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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part X: Sather Falls Asleep on the Phone

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Raspewtin said:
What?

If Kadri is as much of a ***** as he seems, he'd be disastrous for this team. There's absolutely no leadership on this team, another potential lockerroom cancer would just exacerbate an already huge problem.

Edit; I have nothing to back up Kadri being a cancer, he just really rubs me the wrong way.
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He rubs me a little wrong too, but I don't get the lack of leadership belief some have...

Cally, McD, Staal at the very least. Richie is that kind of guy too, even if everyone is likely aware he isn't long for the team. I can't think of anyone in the room not getting along. Just because they aren't producing doesn't mean there's a problem. Maybe I'm unaware of something, but what cancer does this team have currently? I still see them as a happy bunch amongst each other for the most part despite the mediocre season.
 
I Eat Crow said:
Kadri might just be a crazy enough proposition to turn out to be an absolutely ingenious move. He ha the right kind of swagger that would allow him to thrive in New York. He can still play in a big market without having Canadian media dissect his every move on and off the ice.
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I agree with this, but I also think Kadri is overrated as a player. He is 6'0 185 lbs and hardly a great skater (his skating is fine, but nothing unique). His hockey IQ is nothing special, you know, he is a good hockey player but he is basically Brassard in a bit of a diffrent package. If even that.

I'd definitely not deal Cally for him. MDZ? Why not. Not sure where he would play though. Especially not when Cally returns.

I am not sure BTW where Cally plays when he returns even if we don't get Kadri... ;)
 
Ola said:
I agree with this, but I also think Kadri is overrated as a player. He is 6'0 185 lbs and hardly a great skater (his skating is fine, but nothing unique). His hockey IQ is nothing special, you know, he is a good hockey player but he is basically Brassard in a bit of a diffrent package.
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Skill set wise he is a very similar player to Brassard, but their personalities are different. Kadri can hardly be accused of lacking confidence, or being an emo on ice, perpetually going through the motions.

My gut tells me that you have two guys in Carlyle and AV that need a shake up in their locker rooms to assert their brand of hockey before their respective seasons slip by.

With that said, TOR will be competing with NYR for a wildcard spot, you don't want to "help" them. You want to beat them.

I can live with DZ & Brass + depth/futures for Kadri & Gardiner/Fransen + depth/futures.
 
Kadri is a very skilled center who most likely tops out as a Ribeiro like player. Useful for sure.

I hope Sather is really working the phones because there are a lot of decisions that need to be made.
 
I'm not a big fan of Kadri the way I am a big fan of a guy like Sean Monahan. I do not sit around wondering how the Rangers can somehow pry him loose from the Leafs.
It depends on where you are as a team. The Rangers need scoring. Kadri has talent. Should a guy like Allen stick and be seen as strengthening the defensive corps, why not trade DZ for Kadri? A season ago, DZ was not untouchable in my opinion (almost nobody is) but I wanted to wait.
I would like to grab any decent prospect such as Kadri. It's not a high risk adventure if we think we can back fill DZ. If we can't backfill DZ, there is something wrong.
 
Raspewtin said:
Why is Kadri even on the block anyway? Leafs need him......they're very short on good centers.
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Toronto is not playing very good hockey. You will get alot of pts in this league by not giving games away, and that is what Toronto is "not" doing and hence got 5 pts more than us and will probably cruise into the PO's.

I mean, look at their line-up. Its far from a talented line-up. Clarkson is paid a ton and he is a scrub. They love to play the goons and will not stop with that. You know, thats 1/4 of the forward lineup right there. It doesn't matter what direction you start from. JVR? Good around the net and good hands, pretty big and slow elsewhere... Lupul doesn't cover alot of ice. Fransson is very mediocre overall. Phaneuf has never moved that well. Kadri is what he is... And the list goes on.

You know, don't for a second think that I underestimate how hard that team can be to play against. But I see little upside in the longrun -- and -- if they start to face adversity etc., things could get ugly in a hurry.
 
NYR Viper said:
Kadri is a very skilled center who most likely tops out as a Ribeiro like player. Useful for sure.

I hope Sather is really working the phones because there are a lot of decisions that need to be made.
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If that would be the case, I would be on him for sure. But is he even remotely as skilled playmaker as Riberio is? Riberio is a fantastic passer and I have never seen that in Kadri.
 
trilobyte said:
I'm not a big fan of Kadri the way I am a big fan of a guy like Sean Monahan. I do not sit around wondering how the Rangers can somehow pry him loose from the Leafs.
It depends on where you are as a team. The Rangers need scoring. Kadri has talent. Should a guy like Allen stick and be seen as strengthening the defensive corps, why not trade DZ for Kadri? A season ago, DZ was not untouchable in my opinion (almost nobody is) but I wanted to wait.
I would like to grab any decent prospect such as Kadri. It's not a high risk adventure if we think we can back fill DZ. If we can't backfill DZ, there is something wrong.
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Stralman taking a top 4 role, Connor Allen replacing bottom pair minutes with a healthy Staal allows a DZ trade to be made. It's a shame it's under these circumstances and his value has been down. I think coaching staff mismanaged a lot of things.

