Proposal: Trade Rumors/Proposals Thread 2013-2014 | Part IV

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sens613

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Spezza missed the entire season last year save for what, 7 or 8 games?

This season he has had a revolving door of ragtag wingers, is still producing just under a point per game and hasn't looked bad doing it. Hasn't looked great except for a handful of games, but hasn't looked terrible either.

Some people just see what they want to see I suppose.

I'm a big spezza supporter and believe he will turn it around soon, but despite his numbers he has looked bad doing it.

Not looking terrible is not good enough for what should be our number 1 center.
 

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Spezza missed the entire season last year save for what, 7 or 8 games?

This season he has had a revolving door of ragtag wingers, is still producing just under a point per game and hasn't looked bad doing it. Hasn't looked great except for a handful of games, but hasn't looked terrible either.

Some people just see what they want to see I suppose.

This pretty much sums things up. He is still producing, and although no one tends to say it he is still amazingly strong on the puck. He gets into trouble with some of his passes, but are they all terrible passes or are his wingers too low a quality to understand what he is trying to do? Hard to say. But people have been calling for Spezza's head for as long as Spezza has been around.
 

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Spezza missed the entire season last year save for what, 7 or 8 games?

This season he has had a revolving door of ragtag wingers, is still producing just under a point per game and hasn't looked bad doing it. Hasn't looked great except for a handful of games, but hasn't looked terrible either.

Some people just see what they want to see I suppose.

Let's be honest, he's been terrible.

He's never had issues producing with bad wingers in the past. The revolving door is just as much his fault as it is the wingers. When he played with Neil, it wasn't the wingers being taken off his line, he was the one being demoted.
 

Benjamin

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People dont wanna see it but its obvious Spezza's injuries have changed him. He's not the same player he was prior to last season. Its not rust.
 

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People dont wanna see it but its obvious Spezza's injuries have changed him. He's not the same player he was prior to last season. Its not rust.

His wanting to be an all around player and also insisting on sometimes playing the pk is hurting his real game. On his line, I'd prefer to see 2 offensive forwards go all out and let the 3rd man be a fast strong defensive forward who never goes deep but stays high to cover up their mistakes.
 

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Let's be honest, he's been terrible.

He's never had issues producing with bad wingers in the past. The revolving door is just as much his fault as it is the wingers. When he played with Neil, it wasn't the wingers being taken off his line, he was the one being demoted.

I disagree with everything you just wrote.

As far as Spezza being demoted though, check out the ice time he's been getting over the entirety of the season. It's pretty damn close to what Turris has been getting, despite the fact that his wingers have been shuffled around. If Spezza were demoted as you claim, he'd be playing less while other centers play more which hasn't been the case.

Even when he was out there with Smith and Neil as his wingers, he played with other guys for additional shifts.
 

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I agree with MaK in every post pretty well except when he talks about Spezza, Mak you should tone down on trading him/talking about him and people would take you more serious imo.
 

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Seems to me that waiving Michalek would be a good move now. He can still play but another team can pick him up giving us $6 million in room this year to make a "money-in" type trade.
Well Michalek is an upper end as far as skill goes of the type of player we could acquire for near nothing. There needs to be a Michalek equivalent on D available if we want to waive Michalek.
 

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I disagree with everything you just wrote.

As far as Spezza being demoted though, check out the ice time he's been getting over the entirety of the season. It's pretty damn close to what Turris has been getting, despite the fact that his wingers have been shuffled around. If Spezza were demoted as you claim, he'd be playing less while other centers play more which hasn't been the case.

Even when he was out there with Smith and Neil as his wingers, he played with other guys for additional shifts.

Spezza being demoted (playing with Neil) didn't last very long, like 2.5 games maybe?

Part of the problem is he hasn't been held accountable apart from that.

I agree with MaK in every post pretty well except when he talks about Spezza, Mak you should tone down on trading him/talking about him and people would take you more serious imo.

Even if you're (posters in general) the biggest Spezza fan, if he's your favourite player, and so on, you can't deny he's been bad. Come on.

He's regressed offensively: 4th in team scoring (formerly 4th in league scoring) and soon to be passed by MacArthur. OK the MacArthur thing may have been bias

He's been dreadful defensively. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?disp=1&db=201314&sit=5v5&pos=skaters&minutes=100&teamid=0&type=goals&sort=A20&sortdir=DESC. 6th worse in the whole league. He doesn't even get the tough matchups, offensively or defensively.

