Proposal: Trade Rumours & Proposals Thread: Will we ever get another dman?

[Draiskull]

You would be looking at potentially paying 18-20 million when Mcdavid is finished his entry contract for two guys.

The cap will stay the same or go lower. You would have to trade RNH/Eberle get that 12 mil off the books and downgrade your forward group.

You essentially be the Pittsburgh Penguins give all the money for two forwards and have no balance in your lineup. If you take Malkin, Crosby, Letang, Fleury, Kessel - that's 37 million in 5 guys.

Chicago is a little better at 32-34 million when it comes to Seabrook, Crawford, Keith, Kane, Toews.

If you take that same contingent - 2-3 forwards +1-2 dman + goalie I think your risking it if your the Oilers

Hall (6m), Mcdavid/Stamkos+ Talbot+ +1 dman(hypothetically Nurse) your investing a lot for unproven guys.

umm i already did in the post you quoted

Purcell (Stamkos' buddy) @ 2M
Yak @ ~3.5M
Kassian @ 1.5M
Drai @ 6M


Hall-Drai-Purcell \ Stamkos-McD-Yak \ Pouliot-Kassian Forwards arent really downgrading
Hamonic,Klefa,Nurse,Sekera , (Yandle maybe)
Talbot\LB

 

[Giggli G]

I'm still not sure why we should give a fiddler's **** about Stamkos.

This is the absolute last team that should have any interest. Like, not even a phone call should take place.

Because getting a free asset like Stamkos puts us over the top? Suddenly you have a massive ability to trade away other forwards for D assets, etc.

Plus Stamkos scores goals.

 

[McJadeddog]

Because getting a free asset like Stamkos puts us over the top? Suddenly you have a massive ability to trade away other forwards for D assets, etc.

Plus Stamkos scores goals.

yeah thats all nice and everything, but there is still that little aspect of actually getting stamkos to sign here.... which, very clearly, isn't going to happen

i can't believe we're even talking about this and that i had to just type that down, lol... seriously people

 

[Draiskull]

yeah thats all nice and everything, but there is still that little aspect of actually getting stamkos to sign here.... which, very clearly, isn't going to happen

i can't believe we're even talking about this and that i had to just type that down, lol... seriously people

if we have the money then we are an option.. pretty simple when it comes to UFAs
who are testing free agency.

 

[Paralyzer008]

yeah thats all nice and everything, but there is still that little aspect of actually getting stamkos to sign here.... which, very clearly, isn't going to happen

i can't believe we're even talking about this and that i had to just type that down, lol... seriously people

So don't try?

The Tambellini method.

I mean, I've seen trade proposals that are beyond ludicrous that are much less believable as Stamkos seeing Edmonton as a destination.

Bob McKenzie even mentioned EDM in his piece about Stamkos.

 

[Jet Walters]

Because getting a free asset like Stamkos puts us over the top? Suddenly you have a massive ability to trade away other forwards for D assets, etc.

Plus Stamkos scores goals.

Yeah you find a way to make it work if he wants to come here. How many teams have a chance to add a former 60 goal man who is 26 years old for nothing but money?

Toronto media July 1st swarm Stamkos as he exits his hotel that morning.

"Steven, do you see yourself wearing blue for the next seven years?"

"Yeah I do. With Conner in Edmonton."

HF boards crashes within the hour.....

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Yeah you find a way to make it work if he wants to come here. How many teams have a chance to add a former 60 goal man who is 26 years old for nothing but money?

Toronto media July 1st swarm Stamkos as he exits his hotel that morning.

"Steven, do you see yourself wearing blue for the next seven years?"

"Yeah I do. With Conner in Edmonton."

HF boards crashes within the hour.....

Not just HFboards.....the province of Ontario would explode in media rage.

As much as I'd like to see Stamkos sign to play with Connor and refuel our hype machine he would be forever ostracized from his offseason home if he did this.

I......guess....he could just move to Edmonton permanently though.

Press; but Steven why did you announce a press conference in Toronto if you are signing a contract with Edmonton?
Stamkos; I needed to pack my stuff.....and this is where my old house is.

 

[McWeber]

Yeah you find a way to make it work if he wants to come here. How many teams have a chance to add a former 60 goal man who is 26 years old for nothing but money?

