Rumor: Trade Rumors & Proposals Thread | No More Pacifism For the Oilers?

[Soundwave]

He literally had a 1-0 shutout following that Pittsburgh game agains the Kings, and saved their ass multiple times against Colorado during that comeback victory too.

I'm not even saying they don't need a goalie. But no shit the goaltending numbers have tanked in February, the team is giving up wide open looks in front of the net to the Ducks. Against the Flyers they gave up a break away goal, a 2 on 0 goal, left a man wide open in front. Like sure they're not getting saves right now, but they're also giving up 40 shots a game out of nowhere, and wide open looks all over the place.

This is not a one year problem it's been years of poor goaltending. How did you think this was going to work?

That the Oilers could just do this every year and there would never be a breaking point?

Team needed the management this year to step it up and help them (nope), team needed their goaltending to be on point (nope) coming off an exhausting season.

It ain't happening, well congrats now you've sewered any belief the team has.

And before someone wants to get on their soapbox and got some indiginent bullshit speech about winning like they're Al Pacino playing a football coach ... Colorado has won a Cup, so you can't say they don't know what it takes, they were having even worse struggles this year with poor goaltending and are still sitting in 7th in the conference largely because of a poor goaltending stretch.

The Oilers don't deserve to be like 5-10 points better than the Avs.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

And then Pickard cancelled that out by allowing a ECHL level goal to let Anaheim get up, then a fluke goal comes because of course the hockey gods will piss on you when you're down, and voila, the night is over.

weird how the Ducks never gave up a breakaway but the Oilers gave up 2...I'm sure Gibson will suddenly put brains into the Oilers players

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

learn to play defense...Ducks didn't give up a breakaway, why did the Oilers allow 2 in a game?
John Gibson wouldn't make those saves FFS

Learn to play defense? Are you f***ing kidding me with this shit? You think MacTavish's goal just beats anyone, you think that stupid bounce on goal 3 just goes through anyone? I mean if that's the case, then why do you watch this sport, if the team is so hopeless they can't win without utter flawlessness? That seems kinda stupid.

 

[Arpeggio]

lol what. Playing well for 2 months?
Based on GSAA/60
In October Skinner was the 54/71 Goalies played. -0.51
November 42/74 -0.91
December 23/77 0.31
January 39/72 -0.01
February 56/66 -1.01

Skinner has had ONE MONTH above average this entire year. You could argue then that December was a good month. Jan he was average. A replacement level goalie. Middle of the pack for starters and backups. The rest of the time he was shit.
That’s exhausting on players knowing that for the most part every single change has a HIGH likely of going in. Knowing that your goalie isn’t even average.

It’s not a cop out. It’s human, it’s real and it happens all the time. Teams with awful goaltending can often play well for the most part but after a while their game crumbles. It’s a team sport, it’s a highly mental sport and losing faith in a position like goaltending hurts the team, and it always has.

Hell it’s hurt this core group. They have had shit goaltending pretty much their entire careers.

He had a .913 in December and a .921 in January. I don't know if GSAA is something players notice out there, so can't argue with that. But the team was playing well, winning a ton of games, and the goaltending didn't seem to be an issue the majority of the time. I find it hard to believe it was that mentally taxing for the players during those months, where they had gotten to the top of the division, that McDavid lost the ability to score at evens, and the entire team decided to not show up coming off of a two week break. But sure, maybe that's it, and if they just switch out the guy in net, the mental boost will get them back to their winning ways.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

learn to play defense...Ducks didn't give up a breakaway, why did the Oilers allow 2 in a game?
John Gibson wouldn't make those saves FFS

But the Oilers gave up a breakaway has to be the lamest defence of bad goaltending I have ever heard. Oilers were flat out dominating that game until our goaltending imploded.

 

[Soundwave]

weird how the Ducks never gave up a breakaway but the Oilers gave up 2...I'm sure Gibson will suddenly put brains into the Oilers players

For one McDavid scored on a breakaway, secondly just because that happens early in the game doesn't mean it should be an auto goal.

Florida gave up two point blank chances with no D around Bob twice to start game 1 of the Finals and Bobrobsky stopped them both.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I have to be honest, the number of you that just assume the teams that win play utterly flawless hockey and perfect defense in all situations is f***ing hilarious.