He has 4 points in his last 10 games.


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YNWA14

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Still trying to figure out how the same posters who deify Karlsson **** on Spezza at every turn. Do they not even realize the hypocrisy in that?
 

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Everyone acknowledges Karlsson's been bad defensively. Not a secret.

He's been better than Spezza though. See link above
 

Benjamin

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Still trying to figure out how the same posters who deify Karlsson **** on Spezza at every turn. Do they not even realize the hypocrisy in that?

Karlsson has been bad(For his standard, still by far the best player and most impactful player on the team), but not Spezza-bad.
 

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Andre Benoit for Gryba and a 2nd.

Sure hope you forgot the :sarcasm:

GMs don't make that type of knee jerk player assessment. You can bet they knew exactly what Benoit brought to the table before they chose not to re-sign him to a one way deal. No way they would give up a still developing asset like Gryba let alone add a 2nd for a player they could have signed for nothing. Even Benoit for Corvo might be more believable but then again they have similar contracts and the AVS would gain nothing from that. IMO, if Gryba is on the table it would be for someone else. It could involve one of our under performing forwards too.
 
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YNWA14

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Karlsson has been bad(For his standard, still by far the best player and most impactful player on the team), but not Spezza-bad.

Lol OK. If you say so. I wasn't even taking about their relative performances this year. I was talking about their contributions and what they bring to the team when healthy and playing well.

However how many times has Karlsson been first star or led this team to victory this year? He's definitely been the most impactful...I wouldn't say in a positive way.
 

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Spezza being demoted (playing with Neil) didn't last very long, like 2.5 games maybe?

Part of the problem is he hasn't been held accountable apart from that.



Even if you're (posters in general) the biggest Spezza fan, if he's your favourite player, and so on, you can't deny he's been bad. Come on.

He's regressed offensively: 4th in team scoring (formerly 4th in league scoring) and soon to be passed by MacArthur. OK the MacArthur thing may have been bias

He's been dreadful defensively. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?disp=1&db=201314&sit=5v5&pos=skaters&minutes=100&teamid=0&type=goals&sort=A20&sortdir=DESC. 6th worse in the whole league. He doesn't even get the tough matchups, offensively or defensively.

He has 4 points in his last 10 games.


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What is it with your need to be so dramatic with your evaluation of Spezza??? He has had some bad games but has not been dreadful. For example if you look at the last 2 games he is a minus 5 which LOOKS really bad. But was he even remotely responsible for any of them??? Lehner brain cramp from the side boards goes in. Michalek and Karlsson mixup causes another on Lehner. Anderson, Karlsson brain fart on Dany Heatley's goal. Anderson wiffs on shot from the blueline and also an empty net goal. Wow its all Spezza'a fault!!!
I think his back injury has affected him this year but he is not the pile of cow dung you make him out to be. Yes he can be better as with many on the team but why the need to vilify him???
 

DueDiligence

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Lol OK. If you say so. I wasn't even taking about their relative performances this year. I was talking about their contributions and what they bring to the team when healthy and playing well.

However how many times has Karlsson been first star or led this team to victory this year? He's definitely been the most impactful...I wouldn't say in a positive way.
Karlsson is very good to great when he has the puck but when defending in his own end without it he has been pretty bad. Watch him without the puck; he is passive, reactive and very soft. He does not have the same level of compete he did before the injury.
 

Benjamin

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Lol OK. If you say so. I wasn't even taking about their relative performances this year. I was talking about their contributions and what they bring to the team when healthy and playing well.

However how many times has Karlsson been first star or led this team to victory this year? He's definitely been the most impactful...I wouldn't say in a positive way.

I dont think Spezza brings a lot to the team anymore. He no longer makes the players around him better, the opposite actually. He's focusing so much on being great defensively that when he goes deep in the dzone he cant get back to contribute offensively because his speed and acceleration is really hurting(groin, knee and back injuries). He spends most of the time being stuck in the dzone. Just not effective 5 on 5. His line is never effective and the only constant is Spezza. How many wingers does Spezza have to go through for people to realize Spezza is the problem!? He's played himself away from Ryan and the top line.

I like Spezza but its best for the Sens long term to trade him now while he still has a lot of value. Imo this is the start of Spezza's injuries induced decline/regression. Injuries happen.

Karlsson is still effective and makes the team a lot better. Getting better every game. Karlsson at 22 peaked at a level Spezza has never seen.
 
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