Toronto media July 1st swarm Stamkos as he exits his hotel that morning.

"Steven, do you see yourself wearing blue for the next seven years?"

"Yeah I do. With Conner in Edmonton."

HF boards crashes within the hour.....

We would have to unveil a new logo the next day. The exact same as the old one, only the oil drop is replaced with a blue and white teardrop.

 

[belair]

If Klefa is out long term Yandle would be a good pick up. Something plus conditional pick..
walk away and keep the pick if he doesnt prove to be worth it

Keith Yandle?

The guy they traded Duclair for?

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

 

[Jet Walters]

yeah thats all nice and everything, but there is still that little aspect of actually getting stamkos to sign here.... which, very clearly, isn't going to happen

i can't believe we're even talking about this and that i had to just type that down, lol... seriously people

I know it sounds crazy, but this is a guy who has a great shot at being one of the top 3 goal scores of all time. He has a higher career goals per game average than even Ovechkin.

If Stamkos truly cares about his legacy in the game, and has seen first hand what a player like Martin St. Louis did for his totals, how do you think he'd feel about playing with a generational talent like McDavid? How many more goals does he score over a seven year deal with McDavid feeding and creating for him instead of Kadri or Galchenyuk etc?

 

[Cloned]

So Lecavalier is an overpaid healthy scratch in Philly, LA picks him up and he has 3 points in 5 games.

Typical.

 

[McJadeddog]

I know it sounds crazy, but this is a guy who has a great shot at being one of the top 3 goal scores of all time. He has a higher career goals per game average than even Ovechkin.

If Stamkos truly cares about his legacy in the game, and has seen first hand what a player like Martin St. Louis did for his totals, how do you think he'd feel about playing with a generational talent like McDavid? How many more goals does he score over a seven year deal with McDavid feeding and creating for him instead of Kadri or Galchenyuk etc?

yeah i get that he would score more than he would playing in toronto (unless they get matthews i suppose), but if UFAs only cared about on-ice success, the UFA landscape would look very different every july.... there are a TON of other factors, none of which has edmonton in a very good spot... there is also the little matter of what stamkos wants to get paid (easily 10-11 million/season), and another little matter of whether he is actually WORTH that amount... edit to add: all the rumors are that he isn't happy in TBay due to not being played at center... the oilers have mcdavid (generational talent) and drai (cost controlled) as our centers.... sure, stamkos is better than drai right now, and likely in the future, but also costs 5 times as much

while the chances of stamkos ended up in edmonton aren't zero, lets just say they are y=1/x

 

[Jet Walters]

yeah i get that he would score more than he would playing in toronto (unless they get matthews i suppose), but if UFAs only cared about on-ice success, the UFA landscape would look very different every july.... there are a TON of other factors, none of which has edmonton in a very good spot... there is also the little matter of what stamkos wants to get paid (easily 10-11 million/season), and another little matter of whether he is actually WORTH that amount

while the chances of stamkos ended up in edmonton aren't zero, lets just say they are y=1/x

If y, 1, or x are McDavid then I'd say the Oilers have about as good a shot as anyone if he makes it to July 1.

If the Oilers trade at least 2 of Eberle, RNH, or Yak by the end of the draft without getting a top 6 forward back I would think something is afoot. Maybe not Stamkos, but Lucic or one of Ladd/Backes/Eriksson/Okposo for sure.

 

[McOvechking]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think Edmonton is the landing spot for Stamkos come next off-season.

I'm not sure it'll be a positive thing for this franchise moving forward, and making the money work will be a certain challenge, but it's possible.

 

[Uindicator]

Keith Yandle?

The guy they traded Duclair for?

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

Yandle is a Ufa at the end of the season and he isn't happy the way he's being used by vignualt.
http://m.thn.com/blog/rumor-roundup-rangers-want-to-ship-out-yandle-for-forward/

 

[1990*]

Yandle is a Ufa at the end of the season and he isn't happy the way he's being used by vignualt.
http://m.thn.com/blog/rumor-roundup-rangers-want-to-ship-out-yandle-for-forward/

Yandle probably heads to Beantown the way things are trending now. He'd be a nice fit there, too. Doesn't help us a lick as an LD so I wouldn't lose any sleep over that when it inevitably transpires.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

So Lecavalier is an overpaid healthy scratch in Philly, LA picks him up and he has 3 points in 5 games.

