Rumor: Trade Rumors & Proposals Thread | No More Pacifism For the Oilers?

[foshizzle]

Lol McDavid doesn't have a 5on5 point in 11 games and we're thinking a goalie is going to fix everything. The goalies weren't playing that bad when the team started playing poorly, though they have been bad since the break.

They have a lot more to figure out than a goalie. Last night was absolute garbage.

lol, goaltending is massive, massive problem, no matter how hard you try to deflect

 

[Arpeggio]

They are hitting up against a brick wall of fatigue/mental exhaustion from the Finals last year.

You can't have massive holes in your lineup (yes, like the ones we have in net) and think you can just cruise to 1st in your division.

The Avs core has won a Cup have they not? So you can't say "they don't know how to win!". They've been sitting in 7th/8th in the conference all year long because mainly their goaltending was really shit for several months.

Why is it the Oilers are expected to massively outperform that? Our roster otherwise is not at all if any better than the Avs, it really just boils down to some Oiler fans thinking Connor and Leon should just always some how carry the team to better than expected results.

I'm glad McDavid is not bailing the team out and the management is being forced to sweat. It's the only way they're ever going to develop any self awareness about the shit job they're doing.

The goaltending wasn't a massive hole when they started playing poorly. Skinner had a .921 in January. No one should've been exhausted by playing in front of shit goaltending, because they were getting good goaltending.

The team has gotten completely outplayed nearly every game coming out of the break, which were Skinner's worst performances as well. If they fell apart because Skinner got yanked in one game against Colorado, after being very solid for two months, then this team isn't going anywhere.

 

[North]

this is the worst part...they traded their precious few assets for Frederic, who won't play for a few weeks
the unproductive players all have NMCs so we couldn't trade them if we wanted
and no assets for a decent goalie

we better hope Kane returns to his 2022 playoff form

We still have next year’s first.

It’s not like Lachance and Wanner were going to bring back anything all that valuable.

Frederic is going to play and is the type of player we need. Paying a second for him is not a steep price at all.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

We still have next year’s first.

It’s not like Lachance and Wanner were going to bring back anything all that valuable.

Frederic is going to play and is the type of player we need. Paying a second for him is not a steep price at all.

I do hope they re-sign him though, it's a steeper price if they let him walk.

 

[Arpeggio]

lol, goaltending is massive, massive problem, no matter how hard you try to deflect

The way the team is playing is a bigger problem. They scored 0 even strength goals against the Ducks. They came out of the break and got completely outclassed by the Flyers. Go ahead and get a goaltender, but you're not winning shit until the team starts playing up to the level they were at in December and January. That is not on the goaltending.

 

[Soundwave]

There's no offense coming from anyone who isn't Leon. They had 2 weeks off. What are they tired from, exactly?

From killing themselves to get a roster with multiple holes in it to game 7 of a Cup Final.

There's seriously an issue of entitlement here where the fans just think because they made a Cup Final last year they ought to just cruise back, the fact is that's actually very rare. Very few teams do that and the ones that do all pretty much solid up and down the lineup (good forwards, good D, AND good goaltending).

The Avs are sitting in 7th in the division, why do the Oilers deserve any better? And the Avs only had to put up with bad goaltending like through December, we've been saddled with it all year.

They are basically about where they should be. They're not at present a better team than Colorado (at best it's a wash) I don't think, especially not with the goaltending they have so why is the expectation that they should have a massively better record + sitting in 1st in their division?

I'm glad McDavid is not bailing the front office out. They don't deserve top flight results with the roster they've built, one guy shouldn't have to bail them out and push the team to massive over performance.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

The way the team is playing is a bigger problem. They scored 0 even strength goals against the Ducks. They came out of the break and got completely outclassed by the Flyers. Go ahead and get a goaltender, but you're not winning shit until the team starts playing up to the level they were at in December and January. That is not on the goaltending.

I mean they were playing great until our sieve goalie started leaking.

We have had the worst goaltending in the league for a month. That’s a fact. Stop downplaying what an issue it is. It’s massive.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The way the team is playing is a bigger problem. They scored 0 even strength goals against the Ducks. They came out of the break and got completely outclassed by the Flyers. Go ahead and get a goaltender, but you're not winning shit until the team starts playing up to the level they were at in December and January. That is not on the goaltending.

You're right they're playing poorly, because they never get a save, so it causes them to abandon their structure to try and secure things and that fails, again because of less saves.