 

[Arpeggio]

This is not a one year problem it's been years of poor goaltending. How did you think this was going to work?

That the Oilers could just do this every year and there would never be a breaking point?

Team needed the management this year to step it up and help them (nope), team needed their goaltending to be on point (nope) coming off an exhausting season.

It ain't happening, well congrats now you've sewered any belief the team has.

And before someone wants to get on their soapbox and got some indiginent bullshit speech about winning like they're Al Pacino playing a football coach ... Colorado has won a Cup, so you can't say they don't know what it takes, they were having even worse struggles this year with poor goaltending and are still sitting in 7th in the conference largely because of a poor goaltending stretch.

The Oilers don't deserve to be like 5-10 points better than the Avs.

I think you have been more exhausted by the bad goaltending than the players have lol. I don't know, we'll see what happens. I hope they get a goalie, because they definitely need one with the way they're playing right now.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Learn to play defense? Are you f***ing kidding me with this shit? You think MacTavish's goal just beats anyone, you think that stupid bounce on goal 3 just goes through anyone? I mean if that's the case, then why do you watch this sport, if the team is so hopeless they can't win without utter flawlessness? That seems kinda stupid.

yes....did you miss them giving up a breakaway within the first 5 minutes of the game?? is that Pickards fault? honest question

also...this guy scored point blank....solid D right here

 

[Soundwave]

I have to honest, the number of you that just assume the teams that win play utterly flawless hockey and perfect defense in all situations is f***ing hilarious.

Too many people on this board live in a bubble where they don't actually look at any other teams. No other team would have better results than the Oilers given the goaltending they have.

Like seriously, name me the team you think would. We see the Avs have cratered with a roster more comparable to the one McDavid/Drai have to play with after their Cup run made their team depth unaffordable. And they've had bad goaltending since then.

So what are their results? 1st round exit versus a sad Seattle Kraken team (lol), second round exit last year, currently sitting 7th in the conference because Georgiev tanked two months of their season.

 

[CycloneSweep]

learn to play defense...Ducks didn't give up a breakaway, why did the Oilers allow 2 in a game?
John Gibson wouldn't make those saves FFS

First goal, sure it was a breakaway it sucked. Shouldn’t have allowed one, a save would have been nice but that’s a goal backups let in a bunch.
Second goal was a routine zone entry and a goal that should never go in. Ever. Goalie issue not on the d.
Third goal is embarassing for any goalie at any level and was off a faceoff. Zero fault of anyone outside the goalie.
Fourth goal was lack of focus and losing guy out front immediately after the awful third goal.
And then the team couldn’t play after that, all the wind had been sucked out of their sales.
With AVERAGE goaltending. That’s a 1-1 game going into the 2nd.
That’s a fact, that’s reality.

 

[OILFAN FOREVER]

It's a combination of defense and goaltending. Both need to be better. We need to add a 2nd pairing defensive defenseman for sure. We also need to upgrade in net. Skinner/Pickard have both let in horrible goals.

Some forwards also coast on defense. Would love to add a TUCH/Rakell type of forward for the top 6, a Carlo type defenseman and Gibson but I think we will add a #4 type of defenseman and a top 9 forward. It's sad we will do nothing about goaltending.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

yes....did you miss them giving up a breakaway within the first 5 minutes of the game?? is that Pickards fault? honest question

also...this guy scored point blank....solid D right here
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Again, because making a save is too hard, you have to be flawless, I get it man.

This isn't goal 2 or 3 or 4 though, so maybe you're just doing the circular thing.

 

[Old Boys Club]

I have to be honest, the number of you that just assume the teams that win play utterly flawless hockey and perfect defense in all situations is f***ing hilarious.

Stockholm syndrome and confirmation bias.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

But the Oilers gave up a breakaway has to be the lamest defence of bad goaltending I have ever heard. Oilers were flat out dominating that game until our goaltending imploded.

I'm not defending bas goaltending...I'm defending bad defense

did the Ducks give up any breakaways yesterday?

 

[oXo Cube]

But the Oilers gave up a breakaway has to be the lamest defence of bad goaltending I have ever heard. Oilers were flat out dominating that game until our goaltending imploded.

It's the same missing the forest for the trees nonsense he repeats in every thread.

