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We did the same with Zack Smith in 2018. He ended up staying on the Sens and played the whole season.
Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX
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Can't say I've seen too much of his play but he's a former 1st round pick so we wouldn't be picking him up just because he's related to a player on the team
He's also 23 and on a team more likely to play Brooks Orpik than a 23 year-old with any risk to his game
playasRus
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They're going to want a King's ransom though. If we were hesitating at the package for Chychrun, think at least another 1st more.
2023 1st
2024 1st
Greig
JBD
Zaitsev
This is still likely not enough considering we'd want protections on the picks and someone's going to out bid it.
DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
Toews has a full NMC, and the organization has made it clear that he'll let him dictate where he goes. More of a respect thing. The price will be less than what Giroux went for last year, since he's a lesser player at this point.
Murphy, it's tough to gauge his value, but he also has a NTC.
Chychrun alone has more value than Toews + Murphy, IMO.
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If true, I wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger if I were PD.
2023 1st (top 10 protected)
2024 2nd
Jarventie
Kleven
Zaitsev
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Toews
Murphy
Murphy gives us that RD stay at home but still mobile and not play killing top 4 RD. Less IR prone than Chychrun on top of being a natural defense first and right handed D.
Toews gives us extra veteran leadership but isn't just icing.
Toews will use his full NMC to go to a top contender.
Could see him and Kane going to the Rangers @ 75% retention (from 50% from Chicago and 50% from a third team).
They only make 2.9M each this year so getting a third team to retain salary after Chicago retains 50% shouldn't be that difficult.
Highly doubt he'd waive to come here unless we are near the top of the standings at the deadline.
Could see him and Kane going to the Rangers @ 75% retention (from 50% from Chicago and 50% from a third team).
They only make 2.9M each this year so getting a third team to retain salary after Chicago retains 50% shouldn't be that difficult.
Highly doubt he'd waive to come here unless we are near the top of the standings at the deadline.
DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
We'd need to be in the mix for him to waive for us, no doubt. But if we are and we could do it without involving a 3rd team, that'd be an advantage over every other team who was interested.
I could see Toews being open to playing in a Canadian market, if we're doing well.
I don't think Kane and Toews would go together. Even at 75% retention, it'd be tough for top teams to take them both on, considering how strapped the contenders are.
At 75% retention they'd cost 2.625M each. It'd be tight but do-able if cap is heading back to Chicago.
Rangers might be able to fit both in if they include Chytil, Reaves and Blais (5.55M in cap) in the deal.
Panarin - Zibanejad - Kane
Kreider - Trocheck - Kakko
Lafreniere - Toews - Kravtsov
Vesey - Goodrow - Gauthier
Insane offense if they could pull it off.
And with top tier defense and goaltending, Rangers would easily be the deepest team in the league and the favourite for the cup.
DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
They could, but I'm skeptical they'd give up a guy like Chytil. He's a pretty big part of their future, and they're a team that plans on contending for the next 5 years, not just this season. Plus, they'd not only have to send assets to Chicago (Chytil + multiple picks + cap dumps Reaves and Blais), they'd also have to give up assets to a 3rd team for the additional retention.
They'd be better off just going after Kane and keeping Chytil.
I think Toews will have a much more limited market.
Kane said this the other day:
Maybe Toews joined him and saw the atmosphere in the arena...
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It is great news for the players. Bad news for small market teams.
I don't know how much of a future Chytil has in NY. He is blocked at center by Zibanejad and Trocheck and by Panarin, Kreider and Lafreniere at LW.
Money is going to get tight as soon as next season and I could see him being a cap casualty, depending on how much he wants.
They don't have much in the pipeline when it comes to young centers, but they are paying Goodrow 3.6M to center their 4th line so it may make sense for him to play a bigger role and occupy the 3C hole next season.
Also Blais isn't a cap dump. He's a solid bottom 6er on a reasonable salary that a lot of teams would trade an asset to acquire.