It starts at getting f***ing saves, because you act like they've played this way all f***ing season, and they have not.

 

[foshizzle]

The goaltending wasn't a massive hole when they started playing poorly. Skinner had a .921 in January. No one should've been exhausted by playing in front of shit goaltending, because they were getting good goaltending.

The team has gotten completely outplayed nearly every game coming out of the break, which were Skinner's worst performances as well. If they fell apart because Skinner got yanked in one game against Colorado, after being very solid for two months, then this team isn't going anywhere.

Yes, it absolutely was. Skinner has been dead last (or near dead last) all season in goals saved above expected. Skinner has been dead last in the cap era in the playoffs for goalies who have played at least 20 games. Skinner has seen his numbers drop year over year since his rookie season as the Oilers defence has gotten better. Oilers were (before the bad spell) a top 2/3 team in preventing high danger chances (save % is a reflection of that- not quality of goalie).

Oilers are 1st in xGA on the PK. They are 27th in actual goals allowed.

You can frame it any way you want- deflect any way you want. Everything points at goaltending

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Didn’t say the word hopeless. That’s yours. Flawed. The team defending is a trainwreck and goaltending can’t bail it out. They have limited assets with no miracle trade coming. It will cost them big to fix. No one in a tight, competitive environment is bailing them out of their self induced poor management decision making.

Actually it totally can, because you need to stop the narrative that "ever mistake ends up in the net" is just a fact of this league, because it is f***ing not. The fact that the expectation is the Oilers have to play flawless hockey with perfect puck management or they'll lose every game, might not be on the team.

They can play better, they have to play better, but they need a f***ing save.

I suspect if there is a goalie trade, it will be for a stop gap like Talbot and not an actual long term solution.

Someone who has better numbers than our guys (not hard) but not someone who can be relied upon long term.

That’s just my guess.

Even a stop gap is something, they need anything that's different behind them.

 

[Soundwave]

The goaltending wasn't a massive hole when they started playing poorly. Skinner had a .921 in January. No one should've been exhausted by playing in front of shit goaltending, because they were getting good goaltending.

The team has gotten completely outplayed nearly every game coming out of the break, which were Skinner's worst performances as well. If they fell apart because Skinner got yanked in one game against Colorado, after being very solid for two months, then this team isn't going anywhere.

Skinner's ass has been showing since January. He got lit up in the Pittsburgh game and then had 5/6 games in a row below .900.

He then had two good games against Buffalo and Detroit and has been cratering ever since.

I think the team is just tired of this shit, they're not going to be fooled into believing in Skinner just because he has a good game or two. He's spent all the currency he has with the team.

 

[Arpeggio]

From killing themselves to get a roster with multiple holes in it to game 7 of a Cup Final.

There's seriously an issue of entitlement here where the fans just think because they made a Cup Final last year they ought to just cruise back, the fact is that's actually very rare. Very few teams do that and the ones that do all pretty much solid up and down the lineup (good forwards, good D, AND good goaltending).

The Avs are sitting in 7th in the division, why do the Oilers deserve any better? And the Avs only had to put up with bad goaltending like through December, we've been saddled with it all year.

They are basically about where they should be. They're not at present a better team than Colorado (at best it's a wash) I don't think, especially not with the goaltending they have so why is the expectation that they should have a massively better record + sitting in 1st in their division?

I'm glad McDavid is not bailing the front office out. They don't deserve top flight results with the roster they've built, one guy shouldn't have to bail them out and push the team to massive over performance.

This is such a ridiculous take. McDavid is going to be the highest paid player in the league. Are you saying that he's playing like garbage because he's so exhausted from playing in front of a goalie that was playing well for two months, that now when he's had a couple of bad games he's decided to pack it in?

The entire team's metrics have cratered during this stretch. Throughout December and January, the metrics were good, and the goaltending was good. What is so exhausting about that? If you want to say they're just fatigued and have played too much hockey, fine. But saying it's just so mentally exhausting playing in front of poor goaltending is such a cop out.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

watch Vanecek become a stud

 

[foshizzle]

This is such a ridiculous take. McDavid is going to be the highest paid player in the league. Are you saying that he's playing like garbage because he's so exhausted from playing in front of a goalie that was playing well for two months, that now when he's had a couple of bad games he's decided to pack it in?

