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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Anything
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Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
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It's ballsy but I'd do it, Girardi is deteriorating and he doesn't fit the transition system AV wants the D to play. McDonagh having to drag Girardi around the ice is getting old.
I keep Stralman, will be cheaper, and Girardi is a much more valuable trade chip.
I somehow want to acquire Cody Ceci from Ottawa. Will be an absolute stud.
Bergeron and Richards are both quite a bit better than Stepan. How you would argue against that I have no idea. Using last years stats from a 48 game season is probably amongst the worst ways to try and make that argument. We just fundamentally disagree on what a 1C needs to provide; 55 points is acceptable to you out of that position but it's not really even close for me
And no, we shouldn't be looking to bring in another player like Stepan. A defensive minded center with a bit of playmaking ability is exactly what we don't need. We need a gamebreaker to stick with Rick Nash
You just proved my point, so thanks. Toews, Kesler, Getzlaf, Stamkos are all elite centers on (according to you) elite teams. Our elite center is Derek Stepan? It's not a surprise we've lost to every single one of those teams this year save for VAN
I don't hate Stepan. I may misguidedly direct frustration towards him because he's playing in a position that he really shouldn't be in, but he's a prototypical 2nd line center on any contending team. The idea of saying he's a 3rd C on certain teams is to show how deep the elite teams in this league really are at Center, while we are severely lacking that bonafide #1 gamebreaker to play with Nash
Did anyone see the Chicago game last night? Patrick Sharp is such a dynamic player, silky smooth with the puck with a wicked shot. I know they're using him as a winger but he IS a center. A guy like that is exactly what we need
Sorry for the double post, but another point to add; I think Sather recognizes that we need an elite Center which is why he made the pass at Richards. Of course like every other FA signing by Sather it's turned to ****, but at least he realizes there's an issue and has tried to address the only way we really can (I'm convinced this team will just never tank)
The Gloaming
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Good call on LA and SJ.
Don't know if regular season Krejci is better than Stepan. Playoff Krejci definitely is though.
The Gloaming
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Did he not specifically say that Stepan ISN'T a 3C?
Or did you just conveniently ignore that part?
And Patrick Sharp is not a center.
My man.. I agreed with his entire post, including the notion that Stepan isn't a 3C. I used Stepan being 3rd on the depth chart in SJ/BOS/LA etc to prove my point that we have no top end talent at the position
The Gloaming
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You haven't proven anything.
But we did the same song and dance last season and Stepan went on a tear and made you look silly. So I'm done with this.
Myself and the poster you just vehemently agreed with are making the same point. How you can disagree with me yet hug his nuts I have no idea.
I guess I missed the part where "tearing Stepan" helped us win 2 games against the Bruins in the playoffs. Oh wait.. that didn't happen. You and Sather would get along, you're both obviously quite happy with mediocrity
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When ALL the elite teams in the league have an elite 70+point 2 way center I'm pretty sure that's the definition of a silver bullet as far as a blueprint for winning
eco's bones
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Problem is Stralman's a much bigger reach than Girardi as a top pairing defenseman. He just doesn't have a body that is cut out for that kind of attrition nor is he good enough offensively to offset it. If we move Girardi then we'll have to find another right side guy--someone who's comfortable there (not Del Zotto or even experimenting with Staal) who can regularly put up 20 minutes of ice time a game. I can see Stralman as a 2nd pair and McIlrath as the third pair but as far as the first pair guy?!!!!? who is that going to be? Girardi on a long term at $5 mil per seems a bit much but the alternative will be trading for some guy who might make around the same or signing a UFA who might make around the same. None of the choices appear to be that good. The Rangers need more offense from their defense as well.
when was the last time that he played center, was he ever a center on the Hawks, was it with the Flyers??. i believe he was a LW on the 2010 and 2013 team that won...
http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8469544 i believe he was drafted as a center..
and to think look at what he was trade for..
PHI trade Sharp with E. Meloche for M. Ellison and a 2006 third-round pick on Dec. 5, 2005.
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Is there something workable around Girardi for Zibanejad? I know Ottawa is a budget team. Maybe we retain 50% this year, and next year Michalek and Phillips are UFAs. Not sure what their plans are with them.
Girardi and Pyatt (both at 50%) for Zib and Gryba? Trade MDZ for Gardiner and have Gardiner play the right side?
This of course assumes that Girardi will re-sign with them.
Girardi and Pyatt (both at 50%) for Zib and Gryba? Trade MDZ for Gardiner and have Gardiner play the right side?
This of course assumes that Girardi will re-sign with them.
eco's bones
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That might work. IMO after the Rangers Girardi being from Ontario is probably most likely to want to play for the Leafs and maybe the Senators next. Might want to try the Del Zotto deal first though.
