 100%
Its Todd after that trade he would go
Maroon - McDavid - Draisaitl
Lucic - Nuge - Grabner
Kreider - Letestu - Kassian
Cagguila - Khaira - Slepyshev.
Problem with this is you lose Maroon in the summer, so basically you've traded Puljujarvi effectively to replace Maroon's offence with Kreider. If they're willing to take Lucic at money retained and he's willing to go there, OK then there's a reason for us to do it because we can keep Maroon possibly AND have Kreider and that's an actual upgrade.
In terms of the core of the team I'm looking at this from a broader scope than just one year.
I look at things in a broader sense than that.
I have the bad feeling that Maroon is not willing to accept being low balled by Chia and Chia might be panicking knowing they could miss the playoffs this year and next year would be even worse because there's no money to replace that player.
Hence he's going to effectively replace Maroon by sacrificing Puljujarvi. The truth is Patrick should be getting paid $5 million/year for what he brings to the table and even that is probably on the lower end.
Hence he's going to effectively replace Maroon by sacrificing Puljujarvi. The truth is Patrick should be getting paid $5 million/year for what he brings to the table and even that is probably on the lower end.
...what. A player that has hit 42 points ONCE in his career at the age of 29 is worth a minimum of $5 million a year. Are you Chiarelli?
Can't wait for him to sign a $5million dollar contract and then you trying to run him out of town when he doesn't live up to it and then complain that the next cheaper guy who had one good season is worth more than he is.
He's on pace for 33 goals and 66 points this year.
We are likely looking at Caggiula as McDavid's LW next year if Maroon walks and that's going to be a real ugly downgrade. Maroon likely isn't stupid, he sees all the money Chia threw at McDavid/Draisaitl.
Who's this new player?
Maroon is everything we hope Lucic turned out to be at 3-3.5M
Yeah. His most common linemates had 58 and 35 more points than he did. A guy who spend almost the whole year with the 2 best players on the team and 2 of the top 10 point getters last year was 6th on the team in points behind those 2 as well as Eberle, Lucic and RNH.
If Maroon by some miracle keeps that pace than sure, you have a point. But he won't. He will end up in and around 40 points again. If you pay that player 5 million?...
Lucic had a rough season last year and had 8 more points. Maroon is not a $5 million dollar player not even close.
$3-$4 million sure.
It's no miracle, he simply plays well with those two guys.
He's the third best forward on this team and he knows it.
The only reason his point total was somewhat suppressed last year is Lucic got his 1st unit PP time for really doing nothing that Patty couldn't do just as well.
And this year it looks like he's even taken Lucic's spot on the 1st unit PP now.
Actually his point totals could go up with these new PP configs.
Lucic started last season with McDavid and played the entire season on the 1st PP. This year is not even close.
I'm sure Maroon will start the price at 5M. The Oilers will start theirs at 2.5M. Both parties meet in the middle around 3-3.5M
If salary was basically relative to what players actually bring to the Oilers aside from the d corps, salary should be this:
McDavid - 12
Draisaitl - 8
Talbot - 7
Maroon - 5
Lucic - 3.5
RNH - 3.75
Letestu - 2.8
Strome - 2
Kassian - 1.5
On the forward group. Maroon at 5 does what Lucic was supposed to do at 6.
McDavid - 12
Draisaitl - 8
Talbot - 7
Maroon - 5
Lucic - 3.5
RNH - 3.75
Letestu - 2.8
Strome - 2
Kassian - 1.5
On the forward group. Maroon at 5 does what Lucic was supposed to do at 6.
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If we sign Maroon to a $5 million contract that will be the worst contract we will have signed in a very long time. Even worse than the Lucic one.
I like Maroon a lot, I want him to stay. But if he is looking for $5mill? You let him walk.
Lets look at the players that make $4.75 - $5.25 mill a year that are forwards and their points last year.
Mike Hoffman 26-35-61
Brayden Schenn 25-30-55
Matt Moulson 14-18-32
James Neal 23-18-41 (only played 70 games)
Derick Brassard 14-25-39
Valterri Filppula 12-30-42
Nikita Kucherov 40-45-85
So there are 4 players on that list that had close to his points. Filppula, Brassard are centers and slightly overpaid. Moulson is defeinitely overpaid and Neal had 1 less point in 10 less games. Maroon is not worth $5 million. Period.
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