Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals Thread | Ken Holland, There's Nowhere to Run to, Nowhere to Hide

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Little Fury

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Ok I'll qualify the statement.

When the team is out of the playoffs by November 15th he still manages to find his game at some point when the pressure is off. When the pressure is on and it isn't working for the team he struggles every single time. Would be happy to be proven wrong.

So there was no pressure on the team at the start of the year?
 

GRadio

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Katz won't allow a McDavid trade. The 2022 1st, 2023 1st, 2024 1st is gone before McDavid.

McDavid makes Katz a lot more money than those picks will.

You can land some combination of goalie + Chychrun + Crouse for that, the Oilers would be a contender for the next 3-4 years and then McDavid resigns.

If you're forced with a gun to your head

EDM 1st 2022 + EDM 1st 2024 + Barrie + Smith (cap dumps)
for
Chychrun + Crouse

Yamamoto + Lavoie
for
Linus Ullmark

Fire Tippett and bring in a better coach as well.
If this was remotely possible, I'd be all over it.
 

BlackDogg

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Sounds like some narrative from a “made for IMAX” documentary



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ChaoticOrange

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for the record:

From Dec 1 on

McDavid has 17 points in 14 games, for a 100 point pace in games his team has gone 2-10-2 in. He's doing his job. Draisaitl is nearly a point per game as well (though he's getting scored on a lot)
 

Mez

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for the record:

From Dec 1 on

McDavid has 17 points in 14 games, for a 100 point pace in games his team has gone 2-10-2 in. He's doing his job. Draisaitl is nearly a point per game as well (though he's getting scored on a lot)
If we have league average goaltending i bet we are at least .500 during that stretch.
 

Little Fury

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I would say that it isn't difficult to see that the pressure on the team now is higher than the beginning of the year by a monumental degree.

But the pressure is because the team is losing and the team is losing in large part because McDavid and Drai (Drai more than McDavid) are slumping. Seems you've got your causes and effects all jumbled up.
 

K1984

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But the pressure is because the team is losing and the team is losing in large part because McDavid and Drai are slumping. Seems you've got your causes and effects all jumbled up.

So McDavid and Draisaitl are solely responsible for this stretch?

I wasn't going to go that far, but ok.
 

K1984

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McDavid has 17 points in 14 games, for a 100 point pace in games his team has gone 2-10-2 in. He's doing his job. Draisaitl is nearly a point per game as well (though he's getting scored on a lot)

It isn't about the numbers, a PPG is what they will post at their worst due to how naturally talented they are.

Objectively, watching them play, they are not right. There is no detail in their game, there is no fight in their game, when they are heavily checked their instinct is to turn it over rather than make the simple play, etc.

The stat line is one thing, but the whole package is another. It isn't because they are getting chances but are snake bit, their games in totality are awful at the moment.

This type of play seems to come out when the team is in a real bad goaltending or defensive stretch. Problem is they don't do anything to rectify it with their own play, if anything they contribute to the issue.
 
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The team is, as it has been for the past 15 years, poorly built due to a combination of woeful drafting, bad signings (both UFA and re-signings), and absolutely braindead off-ice personnel.

Nothing will change so long as the Oilers front office remains the same. It says a lot when the best player of the last 10 years can't save this franchise.
 

Little Fury

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Must be confused what did you say?

"But the pressure is because the team is losing and the team is losing in large part because McDavid and Drai are slumping."

In the last 15 games, the Oilers are -4 at 5v5 when McDavid and/or Drai are on the ice . Before that stretch they were +12. When the team can no longer outscore their other deficiencies, they skid. There are, of course, other factors, such as the goaltending.
 

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for the record:

From Dec 1 on

McDavid has 17 points in 14 games, for a 100 point pace in games his team has gone 2-10-2 in. He's doing his job. Draisaitl is nearly a point per game as well (though he's getting scored on a lot)

Ya McDavid has done his part, and I believe McDavid has made more concerted efforts over the past two years to play a more complete game (as much "defensive responibility" can be asked from a generational offensive player.) I think McDavid still knows he can grow in this aspect, but there's definetly been progress.

Drai to me is a bit behind here- he is so talented that he can make low percentage plays work, but when it's off, he really contributes to a down swing for the team. Several times during this losing streak at the start of games, Drai has made several low percentage plays like backhand cross ice passes just inside the blue line that turn into odd man rushes against.

As a team that suffers from being in early deficits, these plays can't happen from a leader. He needs to recommit to smart hockey and let work ethic and smart plays build to goals. He so badly wants to get the team on the board first that he makes high risk plays to try to do it but more often than not lately, it's backfired.

I think drai will really benefit from playing with hyman and JP who will push the pace. Hopefully 97 can elevate his linemates as he typically always does.
 

McShogun99

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It speaks for how bad the rest of the team is when a slumping, 100 point pace Mcdavid and 82 point pace Draisaitl can’t win us any games.
 

CupofOil

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Katz won't allow a McDavid trade. The 2022 1st, 2023 1st, 2024 1st is gone before McDavid.

McDavid makes Katz a lot more money than those picks will.

You can land some combination of goalie + Chychrun + Crouse for that, the Oilers would be a contender for the next 3-4 years and then McDavid resigns.

If you're forced with a gun to your head

EDM 1st 2022 + EDM 1st 2024 + Barrie + Smith (cap dumps)
for
Chychrun + Crouse


Yamamoto + Lavoie
for
Linus Ullmark

Fire Tippett and bring in a better coach as well.

If that package was even close to good enough to land Chychrun, I'm sure it would have been signed off on a long time ago. You're missing a few top prospects to add to that to get you in the area code of Chychrun+Crouse.
 

Proko88

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I honestly don't think we're that far off. You get a new coach, trade for Chychrun and Fleury, and I think we're right there. Tinker around with the bottom 6, try RNH at 3rd line C, give Benson some minutes with skilled players, etc. Realistically, we're not that far off- its just that we need creative solutions but we all know that this organization is way too incompetent to do that.
It’s amazing. I have no idea who you are but I’m willing to bet you are not a 5 million dollar GM and yet you have it figured out. I agree 100% with your post.
 
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