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Raspewtin
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- May 30, 2013
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Scott Hartnell and his contract both suck.
Matt Read is a good but very redundant player.
DZ could fetch much better pieces.
smoneil
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I don't necessarily think that MDZ could bring back a Kane by himself, but in a package as the main piece? Yeah.
My problem with Schenn is that he is just like Del Zotto in every way except one. Young? Check. Lots of potential? Check. Behind great players on the depth chart? Check. My problem is that Schenn is the much bigger risk. We KNOW Del Zotto can produce. He's put up 35+ points (or that pace, regarding the lockout shortened year) in 3 of his 4 years in the league. We can only GUESS/HOPE that Schenn will do more when given more opportunity. That's a gamble. For a guy like MDZ, he has a proven track record. That (plus the fact that he plays a tougher to fill position) should make him much more valuable than Schenn IMO.
smoneil
Registered User
It's hard to say. On these boards, we always try to gauge value in a vacuum, but in real life it always comes down to how much someone else is willing to pay.
My take is that if nobody is willing to pay a price that will significantly improve this team, then there is no point in moving him. He hasn't made a peep about being sat for not being able to play out of position. He's said all the right things. This is not a Nash situation where the player has basically asked out (though I wonder how long that will continue--Dreger's line about how he thinks DZ would welcome the move was pretty telling).
Raspewtin
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Really tough to say because some teams need him more than others.
Desperate teams like Ottawa (man, they've fallen off) could use him more than a team like Minny who, despite needing defense, are playing pretty good. Both teams would like MDZ, but one has a more pressing need than the other.
Someone mentioned a trade that most Ottawa fans were okay with, it was Michalek + Gryba + Ceci/Puempel/Lazar and I would love that trade. Bottom pairing, tough as nails RHD, a temporary top 6 LW, and a really promising prospect (if it were up to me I'd really take either of Lazar or Ceci).
A good package would be a top 6 winger who's just on the cusp of breaking out. Charlie Coyle, Brett Connolly, Jason Zucker, Kyle Palmieri, Brett Ritchie, all these players come to mind. One of those + a RHD, or a pick.
That makes sense. Sometimes the way DZ is talked about here it makes him sound like the worst Dman in the NHL, and what kind of value does a player like that hold? My trade proposal on the last page makes some sense to me. I dont think we are getting an E.Kane or a Yakupov type for DZ, and if we do then those teams must be really desperate.
If we do trade DZ, it needs to be for a young winger, like a Brett Connolly or even a Zucker from Minnesota. Before we do that tho i would like to see him at LD for at least 4-5 games with PP time
Those sound pretty good. I said the same thing in my post just now.
I proposed the trade i did because it gives us some wing support and i think that is the kind of package we will get for DZ. Unless we add a little bit too in a package for a Zucker or a Connolly but i dont think the NYR wanna add
I Eat Crow
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I'm with you. The defenseman has more value than a forward, all things being equal.
There's a very slim chance the Rangers deal with Philly anyway, I'm just posting for the sake of debate. Ottawa, Colorado, Minnesota, and Winnipeg are much more likely trading partners.
Raspewtin
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Just a random point but I just don't see the potential in Schenn.
He's done nothing spectacular and he's been in the league three years now. Obviously a small sample size and he's having an okay season now, but I just don't see the Mike Richards 2.0 everyone pegged him to be.
MUCH rather have Couturier than Schenn.
He's done nothing spectacular and he's been in the league three years now. Obviously a small sample size and he's having an okay season now, but I just don't see the Mike Richards 2.0 everyone pegged him to be.
MUCH rather have Couturier than Schenn.
Inferno
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LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
He brings nothing to the table offensively. We have enough guys who can't score already.
Raspewtin
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But we wouldn't be buying low. If we were able to snag him for a 1st that would be buying low.
I just see better options for a trade.
