Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part IV: Yak Yak Yak Yak

[Gardner McKay]

Cally is at best a very good 3rd liner on a top team. He's my favorite ranger but let's not oversell the guy. He's 100% effort no doubt but talent wise, he's a 3rd liner on a good team.

The fact that some here want him on line 1 speaks volumes about our lack of offensive talent.

I see a lot of people say this... but name me 5 very good teams that he would be a 3rd liner on?

 

[The Gloaming]

I see a lot of people say this... but name me 5 very good teams that he would be a 3rd liner on?

Boston, Chicago, pens, Sharks, blues?

 

[Trxjw]

We need more soft pass-first players with injury history!

He's neither soft, nor a pass-first player. Not exactly sure where you're coming up with that.

 

[The Gloaming]

He's neither soft, nor a pass-first player. Not exactly sure where you're coming up with that.

Don't like Perron, sorry.

Also, don't see what DZ does for the Oilers. Doesn't help them defensively, and they already have J. Schultz for offense. They need a tough DFD over there.

 

[Glennsoe]

Found at another messageboard;

6:58PM: On TSN‘s Insider Trading, Darren Dreger said that Michael Del Zotto is “not having a good year. He is playing well behind McDonagh and Staal on the left side so he is the third pair defensemen. He could probably embrace a change and we are told that at least 5 or 6 teams have inquired about trade scenarios.”

Pierre LeBrun says that he thinks one of those teams is the Ottawa Senators and that Del Zotto is one of the players they are looking at who is a puck moving defenseman.

It was reported last week that Del Zotto’s name was circulating around the league.

 

[Blueblood 2]

Don't like Perron, sorry.

Also, don't see what DZ does for the Oilers. Doesn't help them defensively, and they already have J. Schultz for offense. They need a tough DFD over there.

Oilers are not going to get everything they need in one player. DZ would be a huge plus for them as they have two lines with skilled forwards that need someone to get them the puck in transition. DZ is also more than adequate defensively. He would also fit nicely, age wise, with their stars. I don't want to lose Brian Boyle but if you include him in the deal for Yak the Oilers would be on their way.

 

[Ail]

Who do you think would have to add? I'd like a depth defenseman to come back in the deal too.

I think both sides from a fan perspective think the other team has to add. I feel like it would involve a pick swap like 2nd for a 3rd or maybe prospects or AHL depth.

 

[Trxjw]

Schenn would be an upgrade right away, and he still has tremendous potential. He can hit, scrap, score, and create plays. He's also a very good player in his own zone. He fits the mold of the team perfectly. At least the "skilled and hard to play against" mold I keep hearing about. He's played a season and a half of NHL hockey. Hardly trending towards a bust by any means. He also turns up his game in the post-season. He also has the potential to solidify the center position for the remainder of the season and beyond.

I get that guys like Zibanejad and Coyle are "hot" right now, but in reality, neither player has accomplished more than Schenn has at this level, or any level for that matter.

 

[Trxjw]

Don't like Perron, sorry.

Also, don't see what DZ does for the Oilers. Doesn't help them defensively, and they already have J. Schultz for offense. They need a tough DFD over there.

You can not like him, but at least base it off of things that are actually factual.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

With Michael Handzus on the IR would the Hawks be interested in Brian Boyle?? Maybe something along the lines of Brian Boyle someone like Fast for Ryan Hartman and Jeremy Morin.. Hawks get a checking center and a young prospect.. Rangers get two american prospects, Hartman was on the US team in 2010-2011 with JT Miller and Brady Skjei. Jeremy Morin is one of those prospects that is close to making the NHL but is in an organization with a lot of prospect depth..

 

[pld459666]

Don't like Perron, sorry.

Also, don't see what DZ does for the Oilers. Doesn't help them defensively, and they already have J. Schultz for offense. They need a tough DFD over there.

you are entitled not to like the player, but don't mis-charachterize the player to decline the deal.

take it with a grain of salt, but this is the Hockey News scouting report on Perron:

Is a great dangler with the puck and very creative. Can play on either side of center and excels in open space. Gritty and full of character, he's both a finisher and an excellent playmaker.

http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6066

Even without last nights 4 point game, Perron was on pace for 21 goals and 56 points over 78 games.

