ChaoticOrange
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Or a team like the Sens that has a ton of young assets and wants to exit their rebuild might make sense but it'll be a cold day in hell when Melnyk signs off on getting a 12.5 million dollar player
Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals Thread | Ken Holland, There's Nowhere to Run to, Nowhere to Hide
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Or a team like the Sens that has a ton of young assets and wants to exit their rebuild might make sense but it'll be a cold day in hell when Melnyk signs off on getting a 12.5 million dollar player
Klimando Kostani
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Wow, we have moved on to talking about trading McDavid...
I mean, its crossed my mind too.
That said, Edmonton has so many roadblocks to attracting good players.
If we trade Mcdavid and gain a functional team out of the deal. We could have a few good year's. Without top tier management though we will slowly fade into what we were before Mcdavid as RFAs choose more money, better weather, and less scrutiny in the southern markets.
No easy options here.
I mean, its crossed my mind too.
That said, Edmonton has so many roadblocks to attracting good players.
If we trade Mcdavid and gain a functional team out of the deal. We could have a few good year's. Without top tier management though we will slowly fade into what we were before Mcdavid as RFAs choose more money, better weather, and less scrutiny in the southern markets.
No easy options here.
ChaoticOrange
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If it comes down to trading McDavid, we absolutely cannot let Ken Holland make that trade. You can't do it. He'll bungle it so badly this franchise would never recover. There's a small chance that trading McDavid, getting a boatload of current help, young assets and picks and handing the team over to Draisaitl could result in this team improving but I'd never trust Ken Holland to make those moves.
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Coaching has been a yuge issue! Tippet literally sucks and some of us have been saying it for ever. Hot special teams and the Mcdrai line have given the faithful enough leverage for a few seasons but its all tumbling apart and we have nothing to fall back on because our defensive play is atrocious and has no structure.
It is clear that he has lost the room. He lost how to engage his players, and he has lost ways to deploy them. Perlini going +1 with a goal in 5 minutes of ice time in a 6-4 loss says it all. He is burning out the top players because he doesn’t know what else to do! That or he has flat out given up. Seeing his age and he basically came out of retirement would most likely prove the latter. He has given up and the players have given up. It also looks like Holland has given up because he hasn’t done a damn thing to steer this ship in the right direction. I’m not saying blow it up, on paper I actually think this team is a good team, they are just not being coached properly. Number 1 goalie and a new coach I believe will fix a lot. Sorry I’m rambling but I have so much I want to let out haha
If this team can’t rebuild around McDavid, they won’t be able to build around anyone
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I honestly don't think we're that far off. You get a new coach, trade for Chychrun and Fleury, and I think we're right there. Tinker around with the bottom 6, try RNH at 3rd line C, give Benson some minutes with skilled players, etc. Realistically, we're not that far off- its just that we need creative solutions but we all know that this organization is way too incompetent to do that.
The elephant in the room I feel is that McDavid has proven time and time again through his career that he struggles when times get tough, either in game situations (playing against a tight checking trap like Jets and Montreal last year) or when the team struggles. I'm sure I'll get roasted for this, but it's objectively true. I can't recall a time at any point in his career when there is a problem of some sort that he doesn't get sucked in to as much as anyone else on the team.
ChaoticOrange
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It doesn't help that Holland seemingly made his decisions on "how grey is this guy's beard" and "does Connor McDavid like to hang out with this dude off the ice" instead of "does this player help our team win". It's hard being exposed as a fraud that's 10 years past his best before date, I guess.
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That's not how the connection works.
When McDavid struggles the team struggles, it's that simple.
Katz won't allow a McDavid trade. The 2022 1st, 2023 1st, 2024 1st is gone before McDavid.
McDavid makes Katz a lot more money than those picks will.
You can land some combination of goalie + Chychrun + Crouse for that, the Oilers would be a contender for the next 3-4 years and then McDavid resigns.
If you're forced with a gun to your head
EDM 1st 2022 + EDM 1st 2024 + Barrie + Smith (cap dumps)
for
Chychrun + Crouse
Yamamoto + Lavoie
for
Linus Ullmark
Fire Tippett and bring in a better coach as well.
McDavid makes Katz a lot more money than those picks will.
You can land some combination of goalie + Chychrun + Crouse for that, the Oilers would be a contender for the next 3-4 years and then McDavid resigns.
If you're forced with a gun to your head
EDM 1st 2022 + EDM 1st 2024 + Barrie + Smith (cap dumps)
for
Chychrun + Crouse
Yamamoto + Lavoie
for
Linus Ullmark
Fire Tippett and bring in a better coach as well.
Forgot About Drai
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Yeah - If Mcdavid is upset witht he roster, I get it to a degree, but from all accounts he had a lot of say. Barrie, Keith, Foegele, Nurse etc. Every one of these moves it was hinted that Mcdavid had expressed support or even requested them.
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Trafalgar Sadge Law
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You guys are legit ill if you think the team will improve if we trade McDavid. Until he actually demands the trade it's not even worth considering.
At least from an offensive perspective, this isn't the case.
We're actually getting more depth scoring than any time this season through this stretch. McDavid and Leon are just in the midst of playing the worst hockey of their career by a mile. The Ottawa game was the first one I can remember in the last month where McDavid looked somewhat McDavidish (power moves to the net, actually skating with the puck, feet moving). Even then he wasn't that great.
For a while I was certain that he had to be playing through some sort of injury, but it's been so long now that I don't think it's the case.
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There really isn't much difference in Salary. McDavid is still one of the best bang for buck contracts in the league where Eichel could be one of the bad ones. McDavid doesn't have health issues either for other teams to worry about.
Also, he has no NMC/NTC so can be moved to any team. Even if he had one he would likely waive it because he is the one wanting out.
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Agreed. I don’t see how it could be said to be otherwise. If McDrai were playing somewhere between this “worst of their careers” and the “best of their careers” we saw at the beginning of the season, they’d likely have at least 4-6 more points on the board even with this shire goaltending
AddyTheWrath
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My question is how are we not willing to spend multiple 1sts or blue chip prospects for a starting goalie. This franchise isn’t going anywhere without one.
You’re telling me Boston wouldn’t do Barrie, 1st + for Ullmark?
Anyway, CJ says Holland is looking for goaltending. Can’t wait to either not see anything happen or see Holland get fleeced I guess.
Imagine thinking that banking on another miracle year from Smith and/or the ghost of Koskinen past would be a good call.
You’re telling me Boston wouldn’t do Barrie, 1st + for Ullmark?
Anyway, CJ says Holland is looking for goaltending. Can’t wait to either not see anything happen or see Holland get fleeced I guess.
Imagine thinking that banking on another miracle year from Smith and/or the ghost of Koskinen past would be a good call.
Trading McDavid might some day be the only play left but before you even consider it there has to be a complete overhaul of management and coaching staff and see if a new group can get better results WITH McDavid and Draisaitl. Trading McDavid if done right could end up filling enough holes that you create a strong team with a good chance of contending but having both McDavid and Draisaitl and making smart additions around them has the far better chance of being a true powerhouse and you have to give at least one more GM with different upper management and new coaching staff a shot to surround McDrai with the pieces needed to become that team.
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This is mostly just narrative-driven nonsense. Even winning the Art Ross and being +20 in a team that was -40 without him on the ice is apparently still struggling with the team.
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That goes for all top players btw. Heck even Tampa leaned on their third line from time to time, even deep in the playoffs.
Ok I'll qualify the statement.
When the team is out of the playoffs by November 15th he still manages to find his game at some point when the pressure is off. When the pressure is on and it isn't working for the team he struggles every single time. Would be happy to be proven wrong.
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