The entire team's metrics have cratered during this stretch. Throughout December and January, the metrics were good, and the goaltending was good. What is so exhausting about that? If you want to say they're just fatigued and have played too much hockey, fine. But saying it's just so mentally exhausting playing in front of poor goaltending is such a cop out.

Again, you're deflecting. Goaltending has never been good. Even when the team was playing well- goaltending was bad,

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Thank goodness fans are not GM. You do realize Korpisalo has not had a .900% in over two years? His save percentage is worse than Skinners.

I mean, I explained it, but I can explain it slower because you seem confused.

So Stuart Skinner has Lost the Trust of his teammates. They don't Trust, Stu will Make Saves.

Koripsalo is a flawed goaltender, who has made Saves in the past. He is a Different Player. He will give them a different look. The players will have someone new in goal, maybe someone who can make the easy saves, so they don't have to worry about that SO much, like they do now.

Again, it's about Changing, the options for the team in goal. I get this is complicated, I hope slowing it down made it simpler.

The team Does Not Trust their goalies, so give them New Goalies.

 

[Soundwave]

This is such a ridiculous take. McDavid is going to be the highest paid player in the league. Are you saying that he's playing like garbage because he's so exhausted from playing in front of a goalie that was playing well for two months, that now when he's had a couple of bad games he's decided to pack it in?

The entire team's metrics have cratered during this stretch. Throughout December and January, the metrics were good, and the goaltending was good. What is so exhausting about that? If you want to say they're just fatigued and have played too much hockey, fine. But saying it's just so mentally exhausting playing in front of poor goaltending is such a cop out.

I'm saying he's not bailing the team out and you know what? Good.

They don't deserve it. What about this roster you tell me with a straight face deserves way better results than what the Colorado Avalanche who are sitting in 7th place in the conference deserve?

It's exhausting when the same roster issues pop up and you're asked for the 50th time to push yourself to the max when you're coming off playing yourself to death well into June the previous season. At some point you just get tired of the same shit, it's like that movie Groundhog Day.

There's a reason why 90%+ of teams that make a Finals don't make it back the next year, it's not a random outlier stat. The fatigue from a Finals run is real.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

This is such a ridiculous take. McDavid is going to be the highest paid player in the league. Are you saying that he's playing like garbage because he's so exhausted from playing in front of a goalie that was playing well for two months, that now when he's had a couple of bad games he's decided to pack it in?

The entire team's metrics have cratered during this stretch. Throughout December and January, the metrics were good, and the goaltending was good. What is so exhausting about that? If you want to say they're just fatigued and have played too much hockey, fine. But saying it's just so mentally exhausting playing in front of poor goaltending is such a cop out.

Lol the Oilers have had acceptable goaltending for 2 months this season. That’s it.

You live on mars if you think that doesn’t affect the players mentally.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

This "They just need a f***ing Save" refrain seems like something we've been saying for too long, and I wonder if the same people are ignoring this reality again and suggesting the team just sucks at defense or whatever.

No one thinks the team is perfect, or playing perfect hockey, but saves man, you need saves to win, no matter what quality of hockey you play.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Actually it totally can, because you need to stop the narrative that "ever mistake ends up in the net" is just a fact of this league, because it is f***ing not. The fact that the expectation is the Oilers have to play flawless hockey with perfect puck management or they'll lose every game, might not be on the team.

They can play better, they have to play better, but they need a f***ing save.

and they got it, from yet another goddamn breakaway given in the FIRST 5 MINUTES...how the f*** does this happen multiple times in a hockey game? Ducks didn't give one up
Ducks didn't leave a man wide-ass open in the slot
Ducks didn't allow a player to just waltz in front of the net while 3 guys were behind the net for some reason (4-1 goal)

yes, Pickard gave up a weak goal on the 2-1 goal...but that's one of out 6 ES goals

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

and they got it, from yet another goddamn breakaway given in the FIRST 5 MINUTES...how the f*** does this happen multiple times in a hockey game? Ducks didn't give one up
Ducks didn't leave a man wide-ass open in the slot
Ducks didn't allow a player to just waltz in front of the net while 3 guys were behind the net for some reason (4-1 goal)

yes, Pickard gave up a weak goal on the 2-1 goal...but that's one of out 6 ES goals

Pickard made one big stop, top notch, then I guess decided that was enough and didn't stop shit after that?

Like the 2-1, the 3-1 goal, the 4-1 goal.

Make a f***ing save.