Putting him on a line with Richards and Nash would be awesome.

Perron - Richards - Nash
Kreider - Stepan - Zuccs
Hagelin - Brassard - Callahan

that would be a VERY solid top 9

 

[The Gloaming]

I wouldn't be mad if we got Perron, i just think that we can do better. No one denying his talent level.

 

[NYR Viper]

Schenn would be an upgrade right away, and he still has tremendous potential. He can hit, scrap, score, and create plays. He's also a very good player in his own zone. He fits the mold of the team perfectly. At least the "skilled and hard to play against" mold I keep hearing about. He's played a season and a half of NHL hockey. Hardly trending towards a bust by any means. He also turns up his game in the post-season. He also has the potential to solidify the center position for the remainder of the season and beyond.

I get that guys like Zibanejad and Coyle are "hot" right now, but in reality, neither player has accomplished more than Schenn has at this level, or any level for that matter.

Schenn is going to be a very good 50-60 point power forward center in this league. I'd love to add him. I doubt he is moved...

Zibanejad and Coyle are close seconds for me, along with Connolly who I would also like quite a bit.

With Michael Handzus on the IR would the Hawks be interested in Brian Boyle?? Maybe something along the lines of Brian Boyle someone like Fast for Ryan Hartman and Jeremy Morin.. Hawks get a checking center and a young prospect.. Rangers get two american prospects, Hartman was on the US team in 2010-2011 with JT Miller and Brady Skjei. Jeremy Morin is one of those prospects that is close to making the NHL but is in an organization with a lot of prospect depth..

I doubt they move (2) high profile prospects for Boyle and another prospect in Fast.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind moving Boyle if the return was great but the guy fills his role well on this team. Unless it's an overpyament (ala Hartman or Morin) I would probably pass).

 

[Orr Nightmare]

Found at another messageboard;

Jared Cowan for Del Zaster straight up

 

[Ola]

Found at another messageboard;

Thanks!

Hard to see Ottawa being a good trading partner for us. I doubt this is the same among GMs and scouts, but MDZ value has been faling lately for no reason IMHO. If Staal gets a concussion in the next game, I think MDZ is right back instantly where he left when Staal got back, if not even better under AV. He is screwed at RW/3rd pairing. Ottawa definitely knows that he is a very good hockey player.

But, the only player that sticks out for them as being attractive for us is Mika Zibanejad. I see no reason for them to move him. I don't think he is extremely valuble, and he really gives us something we would need (that true right handed sniper shot, he is good in the, think AO, sniper role on the PP), but he isn't extremely talented overall. But I mean, why give up on him now even if the return is good? Teams just never seem to do that.

Could we add to MDZ? Seems like Miller would have to be involved on our part, but then we definitely must get something back and good only knows how high Ottawa's first will be. And like a package of MDZ and Miller for Z and say Ottawas 1st this or next year, their choice, is a heck of a lot to give up on our part. Z is not really proven in the NHL. He could like end up falling, while I don't think that will happen.

But who knows how good of a impression MDZ has made on Ottawa. Zibanejad for MDZ would be really good for us.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Schenn is going to be a very good 50-60 point power forward center in this league. I'd love to add him. I doubt he is moved...

Zibanejad and Coyle are close seconds for me, along with Connolly who I would also like quite a bit.



I doubt they move (2) high profile prospects for Boyle and another prospect in Fast.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind moving Boyle if the return was great but the guy fills his role well on this team. Unless it's an overpyament (ala Hartman or Morin) I would probably pass).

id love if Sather can snag a Hartman type of player at the deadline.. Rangers need scoring but they also need skill with grit up front that can play in the top 9.......


Hartman has compared himself to Mike Richards of the Los Angeles Kings. His two-way play, checking, and ability to score are reminiscent of Richards’ style of play. Another player I liken him to is New York Rangers forward, Ryan Callahan - See more at: http://thehockeywriters.com/ryan-ha...-draft-prospect-profile/#sthash.R3wAWyTR.dpuf

 

[Ola]

Schenn would be an upgrade right away, and he still has tremendous potential. He can hit, scrap, score, and create plays. He's also a very good player in his own zone. He fits the mold of the team perfectly. At least the "skilled and hard to play against" mold I keep hearing about. He's played a season and a half of NHL hockey. Hardly trending towards a bust by any means. He also turns up his game in the post-season. He also has the potential to solidify the center position for the remainder of the season and beyond.

