Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[NyQuil]

I get the feeling that Detroit will end up with Koneckny instead. Seems more like a Yzerman player with a lower cap hit and already signed compared to Debrincat. Also brings more of an element that they lost with Bertuzzi.

I'd love a guy like that on our team.

So Brady actually has a much bigger obligation to give an effort defensively for the good and success of the team.

Sure, but he also wasn't close to being as bad defensively as Batherson.

Meanwhile Karlsson teams despite less talent would be much more visibly frustrated when they were losing, but that's bad team dynamics and leadership.

I like how you bring up Karlsson because there were more than a few nights where he literally couldn't be bothered to put much of an effort into defending in his own zone.

Now it's the "it was the best of times" bullshit.

When the team actually did something in the post-season, it was chock full of veterans who raised their game appropriately, from Methot to Phaneuf, to MacArthur, to Ryan, to Brassard.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I'd love a guy like that on our team.



Sure, but he also wasn't close to being as bad defensively as Batherson.



I like how you bring up Karlsson because there were more than a few nights where he literally couldn't be bothered to put much of an effort into defending in his own zone.

Now it's the "it was the best of times" bullshit.

When the team actually did something in the post-season, it was chock full of veterans who raised their game appropriately, from Methot to Phaneuf, to MacArthur, to Ryan, to Brassard.

yes and when Karlsson did that the whole team suffered and seemed to follow his example. and we were all critical and frustrated. but he also only did that when the games didn't mean much or when he was injured.

I do not remember anytime when the pressure was high, when the stakes were high, when games had meaning, Karlsson and his team would play with so little poise as this team has showcased when the games have meaning. Do you remember?

 

[NyQuil]

I do not remember anytime when the pressure was high, when the stakes were high, when games had meaning, Karlsson and his team would play with so little poise as this team has showcased when the games have meaning. Do you remember?

Sure, it's called recency bias.

Case in point, in 2013-2014, the Senators were 4 points out of a spot by the trade deadline on March 5th. They would add Ales Hemsky for additional pop in the line-up.

They would go on to lose six games in a row from March 10th to March 22nd and essentially end their hopes of playing in the post-season.

It was their longest losing streak of the season.

In 2015-2016, again beginning in March, they went 1-5 to start off the month and essentially eliminated themselves from the post-season down the stretch.

They went 5-9 in the month and were eliminated on March 30th.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Sure, it's called recency bias.

Case in point, in 2013-2014, the Senators were 4 points out of a spot by the trade deadline on March 5th. They would add Ales Hemsky for additional pop in the line-up.

They would go on to lose six games in a row from March 10th to March 22nd and essentially end their hopes of playing in the post-season.

It was their longest losing streak of the season.

The season after Karlsson got cooked, Spezza was coming back from injury and Alfredsson left? I remember that season, not in as much detail as you but I remember it being an incredibly frustrating season. But that team had less talent than this team and we were still harder on that team. Not to mention that season is sandwiched between two playoff seasons.

By contrast this roster has spent 7 seasons (3 since trying to be "competitive") without a truly meaningful game and for some reason seem to be getting sloppier on defense.

 

[NyQuil]

By contrast this roster has spent 7 seasons (3 since trying to be "competitive") without a truly meaningful game and for some reason seem to be getting sloppier on defense.

6 seasons. 7 seasons ago, we were in the Eastern Conference Finals.

There is exactly one player left from the team 6 seasons ago compared with last year's team: Thomas Chabot.

So I wouldn't say that "this roster" hasn't played a meaningful game. It's really a story of two rosters.

The fact that we have one of the longest tenured NHL head coaches and the same GM over that entire period blows my mind.

That's why all this talk about Brady Tkachuk's leadership is so funny.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

A 2023 1st could probably help us land somoene like Konecny or Hart. Dorion putting the same value on a 2023 and 2024 1st is a total bluff.

 

[Golden_Jet]

A 2023 1st could probably help us land somoene like Konecny or Hart. Dorion putting the same value on a 2023 and 2024 1st is a total bluff.

Or use it to draft someone, and dip into FA.
Philly likely just wants picks.

 

[Union2017]

Trade DeBrincat, get Karl back - he can add to the point production and replace Cat in that sense. Get a goalie (easier said than done) somehow and 2nd line winger for Cat. There, problem solved

 

[Golden_Jet]

Trade DeBrincat, get Karl back - he can add to the point production and replace Cat in that sense. Get a goalie (easier said than done) somehow and 2nd line winger for Cat. There, problem solved

If you take Karl back, no money left for goalie or second line winger

 

[Ouroboros]

If we get a 1st in the DeBrincat deal I like the idea of trying to roll that into Ross Colton. Assuming we can lock him in on a fair contract [5 years, 22.5M or thereabouts] of course.

