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-31- said:
I can confirm this. You wanted to trade for him and keep Stepan as the third line center.

But I don't remember it as simply Pyatt for Jokinen. I thought there was a 2nd round pick involved. Can someone look this up?
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I honestly don't even remember my proposal at the time. It needs to be taken in context though. Stepan of then was not the Stepan of now. He had been struggling mightily for a large sample of games (prior to and throughout the 2012 playoffs and ~13 games into the next season). This was also before we got Brassard/Moore so our depth at C looked a lot different.

Kwayry said:
Terrible idea. And would like to throw in a 2nd? :facepalm:
I am positive that if this trade actually happens, you would be among those bashing Sather in a couple of years for trading away youth for aging vets.



I believe it was Boyle + 3rd.
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You do realize that if FLA is eating 3mil per of Campbell's salary (as the proposal states) that there a going to be a ton of teams trying to get him?

I do understand the infatuation with young players. I do. But you have to give to get and it's not like MDZ is the next coming of Leetch. 5 seasons in I think we can pretty much say he is what he is. Campbell is better than MDZ in every facet of the game. He's still one of the top OFDs in the game putting up solid numbers on a truly terrible team. I can only imagine how he could play with Staal covering for him and Lundqvist in net.

In all honesty though this is a move a contender makes. I would definitely wait until the deadline to see where we're at. If we're firing on all cylinders with Nash back I make this move 10 times out of 10 as a legitimate OFD is a glaring need on this team IMO. And I think he would play exceptional here.. this isn't Derek Morris we're talking about
 
WojtekGoalski said:
I honestly don't even remember my proposal at the time. It needs to be taken in context though. Stepan of then was not the Stepan of now. He had been struggling mightily for a large sample of games (prior to and throughout the 2012 playoffs and ~13 games into the next season). This was also before we got Brassard/Moore so our depth at C looked a lot different.
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He was struggling. The vast majority of the board was able to keep a decent about of perspective though.
 
-31- said:
He was struggling. The vast majority of the board was able to keep a decent about of perspective though.
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Agreed. My perspective at the time was that we were a contender that was a little bit of offense short of getting over the hump. Jokinen was a player with obvious offensive ability (and low value at the time) that could have been had without blowing up the team which was why I targeted him. Also very versatile, can play all 3 forward positions and is decent in his own end.

Either way it's moot now. I did feel like crying though during that game against PIT last year when he sniped Hank and then scored the SO winner :shakehead


McDonagh Girardi
Staal Campbell
Moore Stralman

:amazed:

That has to be one of the top 3 D groups in the league, if it ever happened
 
-31- said:
He was struggling. The vast majority of the board was able to keep a decent about of perspective though.
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The vast majority of the board was too busy trying to count the number of times Boyle's ass hits the ground to notice Stepan's struggles.

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WojtekGoalski said:
Agreed. My perspective at the time was that we were a contender that was a little bit of offense short of getting over the hump. Jokinen was a player with obvious offensive ability (and low value at the time) that could have been had without blowing up the team which was why I targeted him. Also very versatile, can play all 3 forward positions and is decent in his own end.

Either way it's moot now. I did feel like crying though during that game against PIT last year when he sniped Hank and then scored the SO winner :shakehead


McDonagh Girardi
Staal Campbell
Moore Stralman

:amazed:

That has to be one of the top 3 D groups in the league, if it ever happened
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He is 34 years old. His contract runs through 2015-2016. Campbell is not in that class of defenseman that continues to thrive late into his 30's nor do you pay him as such (even at $4 million per year). We have other players to re-sign. If we are going to add more to the cap it has to be for maximum value. A 35/36 year old defenseman at $4 million per year is not maximum value, no matter how you try to slice it. He just scored his first two goals of the season tonight (one a fluke).

The rangers have to re-sign Callahan, Henrik, and potentially Girardi. They probably will not re-sign Pyatt. Depending on play, they will have to make decisions on Boyle, D.Moore, Pouliot, and Stralman.

They have so many roster needs, Campbell's cap hit would not benefit this organization not to mention he is getting OLD. This team isn't a cup contender. Campbell, if traded, would go to a cup contender.
 
RGY said:
He is 34 years old. His contract runs through 2015-2016. Campbell is not in that class of defenseman that continues to thrive late into his 30's nor do you pay him as such (even at $4 million per year). We have other players to re-sign. If we are going to add more to the cap it has to be for maximum value. A 35/36 year old defenseman at $4 million per year is not maximum value, no matter how you try to slice it. He just scored his first two goals of the season tonight (one a fluke).

The rangers have to re-sign Callahan, Henrik, and potentially Girardi. They probably will not re-sign Pyatt. Depending on play, they will have to make decisions on Boyle, D.Moore, Pouliot, and Stralman.

They have so many roster needs, Campbell's cap hit would not benefit this organization not to mention he is getting OLD. This team isn't a cup contender. Campbell, if traded, would go to a cup contender.
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Did you mention he is old?
 
Kwayry said:
Did you mention he is old?
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Campbell makes just $600K less than Shea Weber. And he makes $600K more than Erik Karlsson. He is overpaid drastically imo. And the discussion has all been a hypothetical. There is no way Florida eats $3 million in salary. They aren't in any rush to trade him. It isn't his contract year and the Panthers payroll is 30th in the league at a whopping $13 million. That's just crazy.
 
