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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part II (Mod warning post #861)
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I'm not sold on yak, he has plenty of areas that needs fine tuning..
Work ethic and anything other than scoring here and there..
But he's fun to watch on the ice, despite all that..
I imagine EDM want either Girardi or MDZ +++ for him..
Work ethic and anything other than scoring here and there..
But he's fun to watch on the ice, despite all that..
I imagine EDM want either Girardi or MDZ +++ for him..
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Put me down with this as well. With the way he is playing, no way I'm moving him for Yak.
Great point and I agree.
I don't think any of these abilities stick out for Yakubov.
Defense: Underrated. He works hard and goes hard after the puck. Flaws? You bet, but not that big of a worry for a young kid.
Work-ethic: Overall, probably really good. The kid obviously has a tremendous drive and must work out extremely hard to be as skilled as he is. He is hardly a floater on the ice.
Mentality: Some reason for concern. Given that its a hockey player we are talking about, his attitude could possibly be qualified as a big negative.
Show boat. Very star focused. Big head.
How this will play out, I think solely depends on where he ends up, how well he plays and how he is threated. If he can't really meet his expectations and media/fans/coaches/brass in his club starts to pressure him, it could be a recipe for disaster. He he plays really well, I don't have any reason for concern. In between good or bad? I think it comes down to the city he is in. His teammates etc.
Bottom line, I think Nail got much fewer question marks than Kovalchuk. Kova had a bigger head and bigger flaws than Yakubov. And Kova was loved in Atlanta, and the moment he wound up on a slightly better team he took that team to the Stanley Cup finals by himself. Pat Kane is a player in Chicago that seem to have some issues to for sure. I hardly think Kane is all that much better than Nail. OTOH, I think there is a bigger risk with Nail Yakupov than Kane and Kovalchuk, because Nail is not quite as good as those two. And its when these players starts to struggle that there are reason for concern, as we have seen over the years.
The big risk with Yakupov is definitely the KHL. And then its a great minus that you have to pay him so darn much instantly when he becomes a RFA.
I agree, but I like that he got alot of potential to become a really good PP player. He is a great passer and a good shooter, and he got the really modern really quick puck handling ability that is the trademark of any good PP. I really really think a PP with Yaks down low on the right side and BR up on the right point could have alot of potential.
Then I think Yaks is a bit overrated 5 on 5. He is small and not extremely fast, he is extremely quick feets, but he isn't the type that constantly is flying the length of the ice.
Or he asked him 6 days ago when Kreider was still a bust...
I think you gotta lean towards moving Kreider for Yakupov no doubt. Its so easy now to say that we need Kreider, but wait till we start to get up there as a contender but -- like so many others -- falls short because we don't have quite the elite talent that the best team haves, and that talent like it often does seem completely impossible to get. Like how often can you get a really talented player? You are lucky to get one every ten years.
For all that Kreider is doing right now, he seems to play out as a 2nd-3rd line winger who can pop around 40 pts. My point is just, I have a hard time seing us "not" being able to replace Kreider if we are willing to pay 3.5-4.5m on the UFA market. We could be forced to wait a long time for a kid as talented as Yaks.
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That is a pretty strong thing to say.
I understand Kreider is in good form right now. It doesn't mean he's back to being an immovable asset again.
Kreider is a guy thats just starting to get it. I don't think it'd be a good idea to let him go for a question mark.
Ail
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I'd rather ride Kreider out right now. He looks like he is finally getting it. No way I trade him for Yokopov.
Trading Kreider would eliminate a very strong prospect from a very weak organizational position. Yakupov would be another RW when we already have Nash and Callahan in the fold. Outside of Hagelin, it's essentially Kreider and not much else anytime soon. I guess you could add Miller to that list, but he's yet to establish himself as a viable NHL option.
In terms of straight value, Kreider isn't as valuable as a former #1 overall pick, but this team needs to operate within the constraints of what it has at it's disposal. No more of these deals for "talent" that winds up shifting the roster all over the place. Especially when you're talking about an unproven commodity.
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They think a number of proposals are "fair," including Yakupov for Girardi + Stepan, Yak for McD+, Girardi for Hemsky, etc. They also think McIlrath, a 21 year old, is a "bust."
And most of this board thinks we can acquire a 20 year old #1 pick for Michael Del Zotto and a prospect. Don't act like this stuff isnt perpetuated by both sides.
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"I'm going to play my game. I'm not going to change but maybe play better without the puck, or forecheck more, but I love playing with the puck. I really don't like skating all the time, and forechecking, and hitting somebody every shift. I don't think it's my game."
source:http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/10/16/4844470/nail-yakupov-rumors-edmonton-oilers
judging by the game we play, dont know if Yakupov is the best person for this team.
source:http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/10/16/4844470/nail-yakupov-rumors-edmonton-oilers
judging by the game we play, dont know if Yakupov is the best person for this team.
Tawnos
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One thing I've learned paying attention to this stuff is that journalists tend to be good at seeing smoke, but are almost always wrong about where the fire is.
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smoneil
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Del Zotto and a prospect is a pretty fair offer for a guy who has come right out and said that he refuses to do anything but float. If you recall, we've had bad luck with such players in the past. I wouldn't trade MDZ and a prospect for a more talented version of Brendl. When a player refuses to work, having tons of talent means only one thing--he's willing to waste tons of talent.
I agree with the crux of what you are saying, but Yakupov has much more value than what you are leading on -- and I don't think a deal with MDZ as the centerpiece would come close to getting it done.
Del zotto too 4 dman former first rounder and say miller? Former first rounder solid prospect is enough for a underachieving former top pick when edm has a surplus of them
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Sounds like Gaborik.
I definitely think he the potential to be like Gaborik...he really has the complete skillset in terms of goal scoring. Great speed, wicked release, sweet hands...Kid's still only 20 and had a tremendous rookie season on a pathetic team. I think he'd fit in well here. This team creates a ton of chances but has no finish whatsoever. Yakupov does. He'd slide right in and be able to do his thing.
Depends on which Del Zotto they think they're getting. Is it the Del Zotto that was stellar when Staal originally went out with a concussion? He was top-pairing material at that point. What we've had since then has been less than stellar, but certainly not as bad as many people make it seem. He's as much of a victim of depth as he is of his own inconsistency, IMO.
Howson has loved Del Zotto for a long time as well. I think everything points to this being a bit more than just some baseless speculation by fans and the media, but I'd be very leery about acquiring Yakupov.
smoneil
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Fair enough--I know we disagree about the value of MDZ (both on the ice and around the league).
I just don't like the idea of the team giving up anything really significant for a player who seems to have such a rotten attitude. Talent is important, but a team with little talent and the right attitude will usually go further than a team with a lot of talent and a crap attitude. The late 90s-early aughts taught us that lesson more than once.
I'd take the gamble on a guy like Yakupov if it involved Girardi as the main piece (I'd be surprised if he were still here next year--not that he's a bad player, but I think he will price himself out of what the team is willing to spend, ala Prust). When names like McDonagh and Stepan start flying around? I would hang up the phone fairly quickly.
I hope if a Del Zotto Yakupov trade goes down that it wont be like the Tyutin for Zherdev or Rozsival for Wolski trade of the past
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