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All of a sudden he is saying stuff that’s not team approved? It’s one thing for him to pine over players like Crouse and it not mean anything, but criticizing staff? Seems strange
Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals Thread | Ken Holland, There's Nowhere to Run to, Nowhere to Hide
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All of a sudden he is saying stuff that’s not team approved? It’s one thing for him to pine over players like Crouse and it not mean anything, but criticizing staff? Seems strange
Stauffer throws a lot of shit against the wall that doesn't stick.
I think he's just talking like a frustrated fan with the D pairing talk, I don't think it means anything in terms of impending coaching change.
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Maybe Stauffer should throw his hat in the ring. He might be an upgrade over Chiarelli and Holland
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Fire Playfair and promote Dave Manson
Trade away Barrie and sign Josh Manson as UFA
???
Profit
Trade away Barrie and sign Josh Manson as UFA
???
Profit
Russell is at least willing to block a shot.
But yes, we need a physical shutdown D pretty badly.
Slide Steve Yzerman a million dollars for him to drop a hypothetical "if I traded McDavid list" piece of paper on Holland's desk.
Nobody would be the wiser.
If your proposal doesn't seriously hurt to give up then Arizona isn't accepting it.
Chychrun isn't coming without at LEAST one blue chip and a couple firsts with a roster player who isn't a cap dump.
That's not what I heard. He said goaltending wasn't there, but when you are up 3-1 in the third that's when your best players put the game out of reach for you. They didnt. It's not their fault, but they need to be better than that too.
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It would be a total Oilers move to trade Broberg and two firsts for a player that Broberg might be as good as next season
If that's what it takes, then that's what it takes.
If Connor says in the summer he wants a contender now or he is planning on leaving ... I think it's fairly predictable how Katz will react.
All draft picks and prospects are for sale if need be.
It's just a business move, simple as that. McDavid is the most valuable player business wise in the history of the Oilers, and yes that is above Wayne Gretzky. In the 80s things like super high priced luxury/corporate suites, $150 tickets, $20 hot dogs + beer + $150 jerseys + EA NHL covers etc. etc. didn't exist the same way.
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I wasn’t assigning any personal judgement to the statement, they need to be better, despite what some are saying here
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Honestly I'd trade Broberg and Bourgault in a package for Chychrun.
He's a #1 guy on the worst team in the league making less than half of what Nurse will make next season. He absolutely makes this team much better immediately.
At least in my opinion.
One or two of Broberg/Holloway and Bourgault need to go in order to bring in fixes we need, imo. I don't know why you'd want to wait to see if Broberg might be as good as Chych next year when we know for certain he isn't as it stands.
I'll get roasted by some but I'd honestly see if a deal around Nurse and Chych is possible.
I love Nurse and I love that he signed a max term contract to be here, but that deal is going to be an absolute killer starting next year unless his play picks up a ton or we move a ton of existing cap. Would love to see us add Chych without moving Nurse, but if a swap is possible I dunno man. It would be tempting for me. I think we need to stop waiting and hoping to see our prospects maybe become as good or better than existing players we could target. This team is not known for its great draft success and baring a complete 100% tear down and overhaul of the FO this isn't going to change. No more hoping. If you can acquire someone proven, do it.
The only concern with Chychrun is injury history. But that's the gamble.
I love Nurse and I love that he signed a max term contract to be here, but that deal is going to be an absolute killer starting next year unless his play picks up a ton or we move a ton of existing cap. Would love to see us add Chych without moving Nurse, but if a swap is possible I dunno man. It would be tempting for me. I think we need to stop waiting and hoping to see our prospects maybe become as good or better than existing players we could target. This team is not known for its great draft success and baring a complete 100% tear down and overhaul of the FO this isn't going to change. No more hoping. If you can acquire someone proven, do it.
The only concern with Chychrun is injury history. But that's the gamble.
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Make sure they're playing pool at the time, and McDavid is wearing a slinky outfit.
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If the Oilers bottom out this year, yeah I think
- Holland removed from GM position (allowed to keep POHO to save face, stupid but totally Oilers)
- Tippett obviously not brought back.
- Katz and McDavid meet, Katz tells McDavid to be honest, McDavid tells Katz he is frustrated and doesn't want to wait any longer for a contending team, is feeling like his days in Edmonton are coming to a close. Draisaitl tells Katz the same thing.
- Katz orders new GM to spend what ever capital outside of McDavid + Draisaitl to build an immediate contender.
- GM trades for Chychrun + Crouse + Ullmark at steep prices, but Oilers do get a team that will be a solid contender immediately.
- Holland removed from GM position (allowed to keep POHO to save face, stupid but totally Oilers)
- Tippett obviously not brought back.
- Katz and McDavid meet, Katz tells McDavid to be honest, McDavid tells Katz he is frustrated and doesn't want to wait any longer for a contending team, is feeling like his days in Edmonton are coming to a close. Draisaitl tells Katz the same thing.
- Katz orders new GM to spend what ever capital outside of McDavid + Draisaitl to build an immediate contender.
- GM trades for Chychrun + Crouse + Ullmark at steep prices, but Oilers do get a team that will be a solid contender immediately.
He's played less than 40 games this season and his new contract hasn't even been set on the cap yet. But you want him gone instead of trash like Koskinen. Then, when Nurse is gone, Oiler fans will be ripping the GM for trading him. Oiler fans never learn. Always forget
It's not that I want him gone. It's that I think the contract will age poorly. That doesn't mean I don't want Koskinen gone but he's gone this summer anyways.
I said I'd love to retain nurse and add in Chychrun on top of possible, but that caphit. I'm not overly optimistic about that one and I'm pretty optimistic about everything Oilers related. I don't dislike Nurse at all and I love what he brings and that he wants to be here. It's strictly from a financial standpoint. Nuge is the same for me, and I know neither guy gets moved after signing such a long term commitment. But if you could, I honestly think it would be the wiser play.
Fully acknowledge he hasn't even played a full season yet, but I also don't think it's entirely unfair to think he won't continue to blossom into a legit 9 million dollar defenseman. He's up there with guys like Makar and Fox in terms of value, but on ice I don't think he's near them in skill. Not trying to slight Nurse here, just giving my opinion. I hope he does continue to improve as he has every year. I'll happily look back and say I was an idiot for even thinking these things if he takes that next step. It could wind up another Drai situation in which case we win huge.
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You could say that if he was 30 years old but he just turned 26. Of course he's not the same as Makar and Fox but why would you want to move him when it's worse than a shit stain on Defence without him lol?
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Some reasonable discussion including thoughts of a guy who actually played at the NHL level. Worth a listen imo. The Jason Gregor Show: January 17: Hour 3
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