I get that guys like Zibanejad and Coyle are "hot" right now, but in reality, neither player has accomplished more than Schenn has at this level, or any level for that matter.

I don't really has the best track of Coyle, but Schenn is established and it would take alot for me to pass on him.

If you are trying to build a contender. I think its going to take a little while, say 3-4 years with things going your way, before you get a really effective player in Zibanejad. He is still a really young kid. I don't think he is like the easiest player to plug into the lineup today even.

Brayden Schenn is there already basically.

 

[NYR Viper]

Jared Cowan for Del Zaster straight up

That would not be a good trade. The Rangers don't need another defensive d-man.

Thanks!

Hard to see Ottawa being a good trading partner for us. I doubt this is the same among GMs and scouts, but MDZ value has been faling lately for no reason IMHO. If Staal gets a concussion in the next game, I think MDZ is right back instantly where he left when Staal got back, if not even better under AV. He is screwed at RW/3rd pairing. Ottawa definitely knows that he is a very good hockey player.

But, the only player that sticks out for them as being attractive for us is Mika Zibanejad. I see no reason for them to move him. I don't think he is extremely valuble, and he really gives us something we would need (that true right handed sniper shot, he is good in the, think AO, sniper role on the PP), but he isn't extremely talented overall. But I mean, why give up on him now even if the return is good? Teams just never seem to do that.

Could we add to MDZ? Seems like Miller would have to be involved on our part, but then we definitely must get something back and good only knows how high Ottawa's first will be. And like a package of MDZ and Miller for Z and say Ottawas 1st this or next year, their choice, is a heck of a lot to give up on our part. Z is not really proven in the NHL. He could like end up falling, while I don't think that will happen.

But who knows how good of a impression MDZ has made on Ottawa. Zibanejad for MDZ would be really good for us.

I would think Zibanejad would have to be in play. Puck movers hold high value around the league. Especially at 23 years old. What has Zibanejad proven in the NHL?

id love if Sather can snag a Hartman type of player at the deadline.. Rangers need scoring but they also need skill with grit up front that can play in the top 9.......


Hartman has compared himself to Mike Richards of the Los Angeles Kings. His two-way play, checking, and ability to score are reminiscent of Richards’ style of play. Another player I liken him to is New York Rangers forward, Ryan Callahan - See more at: http://thehockeywriters.com/ryan-ha...-draft-prospect-profile/#sthash.R3wAWyTR.dpuf

I like Hartman a lot, but I doubt they move him for a 3rd/4th line center.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't really has the best track of Coyle, but Schenn is established and it would take alot for me to pass on him.

If you are trying to build a contender. I think its going to take a little while, say 3-4 years with things going your way, before you get a really effective player in Zibanejad. He is still a really young kid. I don't think he is like the easiest player to plug into the lineup today even.

Brayden Schenn is there already basically.

Schenn, Zib, Coyle or Connolly. Leaning more towards the first 3.

All would add size, speed and skill to the top-9 and future top-6.

I do have to say that I saw Kreider in his final year of eligibility for the WJC's. He was not playing in the exhibition game and he was walking around with Coyle. Kreider was huge at 19 years old. Coyle was not much smaller. The kid is very strong.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I'm not saying this to start trouble or because I'm Captain Grump lately just an honest question;

Why are peopleon this board so willing to trade Fast two months into his North American career and especially now with him out until around Christmas?

Fast for Cammeleri? No.

Injury concerns? Are current Captain was injured the first two years of his pro career.

"You have to give to get?" I don't buy it.

I guy like Dorsett is expendable, you never know what happens with Cally.

Prospects like Fast, Lindberg, Kristo, Skjei, those are ones you hold onto UNLESS you're a Cup contender and this team a Cup contender?

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm not saying this to start trouble or because I'm Captain Grump lately just an honest question;

Why are peopleon this board so willing to trade Fast two months into his North American career and especially now with him out until around Christmas?

