Proposal: Trade Rumours & Proposals Thread: Will we ever get another dman?

[McOilbleeder]

What do you think his cap hit will be though?

Maybe he's a humble down to earth guy satisfied with $8 or $9 million dollars a year

After Kopitar and Toews' extensions, I don't see him getting lower than 10M/yr. Going rate for elite C's I think.

I think bigger issue is his usage. His biggest gripe with Cooper is he wants to play C, where as Cooper sees him as a winger. Pretty sure it was Friedman who said at GM meetings, alot of execs and GM agreed and saw Stamkos as a winger rather than a C.

Last thing we need is to invest 10M/yr for a winger with our glaring holes in D.

 

[s7ark]

This would be too good to be true. I'd expect we'd have to pay more than that for Hamonic, but adding him and Buff or Yandle as UFAs would be unreal. I'd prefer Yandle but I think the Rangers sign him.

I think my pie in the sky trade and signing this summer would be Shattenkirk (trade) and Buff (sign), followed closely by Hamonic and Yandle. Hamonic and Yandle would be a better pairing, but I think Shattenkirk and Buff complement what we already have better.

For instance - Klefbom/Sekera - Shattenkirk, Klefbom/Nurse - Buff looks pretty great to me as a top 4.

I like Shatty, I'd just prefer to keep Nuge if we can. That is why I like the FA idea of Buff/Yandle.

And Yandle isn't re-signing with the Rangers. That has been pretty widely reported.

That seems as likely as us getting Stamkos

It does? I expect our pick to be in the 5-10 range. No GM is going to offer Snow the return he wants(comparable D), and Snow can't drag this out forever. Not many teams will offer up a high 1st pick for Hamonic. I think that would be about the best offer Snow is going to get. Then Snow can put it all behind him and try to get a replacement through FA.

 

[McTrashBoat]

After Kopitar and Toews' extensions, I don't see him getting lower than 10M/yr. Going rate for elite C's I think.

I think bigger issue is his usage. His biggest gripe with Cooper is he wants to play C, where as Cooper sees him as a winger. Pretty sure it was Friedman who said at GM meetings, alot of execs and GM agreed and saw Stamkos as a winger rather than a C.

Last thing we need is to invest 10M/yr for a winger with our glaring holes in D.

True dat, this only makes sense if you have a trade for a big name Defenseman lined up, and send away some of RNH, Eberle, or Yak.

And really, if he can continue his point production (on his career average) on a line with say Hall, and Draisaitl he'll be producing more than RNH and Eberle combined at a 2 million savings.

 

[oil Leaks]

Unless Stamkos is willing to sign here for 7-8 mil. Realistically, I don't see him coming here.

 

[Aerrol]

I like Shatty, I'd just prefer to keep Nuge if we can. That is why I like the FA idea of Buff/Yandle.

And Yandle isn't re-signing with the Rangers. That has been pretty widely reported.

It does? I expect our pick to be in the 5-10 range. No GM is going to offer Snow the return he wants(comparable D), and Snow can't drag this out forever. Not many teams will offer up a high 1st pick for Hamonic. I think that would be about the best offer Snow is going to get. Then Snow can put it all behind him and try to get a replacement through FA.

I don't know about the bolded. I've seen the reports, but it's been more speculative to me so far rather than 'for sure'. Of course, we never get the full story until it happens. Just seems odd to me that they'd give up their best puck-mover..but I guess no one's taking Staal or Girardi.

If we can get Hamonic for picks only he's for sure a better option than Shattenkirk. I just don't think Snow accepts picks only. I hope you're right though.

 

[Suxnet]

After Kopitar and Toews' extensions, I don't see him getting lower than 10M/yr. Going rate for elite C's I think.

I think bigger issue is his usage. His biggest gripe with Cooper is he wants to play C, where as Cooper sees him as a winger. Pretty sure it was Friedman who said at GM meetings, alot of execs and GM agreed and saw Stamkos as a winger rather than a C.

Last thing we need is to invest 10M/yr for a winger with our glaring holes in D.

Oilers are one of the lowest scoring teams in the league, and have been for some time. They need goal scoring just as much as defense.

 

[McOilbleeder]

It does? I expect our pick to be in the 5-10 range. No GM is going to offer Snow the return he wants(comparable D), and Snow can't drag this out forever. Not many teams will offer up a high 1st pick for Hamonic. I think that would be about the best offer Snow is going to get. Then Snow can put it all behind him and try to get a replacement through FA.

Yeah I don't see it costing a top 10 pick to get Hamonic at the draft. Honestly if the trade does go down with us, I expect Eberle to be going the other way as a replacement for Okposo.

Like you said, Snow's ask for comparable D is one for within the season, but again as you mentioned, his bargaining power goes down. Especially since Hamonic has geographical preference.

 

[Faelko]

Oilers are one of the lowest scoring teams in the league, and have been for some time. They need goal scoring just as much as defense.

I wonder if that McDavid kid will help?

 

[McShogun99]

Unless Stamkos is willing to sign here for 7-8 mil. Realistically, I don't see him coming here.