The team has absolutely been concerningly leaky over the last month, but the Oilers shouldn't have to play perfect defensive hockey to have a chance to win a game against a bottom 10 team.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Too many people on this board live in a bubble where they don't actually look at any other teams. No other team would have better results than the Oilers given the goaltending they have.

Like seriously, name me the team you think would. We see the Avs have cratered with a roster more comparable to the one McDavid/Drai have to play with after their Cup run made their team depth unaffordable. And they've had bad goaltending since then.

So what are their results? 1st round exit versus a sad Seattle Kraken team (lol), second round exit last year, currently sitting 7th in the conference because Georgiev tanked two months of their season.

I would argue after Makar.......and Toews......there blueline and depth is a bit thin, but yeah goaltending was a major issue.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Again, because making a save is too hard, you have to be flawless, I get it man.

This isn't goal 2 or 3 or 4 though, so maybe you're just doing the circular thing.

he made the save on the breakaway though

 

[Soundwave]

he made the save on the breakaway though

Which is fine. He needs to stop that 2nd goal. Period. Team doesn't have the confidence right now to fight back from a bad goal against/night.

 

[CycloneSweep]

He had a .913 in December and a .921 in January. I don't know if GSAA is something players notice out there, so can't argue with that. But the team was playing well, winning a ton of games, and the goaltending didn't seem to be an issue the majority of the time. I find it hard to believe it was that mentally taxing for the players during those months, where they had gotten to the top of the division, that McDavid lost the ability to score at evens, and the entire team decided to not show up coming off of a two week break. But sure, maybe that's it, and if they just switch out the guy in net, the mental boost will get them back to their winning ways.

Skinner had a “good” Jan because the Oilers gave up absolutely f***ing nothing.
December he played well and was doing what starters and good goalies do, saving the goals he should and making saves he shouldn’t.
In Jan he was making the saves he should and that was it. He wasn’t really making big saves. He was being an average goalie.
For most of the year Skinner has been below average to bad.

 

[Arpeggio]

I have to be honest, the number of you that just assume the teams that win play utterly flawless hockey and perfect defense in all situations is f***ing hilarious.

It's not that, I promise you it's not that. The Oilers went from a team that gives up the least number of shots in the league, to giving up over 30 7 games in a row, the first not giving up 30 being last night when they were blown out of the building. The goaltending can be bad, and the team can be playing well below their standards. Both things can be true.

Even if I agree with you that the goaltending is the number one, biggest most important problem the team has, and everyone is just completely exhausted from playing in front of them, you still can't have your top line disappear like McDavid's has for as long as it has. That just can't happen, regardless of how the rest of the team is playing. There's more to it than just goaltending.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

he made the save on the breakaway though

So he made one save, then stopped. Do you see how that's not saves though?

So we should be happy because at least he stopped anything? Is this what you're saying.

Are you saying with your full throat and chest

"Look you guys should be happy he made any saves at all, because the Oilers made mistakes and those are always goals"

Is there where you're at?

 

[Soundwave]

I would argue after Makar.......and Toews......there blueline and depth is a bit thin, but yeah goaltending was a major issue.

Makar + Toews + Manson is still >> Ekholm, Bouchard (esp. this year's version), Nurse.

Why should we have monstrously better results?

The Oilers are basically like the Dan Cloutier-era Canucks except McDavid and Draisaitl are so much better than the best Canuck forwards that the Oilers have managed to get in a Conference Finals and Finals appearance out of it.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I'm not defending bas goaltending...I'm defending bad defense

did the Ducks give up any breakaways yesterday?

Not going to give up many breakaways when you are up 4 goals most of the night.
No one is saying our team is perfect but keying is on 2 breakaways is silly.

 

[Arpeggio]

Skinner had a “good” Jan because the Oilers gave up absolutely f***ing nothing.
December he played well and was doing what starters and good goalies do, saving the goals he should and making saves he shouldn’t.
In Jan he was making the saves he should and that was it. He wasn’t really making big saves. He was being an average goalie.
For most of the year Skinner has been below average to bad.

That's all I'm saying. If the Oilers found it so exhausting playing in front of average goaltending for two months that the entire team instantly fell apart after the first bad game, I would be shocked.

Right now the goaltending is bad, but the entire team is bad too. Everyone outside of Draisaitl has been absolutely terrible during this stretch.