DeBrincat for 17 + Berggren
17+ for Colton

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Giroux
Colton-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Beggren
XXX-Kastelic-Joseph

 

[Hale The Villain]

If we get a 1st in the DeBrincat deal I like the idea of trying to roll that into Ross Colton. Assuming we can lock him in on a fair contract [5 years, 22.5M or thereabouts] of course.

DeBrincat for 17 + Berggren
17+ for Colton

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Giroux
Colton-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Beggren
XXX-Kastelic-Joseph

I really don't like the idea of trading a mid 1st+ for a 2nd/3rd line tweener, whether it's Colton, Laughton or some one else.

We traded Paul for Joseph and Brown for a 2nd. Price for a replacement shouldn't be substantially higher.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I really don't like the idea of trading a mid 1st+ for a 2nd/3rd line tweener, whether it's Colton, Laughton or some one else.

We traded Paul for Joseph and Brown for a 2nd. Price for a replacement shouldn't be substantially higher.

Ya same, if I’m giving up a first, it’s in a package for Saros, not a 3 liner, that can play second line with injury.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Trade DeBrincat, get Karl back - he can add to the point production and replace Cat in that sense. Get a goalie (easier said than done) somehow and 2nd line winger for Cat. There, problem solved

All 11.5 if karl? And why would sj retain unless he demands a trade or we pay extra on what will be an expensive trade imo

Ya same, if I’m giving up a first, it’s in a package for Saros, not a 3 liner, that can play second line with injury.

Saros would start with a 1st though and I think be more than we'd want to pay

 

[Golden_Jet]

Saros would start with a 1st though.

So did you read the 2 lines in my post where it says.

if I’m giving up a first, it’s in a package for Saros

 

[Sensators]

I really like colton but I don't think he fetches a 17th pick+.. that's basically saying he is debrincat. Fast player with a good shot that can create offense but hasn't put up the numbers to justify that cost.

I like the idea that he might be undervalued but we gotta use that to get him for cheaper if that makes sense.

 

[SpezDispenser]

So did you read the 2 lines in my post where it says.

if I’m giving up a first, it’s in a package for Saros

I did, that's why i added more than we'd be willing

 

[Hale The Villain]

Ya same, if I’m giving up a first, it’s in a package for Saros, not a 3 liner, that can play second line with injury.

If that's the cost for a mediocre player I would rather just take on a bad short-term contract like Garland, Mantha, Hoffman, etc.. and pick up a pick instead.

 

[bert]

You can thank Batherson for that and did you guys see how hard I was on Batherson? Everyone was. But when anyone is hard like that on Brady suddenly it's sacrilege. And this is despite Batherson not being a captain and making 8 million. So Brady actually has a much bigger obligation to give an effort defensively for the good and success of the team.

And yea this team in general has a miasma of not wanting to do what is necessary to win. Yet people are lauding how close the boys are, how great the leadership is, and how much fun they have as they lose. Meanwhile Karlsson teams despite less talent would be much more visibly frustrated when they were losing, but that's bad team dynamics and leadership.

But which team actually did more winning?

There is no accountability on this club. It's on Dorion, it's on DJ, and despite popular belief it's actually on the players as well for not having more pride about winning.

Those teams best players were in their primes. Nothing like this team. You also don't think finishing your checks counts as effort. It's mind boggling. Also loved Jesper Bratt is a great playoff player. Guy was a ghost you're lost man.

 

[GCK]

If that's the cost for a mediocre player I would rather just take on a bad short-term contract like Garland, Mantha, Hoffman, etc.. and pick up a pick instead.

Why take on a bad contract for a pick that hurts the team now to get a lottery ticket. Colton is a good Formenton replacement and would help this team for years to come. The team is better with Colton and cap space than they are with Debrincat (assuming the cap space is used well).

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

If that's the cost for a mediocre player I would rather just take on a bad short-term contract like Garland, Mantha, Hoffman, etc.. and pick up a pick instead.

Hoffman?

 

[armani]

If that's the cost for a mediocre player I would rather just take on a bad short-term contract like Garland, Mantha, Hoffman, etc.. and pick up a pick instead.

Lol dafuq's this Hale??

100% agreed that the team shouldn't waste high picks on 3rd/4th liners or "hard" players.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I’ve said it once and will say it again but I think we should take a hard look at adding Goodrow. Cap would need to work but he should be cheap and is a real force out there

 

[SpezDispenser]

I’ve said it once and will say it again but I think we should take a hard look at adding Goodrow. Cap would need to work but he should be cheap and is a real force out there

Are the Rangers trading him? He seems perfect value for a 3rd line.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

I guess it could be worse.

 

[bicboi64]

We should offer sheet Colton.

F*** TB