Pipe dream. There's no way that Stamkos takes a multi million dollar pay cut to play on a bottom feeder like the Oilers. There's always the odd chance he wants to play with Mcdavid but it's to early in his career for him to want to take a pay cut. Stamkos signs a 7 year deal to the highest bidder. Once that deal is done then he might take a discount to a Cup contender if he hasn't won one yet.

 

[Uindicator]

Go for the Hail Mary and get all three D out there!
Nuge for shattenkirk (add whatever on either side)
Klefbom( kid is too injury prone) + for Hamonic
Forward + picks for a signed Yandle

Right there you got a pretty sick D-core

Yandle - Hamonic
Sekera - Shattenkirk
Nurse - Davidson
Gryba

 

[Suxnet]

I wonder if that McDavid kid will help?

One player can only do so much. I still have hope that Yak can become a good goal scorer, but getting Stamkos would help a lot as well, and should be seriously considered by Chiarelli.

 

[joestevens29]

Then why wouldn't he stay with his current team?

I'd guess he's getting around $12 mill too if he leaves Tampa.

That's the 10 million dollar question.

There is no reason for him to leave TB unless he really doesn't like the coach. TB has some of the best tax breaks, it's beautiful weather, competitive team etc..., but for some reason there has been a lot of negativity around him re-signing.

 

[joestevens29]

I like Shatty, I'd just prefer to keep Nuge if we can. That is why I like the FA idea of Buff/Yandle.

And Yandle isn't re-signing with the Rangers. That has been pretty widely reported.



It does? I expect our pick to be in the 5-10 range. No GM is going to offer Snow the return he wants(comparable D), and Snow can't drag this out forever. Not many teams will offer up a high 1st pick for Hamonic. I think that would be about the best offer Snow is going to get. Then Snow can put it all behind him and try to get a replacement through FA.

I just don't see them taking picks unless they can flip them. They will at the very least want a prospect that is playing+. Picks don't really help them

Oilers are one of the lowest scoring teams in the league, and have been for some time. They need goal scoring just as much as defense.

Part of that is because our defense is god awful at producing and moving the puck.

 

[McOvechking]

Go for the Hail Mary and get all three D out there!
Nuge for shattenkirk (add whatever on either side)
Klefbom( kid is too injury prone) + for Hamonic
Forward + picks for a signed Yandle

Right there you got a pretty sick D-core

Yandle - Hamonic
Sekera - Shattenkirk
Nurse - Davidson
Gryba

I'm not at all opposed to this approach, but I think a lot of it depends on how much Yandle wants this offseason, and how much Shattenkirk wants next off-season.

I still want Byfuglien more than any of those three guys, though.

 

[McJadeddog]

If y, 1, or x are McDavid then I'd say the Oilers have about as good a shot as anyone if he makes it to July 1.

If the Oilers trade at least 2 of Eberle, RNH, or Yak by the end of the draft without getting a top 6 forward back I would think something is afoot. Maybe not Stamkos, but Lucic or one of Ladd/Backes/Eriksson/Okposo for sure.

lol, touche

its actually a graph function meaning "approaching zero", but your retort is funny enough that i'll let it slide

 

[1990*]

Just for fun, I tried to slot in Stamkos at $10M per.

Assuming some combination of RNH, Eberle and Nurse returns Shattenkirk, Hamonic, Berglund and Niederreiter, here's what the roster would look like:

Hall-Stamkos-Draisaitl
Niederreiter-McDavid-Yakupov
Pouliot-Berglund-Kassian
Korpikoski-Letestu-Hendricks
Lander Khaira

Sekera-Shattenkirk
Klefbom-Hamonic
Davidson-Fayne
Reinhart

Talbot
Brossoit

Even with generous RFA deals to Davidson and Brossoit (2 years, $1.5M each) and a one-year deal at $2M for Kassian, that team still has over $3M in cap room (assuming a $74M ceiling). Niederreiter and Yak being under team control for the foreseeable future limits the damage either can do in the short-term, leaving Draisaitl as the only forward to be concerned about next summer. The same goes for the blueline; Sekera, Klefbom and Hamonic have peachy contracts, leaving only Shattenkirk as a potential hard bargain.

This, of course, says nothing about how to deal with McDavid, but we'll just assume he's a max contract and deal with it then

 

[belair]

Veering away from the pie in the sky talk, I'm wondering what our play is at the trade deadline as we can't really call ourselves 'sellers'.

Regardless of whether or not we're in the playoff race at that point, I think we still have to field offers on guys like Schultz, Purcell and Fayne. 'Key' guys on the current roster, but guys that likely won't be back next season.

Schultz is an interesting piece as an RFA who will likely not be tendered by whichever team he ends up with. Despite his poor showing so far this season, teams should still see him as a decent option as a depth puck moving defenseman as he's averaged about 30 points a year since entering the league.

What do we realistically think we can get for him and where from?

Personally I think the very most we could possibly expect would be a 2nd or 3rd along with a similar cap dump coming back.