Bullseyes
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Boston doesn't have an elite 70+ point 2-way center. Bergeron is a great defensive center, but he's basically a ~60 point player and Krejci is a good defensive player (underrated, IMO) but more like a ~65 point player. But they have both Krejci and Bergeron, so that helps and their both still very good players.
Although I agree, having that player makes it a lot easier to win and is generally something that the best teams seem to most times have.
I believe Sharp played center during their cup run in 2010, but I'm not positive.
stepan is an average first line center. 11-25 range amongst centers in the league. just because he isnt crosby malkin or stamkos doesnt make him a 3rd liner. for people *****ing about his production he is second in scoring on the team and hasnt played much with nash so far. im expecting him to take off between kreider and nash.
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If Del Zotto got dealt to Islanders
http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/2...ers-had-a-discussion-about-michael-del-zotto/
id love Matt Martin on this team but of course he had to be drafted by one of the teams i hate.. i love his style of play..
http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/2...ers-had-a-discussion-about-michael-del-zotto/
id love Matt Martin on this team but of course he had to be drafted by one of the teams i hate.. i love his style of play..
Something involving Strome, Nelson, or Okposo or they can take a hike. Might be tempted by Lee + Pulock.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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When did Staple report that the Rangers and Islanders were talking about Del Zotto. I know he wrote a opinion piece that suggested the two should talk.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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Okposo is another Brandon Dubinsky. although maybe this year he might break out.. still not a fan. too inconsistent.. and more of a passer than a goal scorer. Rangers need a more shoot first mentality..
I love Stepan and all he brings to the table, but no matter how you slice it, he is not a legit #1 center.
His skating is just average and that is what keeps him from being a top line center. As he gets to his late twenties (a few years off yet), this will become a bigger issue.
The other problem I have with him as a legit #1 is that he doesn't have something that I define as "presence." Can't really put it into words what I mean, but IMO it keeps him from being that top line player.
Again, I love the guy, want him on our team, and appreciate all he is and all he has done. But, sorry, he is not a #1 type center for a team hoping to compete for the cup.
Been a hockey fan for over 50 years and if there is one truth that I have learned it is that a team is only as strong as it's centers.
One of our biggest problems is at center. Stepan (as above), Richards (as the season goes along his play will deteriorate: he needs to be bought out), Brassard (classic underachiever, now we know why he wore out his welcome with CBJ), Boyle (appreciate him as a top #4 center but when asked to perform as a #3, does not have the offensive tools to do so), Moore (again, a top #4, but has lost the skills he had that made him a #3.
What do we have in the pipeline? Miller (seems more comfortable as a wing, but even if we push him to center and he grows into the position, seems like a #2 at best), Lindberg (a #3 at best, likely a #4).
Sather has tried for years to address our weakness at center through UFAs: witness Drury, Gomez, Richards: none have worked out.
We've developed some good #2s (Stephan, Dubinsky, Anisimov) but used two to trade for an elite winger.
Don't know where we go with this, it is an ongoing problem. But until we come up with a high end, legit #1, we will never seriously contend for the cup, a disturbing thought.
Let's appreciate Stepan for what he is, what he has accomplished, and what he means for this team. But lets look at him realistically.
His skating is just average and that is what keeps him from being a top line center. As he gets to his late twenties (a few years off yet), this will become a bigger issue.
The other problem I have with him as a legit #1 is that he doesn't have something that I define as "presence." Can't really put it into words what I mean, but IMO it keeps him from being that top line player.
Again, I love the guy, want him on our team, and appreciate all he is and all he has done. But, sorry, he is not a #1 type center for a team hoping to compete for the cup.
Been a hockey fan for over 50 years and if there is one truth that I have learned it is that a team is only as strong as it's centers.
One of our biggest problems is at center. Stepan (as above), Richards (as the season goes along his play will deteriorate: he needs to be bought out), Brassard (classic underachiever, now we know why he wore out his welcome with CBJ), Boyle (appreciate him as a top #4 center but when asked to perform as a #3, does not have the offensive tools to do so), Moore (again, a top #4, but has lost the skills he had that made him a #3.
What do we have in the pipeline? Miller (seems more comfortable as a wing, but even if we push him to center and he grows into the position, seems like a #2 at best), Lindberg (a #3 at best, likely a #4).
Sather has tried for years to address our weakness at center through UFAs: witness Drury, Gomez, Richards: none have worked out.
We've developed some good #2s (Stephan, Dubinsky, Anisimov) but used two to trade for an elite winger.
Don't know where we go with this, it is an ongoing problem. But until we come up with a high end, legit #1, we will never seriously contend for the cup, a disturbing thought.
Let's appreciate Stepan for what he is, what he has accomplished, and what he means for this team. But lets look at him realistically.
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