But given where things are, DZ went from being the only player that can be traded and upgrade the team without taking a dent to possibly being moved in a lateral trade to appease coaches.

I think we end up seeing a DZ & Brassard trade to TOR for Kadri & Gardiner.
 
I disagree with the people saying the Rangers need pieces back for right now. They need very good pieces back period. 18 years old or older it doesn't matter. They need pieces back that can help put them over the hump in the future when they seriously compete.

1st's are fine, as long as they make good selections. I don't understand this short term thinking. Maximize the return. If a team is willing to give a 1st + top prospect + instead of their 25 year old dman take it. Some teams are more willing to move more value in futures so they can compete now. The Rangers are not in that place.
 
Ola said:
If that would be the case, I would be on him for sure. But is he even remotely as skilled playmaker as Riberio is? Riberio is a fantastic passer and I have never seen that in Kadri.
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Yeah, he sees the game at a very high level. Defensively he is lacking. Similar players IMO.

A bit undisciplined and a prima donna
 
Mikos87 said:
Skill set wise he is a very similar player to Brassard, but their personalities are different. Kadri can hardly be accused of lacking confidence, or being an emo on ice, perpetually going through the motions.

My gut tells me that you have two guys in Carlyle and AV that need a shake up in their locker rooms to assert their brand of hockey before their respective seasons slip by.

With that said, TOR will be competing with NYR for a wildcard spot, you don't want to "help" them. You want to beat them.

I can live with DZ & Brass + depth/futures for Kadri & Gardiner/Fransen + depth/futures.
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Yeah, from my point of view Brass is a slighty better skater and passer than Kadri, while Kadri is more feisty. Much better in the dirty areas.

Don't forget that Toronto has been a "good" place to play in for players for several years. They are big and get teams of balance. They use that to open up games. They have that PP that always get good pressure. A real heavy shot and then they manage to create alot of havoc.

Stats is what it is. People can't look too much on Kadri's stats. I could have missed something, but I don't quite see the Riberio talent on Kadri. I am definitely doubtful if he has potential to go head to head against the avg top 2 line center in the East.

Don't get me wrong, I like him. But I hardly see him as a solution for anything. I like JT Miller better in the long run. So I would take him, but definitely not for like Cally.
 
Ola said:
Yeah, from my point of view Brass is a slighty better skater and passer than Kadri, while Kadri is more feisty. Much better in the dirty areas.

Don't forget that Toronto has been a "good" place to play in for players for several years. They are big and get teams of balance. They use that to open up games. They have that PP that always get good pressure. A real heavy shot and then they manage to create alot of havoc.

Stats is what it is. People can't look too much on Kadri's stats. I could have missed something, but I don't quite see the Riberio talent on Kadri. I am definitely doubtful if he has potential to go head to head against the avg top 2 line center in the East.

Don't get me wrong, I like him. But I hardly see him as a solution for anything. I like JT Miller better in the long run. So I would take him, but definitely not for like Cally.
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Spot on. Ribeiro doesn't get touched all game. Very very slippery player and a wheelhouse passer. Kadri unlike Brassard skates every game, very good zone entry player and player maker. Moves galore, but you are spot on, he can't defend top 2 center men.
 
Ribeiro has been a special kind of player throughout his career, similar to Esa Tikkanen, in my opinion.
Kadri is not that player, at least right now.
 
Toronto? JVR is the guy I want from that team, not Kadri. As for Carolina.........Eric Staal. How about Nash and Boyle for Eric and Jordan?
 
NYR Viper said:
I disagree with the people saying the Rangers need pieces back for right now. They need very good pieces back period. 18 years old or older it doesn't matter. They need pieces back that can help put them over the hump in the future when they seriously compete.

1st's are fine, as long as they make good selections. I don't understand this short term thinking. Maximize the return. If a team is willing to give a 1st + top prospect + instead of their 25 year old dman take it. Some teams are more willing to move more value in futures so they can compete now. The Rangers are not in that place.
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I think most of us here would prefer a nice mixed balance of high draft picks, prospects, and young, impact roster players. The reality is as long as the buffoon is at the helm they don't have time to wait for 1st rounders to develop. Even a top5 pick is not a guarantee to make the team the season after his draft.

The short term thinking is from being trapped in a paradigm where your GM wants to be a playoff bound team every year, even if they are not a playoff bound team who has a shot at the Cup. If not for that, I think most of us would be clamoring to sell every valuable pending FA and guys like DZ/Brass for 1sts and prospects, nothing less.
 
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