I have to agree. They've both been part of the core for a long time and where has it gotten us?
More importantly, AV is trying to play the type of game that doesn't suit either one of them.
Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Anything
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I have to agree. They've both been part of the core for a long time and where has it gotten us?
More importantly, AV is trying to play the type of game that doesn't suit either one of them.
Tawnos
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I'm starting to come around to this thinking a little bit with Girardi. Of the two, he's the one most likely to go anyway. I don't see Callahan going anywhere, as much as that might not be the best idea.
Paulie Walnutz
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Let's do this.
Trade Girardi, DZ, J Moore, Staal, Boyle, D Moore, Cally, Hagelin, and Brass, get futures for them. Let's see how this board reacts next season when they are struggling to look respectable in a game or turn the other cheek when challenged.
What makes that any different from the current state?
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
I don't see HOW we are going to trade Del Z, who is by all accounts NOT a top-4 defenseman, for a TOP-4 D-MAN!
With Staal's recent injury we may be boned this season anyway.
With Staal's recent injury we may be boned this season anyway.
Girardi and Callahan probably want long-term contracts. Lundqvist wanted 8. Settled for 7. The Rangers can't give out two more long-term contracts. Both of them will probably command 7 years on the open market. Pick one. Callahan. With his play,that's not a good investment either right now. The 8 year MAX term has become a magnet. Ericsson got 6 years in Detroit. The player demands eight and then compromises at 6 or 7 which is still a very long time. The cap hit is high because the tack on years have been eliminated. Newport represents Girardi. They call rep Phaneuf. They are driving a hard bargain with Toronto. They also have Subban. They want big money for him. They got Lundqvist 7 years.
Both Callahan and Girardi remind me of baseball pitchers that have pitched a lot of innings. The amount of blocked shots, hits, etc that both players have had over the last few seasons has been great for the Rangers and I appreciate what they have done but it's damaging. It's very dangerous to fall in love with those types of players. They seem to decline at a very fast rate. I think we have already started seeing both players decline. What does that mean and what are they worth? I don't know. A part of me thinks the best thing to do would be to move both players at the deadline. I think the return for both Girardi and Callahan individually would be huge. They could be missing pieces for teams that think they are close to a Cup. I know, it probably won't happen but the Rangers should investigate the possibility.
Because this is HF and sometimes things get twisted I feel I need to add this disclaimer. Yes, I know teams in New York don't rebuild although trading them doesn't mean you are getting a "rebuild" return. Yes, I know Callahan is the captain of the team. Yes, I know that both players are very valuable to the Rangers. Yes, I know that the odds of either one being traded is slim to none.
Because this is HF and sometimes things get twisted I feel I need to add this disclaimer. Yes, I know teams in New York don't rebuild although trading them doesn't mean you are getting a "rebuild" return. Yes, I know Callahan is the captain of the team. Yes, I know that both players are very valuable to the Rangers. Yes, I know that the odds of either one being traded is slim to none.
haohmaru
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Personally, I think the Rangers need to wait until closer to the deadline to see where they're at in the standings. If it's not looking good, I trade either or both of Callahan and Girardi for high draft picks and take my chances in next years UFA pool - Vanek, Mouslon, Thornton, etc...
If I sign either of them long term, it's Danny G. Hard to replace those minutes. Love Cally, but his style is going to wear out his body quickly and if I'm the NYR, I'm not paying a guy like that 6-7/million per.
If I sign either of them long term, it's Danny G. Hard to replace those minutes. Love Cally, but his style is going to wear out his body quickly and if I'm the NYR, I'm not paying a guy like that 6-7/million per.
I agree. i mean there are 52 games left. one nice winning streak and we are in s good playoffs position
A lot of questions to be answered these next few months.
My concern is with MSG renovation done and having a NY mentality, would Rangers ever be sellers at deadline?
OT maybe, but I point to the Yankees not selling Cano, Hughes, Granderson at deadline. Weren't making playoffs and def weren't beating sox.
NY teams like Rangers and Yanks aren't prone to selling. Trading off assets isn't going to fill seats in lounges and on new chase bridge. Not saying they haven't in past, but it isn't their go-to move. Partial rebuilds are what Sather likes.