Dostal did when the Oilers were running the Ducks show in the first, so it's too much for Pickard after that one? Like It's a consistency thing. You don't get credit for the one big save, when you gave up 4 goals on 8 shots.

The team isn't blameless, but make a f***ing save.

 

[CycloneSweep]

This is such a ridiculous take. McDavid is going to be the highest paid player in the league. Are you saying that he's playing like garbage because he's so exhausted from playing in front of a goalie that was playing well for two months, that now when he's had a couple of bad games he's decided to pack it in?

The entire team's metrics have cratered during this stretch. Throughout December and January, the metrics were good, and the goaltending was good. What is so exhausting about that? If you want to say they're just fatigued and have played too much hockey, fine. But saying it's just so mentally exhausting playing in front of poor goaltending is such a cop out.

lol what. Playing well for 2 months?
Based on GSAA/60
In October Skinner was the 54/71 Goalies played. -0.51
November 42/74 -0.91
December 23/77 0.31
January 39/72 -0.01
February 56/66 -1.01

Skinner has had ONE MONTH above average this entire year. You could argue then that December was a good month. Jan he was average. A replacement level goalie. Middle of the pack for starters and backups. The rest of the time he was shit.
That’s exhausting on players knowing that for the most part every single change has a HIGH likely of going in. Knowing that your goalie isn’t even average.

It’s not a cop out. It’s human, it’s real and it happens all the time. Teams with awful goaltending can often play well for the most part but after a while their game crumbles. It’s a team sport, it’s a highly mental sport and losing faith in a position like goaltending hurts the team, and it always has.

Hell it’s hurt this core group. They have had shit goaltending pretty much their entire careers.

 

[Soundwave]

and they got it, from yet another goddamn breakaway given in the FIRST 5 MINUTES...how the f*** does this happen multiple times in a hockey game? Ducks didn't give one up
Ducks didn't leave a man wide-ass open in the slot
Ducks didn't allow a player to just waltz in front of the net while 3 guys were behind the net for some reason (4-1 goal)

yes, Pickard gave up a weak goal on the 2-1 goal...but that's one of out 6 ES goals

And then Pickard cancelled that out by allowing a ECHL level goal to let Anaheim get up, then a fluke goal comes because of course the hockey gods will piss on you when you're down, and voila, the night is over.

 

[Arpeggio]

Skinner's ass has been showing since January. He got lit up in the Pittsburgh game and then had 5/6 games in a row below .900.

He then had two good games against Buffalo and Detroit and has been cratering ever since.

I think the team is just tired of this shit, they're not going to be fooled into believing in Skinner just because he has a good game or two. He's spent all the currency he has with the team.

He literally had a 1-0 shutout following that Pittsburgh game agains the Kings, and saved their ass multiple times against Colorado during that comeback victory too.

I'm not even saying they don't need a goalie. But no shit the goaltending numbers have tanked in February, the team is giving up wide open looks in front of the net to the Ducks. Against the Flyers they gave up a break away goal, a 2 on 0 goal, left a man wide open in front. Like sure they're not getting saves right now, but they're also giving up 40 shots a game out of nowhere, and wide open looks all over the place.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Pickard made one big stop, top notch, then I guess decided that was enough and didn't stop shit after that?

Like the 2-1, the 3-1 goal, the 4-1 goal.

Make a f***ing save.

learn to play defense...Ducks didn't give up a breakaway, why did the Oilers allow 2 in a game?
John Gibson wouldn't make those saves FFS

 

[CycloneSweep]

and they got it, from yet another goddamn breakaway given in the FIRST 5 MINUTES...how the f*** does this happen multiple times in a hockey game? Ducks didn't give one up
Ducks didn't leave a man wide-ass open in the slot
Ducks didn't allow a player to just waltz in front of the net while 3 guys were behind the net for some reason (4-1 goal)

yes, Pickard gave up a weak goal on the 2-1 goal...but that's one of out 6 ES goals

Did you use to watch the Oilers back in the day? You know decade of darkness stuff? When we had some young skill but mostly sucked and were hemmed in a lot? You know what we got a ton of? Breakaway chances.
And you know why we got them? Because we were terrible at systems and breaking a cycle so opposing teams would keep us hemmed in and suddenly a breakaway happened and our young skill put it in the net. We couldn’t sustain pressure, or cycle well, or defend. Put a lot of pressure on our goalies. But what we could do, is get those breakaway chances while the opposing team was keeping us locked down.