Typical.

Andrew MacDonald might be the missing piece to our top four

 

[Tw0Shoes]

who's up for picking Downie off of waivers?
Pretty drastic line up change in two weeks if we get him and Kassian in the line up.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think Edmonton is the landing spot for Stamkos come next off-season.

I'm not sure it'll be a positive thing for this franchise moving forward, and making the money work will be a certain challenge, but it's possible.

He'd have to take a massive discount. We can't afford what a UFA Stamkos would garner on the open market ($9m+). If he did, we could easily move someone even at 60-70% value for a defensive upgrade.

 

[hallhopkinseberle]

who's up for picking Downie off of waivers?
Pretty drastic line up change in two weeks if we get him and Kassian in the line up.

I am not. Downie will just put us in the penalty box more, he might be better than Pakarinen but I don't see Pakarinen playing once Hendricks is back.

 

[Tw0Shoes]

I am not. Downie will just put us in the penalty box more, he might be better than Pakarinen but I don't see Pakarinen playing once Hendricks is back.

The guy has 6 minor penalties on the year. Give me a break.

 

[BlowbyBlow]

He'd have to take a massive discount. We can't afford what a UFA Stamkos would garner on the open market ($9m+). If he did, we could easily move someone even at 60-70% value for a defensive upgrade.

I think Oil fans have to accept not necessarily what you see is what you get because I think Eberle may be at that point, but RNH may be the best we ever see him in Oil silks, but a change of environment he may be better.

Oiler fans in general should differentiate between how a player plays here vs in another city. Some team may get more out of him, heck another club might even get more out of Eberle, but in terms of club identity those two just don't fall into the mold of your on/off ice leaders playing in a small Canadian market.

I was against the Stamkos thing but i came around it for one simple reason. I looked at a team like Chicago, and they had guys that were around that 6.5 million range guys like Saad, and Sharp, and while you get production from those guys to win you end up needing those superstar caliber players. You obviously need to surround your team with those types, but hypothetically if Chicago ever went the route of using that second tier of player (that was in the 4.5-6 mil range) they would be just a playoff team and not a perennial cup contender.

This is the first time i flip flopped on an idea, but I warmed up to it. I just feel even a dynamic player like Mcdavid come playoff time teams will try eliminate your best weapon, and that's him.

 

[Pablo Aimar]

Stamkos isn't coming to Edmonton.

If Stamkos was willing to sign here for 8 million a year then he would be a fantastic addition and would indeed allow some other forwards to be traded for defence. It would be a no-brainer. The problem with this dream scenario is that multiple teams will offer Stamkos 10, 11, or even 12 million a year - so why the **** would he take less to play for the Oilers? He will go for the best offer and Chiarelli, hopefully, isn't dumb enough to make it.

 

[BlowbyBlow]

Stamkos isn't coming to Edmonton.

If Stamkos was willing to sign here for 8 million a year then he would be a fantastic addition and would indeed allow some other forwards to be traded for defence. It would be a no-brainer. The problem with this dream scenario is that multiple teams will offer Stamkos 10, 11, or even 12 million a year - so why the **** would he take less to play for the Oilers? He will go for the best offer and Chiarelli, hopefully, isn't dumb enough to make it.

I don't think you can really say its about the money ...honestly. We're in the new age of multimillionaire hockey's that now a star like him will be looking at easily over 150 million - 200 mil worth of earnings in his career.

For someone like him who knows where he's going to get paid no matter what. The questions in his head are things like a) where is my family the most comfortable b) where am i the most valued. c) I have had anonymity do I want high pressure.

I would say for hockey players lifestyle and way of life affect a lot of why they want to play for one team vs another over winning or fighting over a few million lost here or there.

 

[belair]

Yandle is a Ufa at the end of the season and he isn't happy the way he's being used by vignualt.
http://m.thn.com/blog/rumor-roundup-rangers-want-to-ship-out-yandle-for-forward/

My point is that he's currently on a playoff team that paid dearly for him less than a year ago and we are not a playoff team. In no circumstance would it make any sense to use assets to 'test drive' an impending free agent.