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I suspect a lot of the growth is from the new TV deals and ad revenue, which I'm guess leans more towards centrally generated.
Centrally generated revenue benefits small market team's because as the ratio shifts more towards central revenue, the less of an impact ticket sales has relatively speaking.
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DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
Not Chicago or any team involved in retention (i.e. Arizona). I suppose New York could send him to another contender, but my guess is they see him as someone they'd prefer to keep (Drury just traded Buchnevich for him + a 2nd a year ago)
Either way, I don't think swapping out Chytil and Blais for Toews makes NY much better, and it'd likely require a pick on top of it (plus the premium assets you'd be sending out for Kane, like Othmann and a 1st).
I expect them to be all-in on Kane, though (along with Pittsburgh, Carolina and St.Louis).
*Also, the Rangers have shifted Lafreniere to RW, smartly, considering they have Panarin and Kreider on the left. He's in their top 6 now, playing with Panarin and Trocheck. Goodrow plays RW on the 3rd line, with Blais and Chytil.
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Our local broadcast contract is very good as well even with C$ taking a beating we are pulling in over 25M USD on that TSN deal.
I think Kane, Kakko, Kravtsov and, as you pointed out, Lafreniere at RW makes Blais expendable.
Unless Toews returns to his form pre-illness/injury I don't think he'll cost that much to acquire, especially since he can basically control where he goes. I'd expect a Hall-type return for him (2nd + something else like a B prospect or young depth player).
DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
Agreed. But his cap hit makes it tricky. Most contenders would need to send an additional asset to a 3rd team for extra salary retention, and remove salary from their active roster to fit him in. All that for a 3rd line player.
We wouldn't need to do either. If he'd be willing to come here, we could probably do 2nd + Jarventie (or equivalent prospect) for Toews with 25% retention and call it a day.
The ability to do that would give us an advantage. Other teams like the Rangers (especially if they also want Kane), Calgary, Colorado, etc, would need to be a lot more creative.
That's why I think the options for Toews will be limited, if he does want to move. He'll be able to go to a Colorado or Tampa this summer if he's willing to take a low salary, but it probably won't be possible at the deadline. And hey, that might be what he decides to do. Play the year out in Chicago and see what his options are as a UFA.
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Toews' low salary shouldn't make retention much of an issue.
I'm not a cap expert by any means so my numbers are probably off, but if Chicago retained 50% of his 2.9M salary today he'll be owed 1.45M the rest of the year, and a team retaining an additional 50% would only be paying 0.7225M.
And of course the trade wouldn't happen until the season is 50-75% over so it would be even cheaper for the 3rd team to retain salary.
Agreed about cap needing to still come back from the acquiring team. A lot of teams put themselves in an inflexible position to make additional acquisitions at the deadline just to fit under the cap. Might make acquiring a rental a little cheaper should we be in a good position around the deadline.
DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
The problem isn't his salary, it's his cap hit. The contenders are all up against the cap. Salary owed doesn't matter much to them. Toronto, for example, could not add Toews, even with 75% retention, without making other significant roster moves. Neither could Tampa, Vegas, Florida, Edmonton, Pittsburgh, etc.
I think those teams would be willing to get very creative and make those sacrifices for a guy like Patrick Kane, who's still a top 15 player.
But for Toews, who scored 12 goals and 37 points last year? I doubt it. The Rangers, for example, are not giving up Chytil and Blais to add Toews. No chance. Nor do I think Chicago would be all that interested in that return. They'd probably prefer picks/prospects and no money coming back.
We're in the opposite situation. We can absorb a big cap hit, if it's just for one season. A low real salary makes it even better.
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The only way I would get him is if Zaitsev goes the other way.
Then bench Simmonds for most games except for when we're playing the Leafs. Send him out there to beat up on all their brats.
Toronto can't make that trade. They have less than 700K in cap space and Simmonds only makes 900K.
They have 3 options: play him, trade him for a player on a similar dollar contract who might fit their team better, or trade him and pay the other team to absorb 900K and a contract.
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