RGY said:
Campbell makes just $600K less than Shea Weber. And he makes $600K more than Erik Karlsson. He is overpaid drastically imo. And the discussion has all been a hypothetical. There is no way Florida eats $3 million in salary. They aren't in any rush to trade him. It isn't his contract year and the Panthers payroll is 30th in the league at a whopping $13 million. That's just crazy.
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The cap is going up next year. I'm not really worried about Campbell @ $4M per. The guy can still absolutely play. Also I have no idea what you mean when you say Florida's payroll is $13 million. Maybe I'm reading into it wrong but capgeek has them at $51 mil

Again like I said.. if we're rolling at the deadline this makes sense. If we're not then it doesn't. There's no sense trading for a player that makes us better this year and next if we're a bubble team come the deadline
 
Sick Rash said:
What about Rangers/Predators?

What about:

Kevin Klein
Filip Forsberg (since he's on the outs reportedly)

For

Michael Del Zotto
Taylor Pyatt
Ryan Bourque
Third Rounder
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where did you hear about Forsberg being available??

id take that and run.. but switch Klein to Mattias Ekholm?? Klein is a #6 depth dman at best. id rather take a chance on a defensive prospect.
 
Del Zotto for Brian Campbell…..good lord is that just one awful, awful idea. The "Jump to Conclusions Mat" of HFBoards proposals.
 
Punxrocknyc19 said:
where did you hear about Forsberg being available??

id take that and run.. but switch Klein to Mattias Ekholm?? Klein is a #6 depth dman at best. id rather take a chance on a defensive prospect.
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I would be very concerned if two teams bailed on a prospect like Forsberg in less than two years. Would raise some red flags for me. Maybe Ryan Ellis instead of Klein also.

Would be odd to look at a trade with Nashville to add offense.
 
Punxrocknyc19 said:
where did you hear about Forsberg being available??

id take that and run.. but switch Klein to Mattias Ekholm?? Klein is a #6 depth dman at best. id rather take a chance on a defensive prospect.
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Klein is a solid #4. Watched him a lot when I lived in Nashville. That being said, if we are trading DZ, then I'd rather have Ellis.
 
Sick Rash said:
What about Rangers/Predators?

What about:

Kevin Klein
Filip Forsberg (since he's on the outs reportedly)

For

Michael Del Zotto
Taylor Pyatt
Ryan Bourque
Third Rounder
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A team that is desperate for offensive talent isn't going to deal a 19 y/o prospect like Forsberg. I don't see why they'd deal Klein either. Ellis maybe, but I'd want Ellis+ and there isn't a whole lot of "+" available from Nashville that I'd be interested in.
 
Grind Jam Grind said:
Yeah...no. Kevin Klein is a top 4 defenseman.
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I though Klein was over 30, but upon closer inspection I would rather take Klein back than any of their other possibly available defenseman. If you can get Klein and one of their young depth forwards, (unless you can get Forsberg who while I have my reservations about, would be a great return), for Del Zotto and filler, I am all aboard. I think Nashville could be a fit for Del Zotto too.
 
I heard that a couple of NHL teams were thinking about signing Colin Suellentrop of the OHL's Oshawa Generals. The 20-year-old defenceman was drafted in 2011 by Philadelphia, which decided against signing him. Suellentrop then went unclaimed last June, although he did attend Montreal's rookie camp. He's from Florida, which makes the Panthers a possibility. But it's also believed the New York Rangers are looking at him. He's worked hard to improve his skating and might be a classic late-bloomer.
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http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/ho...ghts-wild-prosper-from-playing-puck-more.html

You can never have enough defensemen.
 
A proposal if the idea of Lundqvist not re-signing with us is at all possible.
Lundqvist to Anaheim for:

Bryan Allen
Emerson Etem
Jakob Silfverberg
John Gibson

Allen is an older veteran defensive presence that can solidify the bottom pairing
Etem + Silfverberg are young wingers with a high upside that can play anywhere in the lineup
Gibson is probably the top goaltending prospect in the world right now.

Of course, that's if Anaheim would even accept the deal. Their defense would take a major hit, and Gibson is regarded as their goaltender of the future. However, Frederik Andersen has definitely made a statement that HE should be their future goalie.

This also frees up a LOT of cap space. If there are concerns about Nash's long-term health, you buy him out at the end of the year and that would create ~$12mil in extra cap you wouldn't have had without this trade. You can sign a short-term option like Halak to fill in for 2-3 years if you're not comfortable with where Gibson is right now (although I think he's already ready for NHL duty).
 
petejudge said:
A proposal if the idea of Lundqvist not re-signing with us is at all possible.
Lundqvist to Anaheim for:

Bryan Allen
Emerson Etem
Jakob Silfverberg
John Gibson

Allen is an older veteran defensive presence that can solidify the bottom pairing
Etem + Silfverberg are young wingers with a high upside that can play anywhere in the lineup
Gibson is probably the top goaltending prospect in the world right now.

Of course, that's if Anaheim would even accept the deal. Their defense would take a major hit, and Gibson is regarded as their goaltender of the future. However, Frederik Andersen has definitely made a statement that HE should be their future goalie.

This also frees up a LOT of cap space. If there are concerns about Nash's long-term health, you buy him out at the end of the year and that would create ~$12mil in extra cap you wouldn't have had without this trade. You can sign a short-term option like Halak to fill in for 2-3 years if you're not comfortable with where Gibson is right now (although I think he's already ready for NHL duty).
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Doesn't anaheim already have enough goalies? Add in the fact that Lundqvist is a FA at the end of the year and I don't see how it makes sense for them to give up that much for the possibility of lundqvist leaving in a few months
 
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