I Eat Crow
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Savant
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If you think he is a 3rd liner, how are you going to feel about signing him for over 5 million a year?
smoneil
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Cally's a weird player. He doesn't really fit anybody's definition of a 1st/2nd/3rd liner. He's more physical than most first liners. He puts up more production than any third liner.
He's a guy who is best utilized playing on the 3rd line (energy line) for 5 on 5, but also getting special teams play (which is where most of his production comes from anyways).
He's got to be one of the only players I've seen who almost always looks WORSE when playing with more talented line-mates. He's goofy that way, and I hope he stays a Ranger for the rest of his career.
StepansLabyrinth
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I just posted in the "Lines Thread" that we could probably use another center. That way we can move Richards back to wing, where he was really playing well earlier this year. There are some guys that could be had for cheap and wouldn't cost any real prospects.
David Legwand: 4.5, UFA. Nashville isn't likely to go anywhere this season but Legwand has been great for them this season. A veteran that doesn't fit in their long-term plans.
Rich Peverley: 3.375, two years left. Dallas is better than their record but Peverley might not be in their long term plans. Pretty manageable contract, could play anywhere in lineup.
Olli Jokinen: 4.5, UFA. The name alone might scare some people off but if you have Jokinen playing 3rd line center, you're in pretty good shape. He's overpaid but a UFA so there's little to no risk, in all honesty.
Matt Stajan: 3.5, UFA. Another guy that could be had for almost nothing and can pass the puck. Calgary isn't very good but he has 9 P in 13 g. 5 of his 6 assists are primary.
If you run out Richards-Brassard-Nash, Kreider-Stepan-Zuke on the first two lines, you can take one of these guys and put them between Callahan and Hagelin on the third. You'd see a lot of chances on all three lines. You'd only have to give a B-prospect or maybe even just Boyle for a team who would like to re-sign him (and not pay him much this season).
If Colorado falls off, they'll probably shop Stastny. He would be more expensive and cost more prospects. He's a 1C, though, and cold move Brassard to that 3C spot.
David Legwand: 4.5, UFA. Nashville isn't likely to go anywhere this season but Legwand has been great for them this season. A veteran that doesn't fit in their long-term plans.
Rich Peverley: 3.375, two years left. Dallas is better than their record but Peverley might not be in their long term plans. Pretty manageable contract, could play anywhere in lineup.
Olli Jokinen: 4.5, UFA. The name alone might scare some people off but if you have Jokinen playing 3rd line center, you're in pretty good shape. He's overpaid but a UFA so there's little to no risk, in all honesty.
Matt Stajan: 3.5, UFA. Another guy that could be had for almost nothing and can pass the puck. Calgary isn't very good but he has 9 P in 13 g. 5 of his 6 assists are primary.
If you run out Richards-Brassard-Nash, Kreider-Stepan-Zuke on the first two lines, you can take one of these guys and put them between Callahan and Hagelin on the third. You'd see a lot of chances on all three lines. You'd only have to give a B-prospect or maybe even just Boyle for a team who would like to re-sign him (and not pay him much this season).
If Colorado falls off, they'll probably shop Stastny. He would be more expensive and cost more prospects. He's a 1C, though, and cold move Brassard to that 3C spot.
Miller Time NYR
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Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Yes a dillion times.
This is the deal I want to see made, not sure it gets done as a 1 for 1 swap.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
Pretty much.
He should be a ranger for life but he's in over his head when he's asked to play with talented players. At the same time, some of the most effective lines can have a spot for a guy like cally.
He does miss some glorious chances though due to hands that really aren't top line pedigree
The Gloaming
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Who do you think would have to add? I'd like a depth defenseman to come back in the deal too.
Beer League Sniper
Homeless Man's Rick Nash
I'd do MDZ and a good prospect (someone like Fast) for Zibanejad and Gryba. Gryba is a bottom-pair RHD, only 25, and is RFA at the end of this year. Don't know if OTT does that deal, though. It probably depends on how they value Fast.
pld459666
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