Fast for Cammeleri? No.

Injury concerns? Are current Captain was injured the first two years of his pro career.

"You have to give to get?" I don't buy it.

I guy like Dorsett is expendable, you never know what happens with Cally.

Prospects like Fast, Lindberg, Kristo, Skjei, those are ones you hold onto UNLESS you're a Cup contender and this team a Cup contender?

There aren't enough spots for everyone. The time to pick and choose is coming up soon.

Zuccarello
Stepan
Nash
Callahan
Hagelin
Brassard
Fast
Miller
Kreider
Lindberg
Hrivik
Kristo
Dorsett
Boyle

Boyle and Callahan are UFA's at years end. Kreider looks to have solidified himself. Same with Zuccarello. Nash, Callahan (assuming he is back) and Hagelin are legit top-6 wingers. Stepan is a top-6 center.

That leaves (2) 3rd line wing spots and a top-6 center spot (assuming Brassard is the 3c).

Fast
Miller
Lindberg
Kristo
Hrivik

Dorsett is a solid 4th liner. Boyle is a UFA. Long term option?

Maybe the Rangers add Hrivik to Del Zotto to try and pry away Zibanejad + Gryba or a prospect? Hrivik is a big body who projects as a 3rd liner. Strong on the puck. Close to NHL ready.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

There aren't enough spots for everyone. The time to pick and choose is coming up soon.

Zuccarello
Stepan
Nash
Callahan
Hagelin
Brassard
Fast
Miller
Kreider
Lindberg
Hrivik
Kristo
Dorsett
Boyle

Boyle and Callahan are UFA's at years end. Kreider looks to have solidified himself. Same with Zuccarello. Nash, Callahan (assuming he is back) and Hagelin are legit top-6 wingers. Stepan is a top-6 center.

That leaves (2) 3rd line wing spots and a top-6 center spot (assuming Brassard is the 3c).

Fast
Miller
Lindberg
Kristo
Hrivik

Dorsett is a solid 4th liner. Boyle is a UFA. Long term option?

Maybe the Rangers add Hrivik to Del Zotto to try and pry away Zibanejad + Gryba or a prospect? Hrivik is a big body who projects as a 3rd liner. Strong on the puck. Close to NHL ready.

Some of those guys are expendable and it's not always about this year what about long term? What if Cally leaves? Nash gets reinjured?

Boyle, Dorsett, Brassard are all huge question marks in the future. Moore and Pyatt are gone, and there's no guarantee in two years that Duclair, Buchnevich, and Nieves all take NHL spots right away.

 

[Trxjw]

I don't really has the best track of Coyle, but Schenn is established and it would take alot for me to pass on him.

If you are trying to build a contender. I think its going to take a little while, say 3-4 years with things going your way, before you get a really effective player in Zibanejad. He is still a really young kid. I don't think he is like the easiest player to plug into the lineup today even.

Brayden Schenn is there already basically.

I like Coyle, but he's a guy who has great hands in and around the net, and is great along the boards. He's not an open-ice presence the way Schenn, or even Zibanejad can be.

Schenn and Zibanejad project to be similar players. In this case, I agree that this team ought to target the guy who is a little bit further along in development.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

With every game DZ sits it seems more and more likely that he gets traded, no? I mean, healthy scratching a guy that can be an asset in a trade seems like a waste doesn't it?

 

[NYR Viper]

I wonder what the Rangers could get for Brassard if he was shopped.

The Bruins in the off-season moved Seguin and Peverly for Eriksson, Fraser, Morrow and Reilly.

Reilly and Eriksson are on the Bruins now. Morrow has moved around quite a bit but he looks like he will be a NHL d-man with size. Fraser is going to be a very good power forward who likes to hit and create havoc. He is very close to NHL ready as well.

Let's break down the deal.

Seguin for Eriksson + Reilly?

Seguin for Eriksson + Morrow?

Peverly returned a good portion of that. Could Brassard return the same? Fraser + Reilly/Morrow?

Future 3rd/2nd line winger with some skill and speed and a future 3rd/2nd line power forward? Sign me up.