 

[McJadeddog]

Stamkos isn't signing here, especially not to play on Mcdavid's wing when half his issue with Cooper is the fact that the coach sees him more as a winger.

Doesn't even really fit the Oilers needs even if he's fine with playing wing. Rather see the Oilers throw money at a UFA defenseman, rather than another high skill forward that will see his stats depress in Edmonton because no one on the backend is capable of making a pass or creating a play.

yup, why would he come here to play as a winger? and if you think he'd be a center, then the whole "wants to play with mcdavid" point, kinda goes out the window no? most people seem to be using the mcdavid reason as the main reason he might come here, but i just don't see it... they would only play together on the PP

 

[Evilsports]

Am I alone in thinking that Byfuglien, while likely being close to exactly what we need on our defense, is a gamble at his age? I'm not saying that he's old by any stretch. What I am saying is that coming into next season at 31 years old and likely looking for his proverbial payday in salary and term, coupled with the physical type of game that defines his style of play, how many more years does he have to offer? At what cost?

It's known that NHL defensemen peak at 28-29 years old, as a rule. Is Dustin enough of an exception to the rule as to risk the term and salary he will undoubtedly demand?

 

[McTrashBoat]

yup, why would he come here to play as a winger? and if you think he'd be a center, then the whole "wants to play with mcdavid" point, kinda goes out the window no? most people seem to be using the mcdavid reason as the main reason he might come here, but i just don't see it... they would only play together on the PP

Having Hall and Draisaitl as wingers wouldn't be a bad 2nd prize.

That'd probably be the best line in the NHL.

 

[McJadeddog]

Am I alone in thinking that Byfuglien, while likely being close to exactly what we need on our defense, is a gamble at his age? I'm not saying that he's old by any stretch. What I am saying is that coming into next season at 31 years old and likely looking for his proverbial payday in salary and term, coupled with the physical type of game that defines his style of play, how many more years does he have to offer? At what cost?

It's known that NHL defensemen peak at 28-29 years old, as a rule. Is Dustin enough of an exception to the rule as to risk the term and salary he will undoubtedly demand?

yeah most everybody on here agrees that you only likely get maybe 2-3 more "top performance" years out of big-buff, MAYBE 4 if he turns things around in his off-ice regiment..... i would guess 3 though, and wouldn't be surprised to see it be 2

not a guy i would be throwing term at, which he most definitely WILL get on the UFA market, and good for him.... i just don't want it to be on my team

 

[Still DRAI]

Part of that is because our defense is god awful at producing and moving the puck.

The importance of this factor can't be understated.

Brent Burns, by himself, has scored more goals this season to date than our entire d-corps.

Most of the top scoring defensemen this year have produced, by themselves, over 50% of the points that our entire defense has scored. In fact, John Carlson (at #15 in d-man scoring with 27 points in 34 GP) is the first one that would have produced under 50% of our d-corps' cumulative 55 points in 280 GP.

If you took Byfuglien (#18 in d-man scoring, 25 points in 45 GP) and dropped his stat line directly onto the Oilers, our goal production by defensemen would increase by 65% and our total points produced by defensemen would increase by 45%. From one player who isn't even known to be an elite offensive producer.

 

[McJadeddog]

Having Hall and Draisaitl as wingers wouldn't be a bad 2nd prize.

That'd probably be the best line in the NHL.

yeah i get that he could play with hall and drai, but if the argument is "stamkos will come here to play with mcdavid" then playing with hall/drai is out the window, that's all i'm saying

i still haven't heard a reason why stamkos would come here that makes any sense

 

[Mr Positive]

yeah i get that he could play with hall and drai, but if the argument is "stamkos will come here to play with mcdavid" then playing with hall/drai is out the window, that's all i'm saying

i still haven't heard a reason why stamkos would come here that makes any sense

thing is, we have no idea what's going on behind closed doors or what's motivating players. The Stamkos ideas come from his early season comments about how much he loved McDavid and thought he was already better than himself. So the idea is that it might be a door open to us, and that he might be motivated by something other than money.

I would bet Stamkos won't come here, but the odds are not totally remote. At any rate, it's not like we have to sacrifice anything today to explore this. If he wants to come here, he'll make those feelings known July 1st. We should not trade for him.

 

[joestevens29]

The importance of this factor can't be understated.

Brent Burns, by himself, has scored more goals this season to date than our entire d-corps.

Most of the top scoring defensemen this year have produced, by themselves, over 50% of the points that our entire defense has scored. In fact, John Carlson (at #15 in d-man scoring with 27 points in 34 GP) is the first one that would have produced under 50% of our d-corps' cumulative 55 points in 280 GP.

If you took Byfuglien (#18 in d-man scoring, 25 points in 45 GP) and dropped his stat line directly onto the Oilers, our goal production by defensemen would increase by 65% and our total points produced by defensemen would increase by 45%. From one player who isn't even known to be an elite offensive producer.

Last week Karlsson had as many assists as our d. OEL was like 3 goals less.

This would be fine and dandy if our defense was an excellent shut down corps, but they aren't that either.