I hope we aren't in position to sell quite frankly, but if its the smarter move, NYR can re-up on younger talent really quick.
With this said, what record would they need to have to sell at deadline? Metro division is hard to read in new playoff format, but what do you guys think? What do u think guys like Cally and Girardi could realistically net in return, should we go down that road? Again, I'd hate to see Girardi go. Been my fav Ranger for a while now.
My concern is with MSG renovation done and having a NY mentality, would Rangers ever be sellers at deadline?
OT maybe, but I point to the Yankees not selling Cano, Hughes, Granderson at deadline. Weren't making playoffs and def weren't beating sox.
NY teams like Rangers and Yanks aren't prone to selling. Trading off assets isn't going to fill seats in lounges and on new chase bridge. Not saying they haven't in past, but it isn't their go-to move. Partial rebuilds are what Sather likes. I hope we aren't in position to sell quite frankly, but if its the smarter move, NYR can re-up on younger talent really quick.
With this said, what record would they need to have to sell at deadline? Metro division is hard to read in new playoff format, but what do you guys think? What do u think guys like Cally and Girardi could realistically net in return, should we go down that road? Again, I'd hate to see Girardi go. Been my fav Ranger for a while now.
HFsNumber1Heel
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They're not gonna sell at the deadline because the Metro Division is awful and even if they keep this .500 crap up, they'll still be in it.
They'll either just make it or just miss it and then everyone will be complaining about realignment and how unfair it is. It's gonna be another year with a revolving door of players. Richards out, Jumbo Joe or Marleau in as his replacement as a 50 point player.
They'll either just make it or just miss it and then everyone will be complaining about realignment and how unfair it is. It's gonna be another year with a revolving door of players. Richards out, Jumbo Joe or Marleau in as his replacement as a 50 point player.
I would seriously consider doing it if he's going to ask for anything around 5.5+.
It's Chris Drury all over again.
Lion Hound
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How about and think over $4.5 mil per? I love Cally as much as the next guy but lets face it. He isn't worth more than that. And if he can get the big contract elsewhere and he prob could get $5.5 somewhere on a longer deal, that is just not going to work here in NY. Two guys are already eating up over 16 Mil. Too much...Signing him long term to big dollars will crush this team.
While I agree that is his style is the same as Drury. What is wrong with a 5 year deal or even 6 at 5 to 5.5 tops? The only way i dont want him is if he wants 8 years and 6 or 7 mill plus.
because hes been terrible this year and not worth that amount of money even on a one year deal. he will probably get that or more long term though.
5 years and 5 mill or whatever the million dollar raise is isn't going to cripple the team. He wont get more then Backes or Brown. Girardi if hes looking for a significant raise is a different story. Hes already starting to regress.
Hes coming off an injury and pretty much has played injured all season. Cally isn't worth more then 5 tops. I'd like 4.5 but that wont get it done IMO.
Callahan has done nothing in his career to warrant a 5.5 million a year contract. His body is breaking down. He hasn't had a healthy season in what feels like forever. Anything over 5 is an over payment IMO. Let someone else get saddled with that. I just think we should maximize the value of him by trading rather than letting him walk for nothing.
I agree hes not worth more then 5 tops but if he wanted 5.5 you know the Rangers won't let him walk over that. If we get completely overwhelmed for him then only I trade him but I doubt that happens. I can think of prob 20-30 worse contracts then cally heaven forbid signs for 5.5. Like I said im praying to a 4.5-5 max but that wont happen either.
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I wish we could get rid of Pyatt, Pouliot, and D. Moore. Getting anything would be an upgrade.
I'd still like to see if Brass can do well on the wing. His face offs are killing me.
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Brassard - Richards - Zuccs
Hags - Miller - Cally
Beach? - Boyle - Dorsett
I'd stick Asham or Powe in that 4th line LW spot. At least they'd bring something to a game and not look brain dead out there.
Zats Muccarello
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Agreed. Callahan is a really really good heart and soul player, but Im not really interested in paying him because of that.
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