Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals: If Someone From the Core Gets Dealt Who Should it Be?

[40oz]

You know, if I based it off last season, I would agree. But this season, wow, Klefbom is WORSE than his rookie year.

Nothing this season from him screams anymore than #3/#4.

Schultz of all players is outplaying him.

I can't believe I need to say this, but you don't make long term roster decisions based on 4 games. Trading Yakupov and Klefbom for a 38 year old Chara is a bad decision anyway you look at it. Even if he plays like his prime and stays healthy, that's an unreasonable price because teams don't acquire pieces like that at full price because no one does. If that's the price, you walk away and wait a few months until Boston realizes their time is running out to get a decent return. Or you wait for someone else to have a falling out or needing a change of scenery. There's no quick fix here, the only thing that Chia can do is be ready to take advantage of a situation when it arises by creating cap space, contract spots, and stockpiling assets.

edit: that kind of pieces in a package could land you a top line player under 30 (see Carter, Nash, Richards trades).

 

[duul]

Isn't it disgusting that teams like Ottawa, Vancouver, Montreal, NYI, Winnipeg, Calgary all make the playoffs last year? We have significantly more talent up front than any of those teams.

You know what they do have? Good defencemen and big, strong forwards who win puck battles. Chiarelli knows this better than anyone else, as he constructed in my eyes the best playoff team possible in 2011. Here's to hoping he gets rid of these ***** forwards who lose most of their battles and replaces them with people willing to work.

I would be so happy if we traded Hall, RNH, Yakupov, and Eberle. Traded them all in "losing" trades for less skilled players who battle.

Look at last game. That Parayko rookie kid would be our best defencemen and he's a #5 guy on St. Louis. Our team is truly garbage.

 

[Broilers]

this. how anyone can still be on board with the Hall-Ebs-RNH-Schultz-Yak cluster is beyond me. How much evidence to you need to finally admit they're not that good as a group? I'd say keep Hall and Ebs and see if there's a worthwhile trade(s) for the others.

this is why Draisaitl is in the minors playing C instead of playing winger with the big team (Drai is clearly better then Slep and Purcel); to get him up to snuff at C so that a trade involving RNH is an option.

the older core's time is almost up.

I agree. I want Reinhart and Sleps to be sent to minors so they will stop seeing this mess. After that I will trade the core you mentioned one player at time as long as the team starts to win

 

[backhandsauce]

IMO this losing streak and the PP really shows us how important Eberle is to the Oilers. He can virtually play on any line and have success.

The guys who don't get moved should be,

97,93,29,14,25.

 

[Mr Positive]

Getting Chara would be a lot like how Florida got Jagr. Jagr isn't elite anymore, but if the player fits the needs of the team perfectly, then they can put up an elite performance. Chara would steady our team and make everyone start looking better.

I know the trick is that we have to deal with Boston to do it, but for all we know there is not much truth to all these rumours. It's at least worth a shot to ask if Boston really is putting him up for sale. Only Chia knows if it is impossible or not.

As for the cost, I imagine the starting point would be our 1st, and likely our 1st plus a decent prospect. That's the value of other comparable trades.

 

[McIce Whole]

We are four games into the season. 78 games left. People need to relax. We knew we weren't going to make playoffs this year but this team has played well outside of the Dallas game. I don't understand why everyone is panicking. Our PP struggles are a concern, they really do need to fix that.

Our D isn't good enough and it honestly never will be until Nurse, Reinhart and Klef develop and take that next step or we somehow magically land a number 1 dmen through the draft, UFA signing or trade but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

As much as people rip on Eberle (myself included) he makes a big impact. He was our leading scorer last year, he has consistently been one of our top point scorers and the Pouliot - Nuge - Eberle line allows us to roll 3 scoring lines which we can't do at the moment. However, with all that said, Mcdavid, Hall, Yak, Schultz, RNH all need to play better. They aren't kids anymore. They need to step it up and start generating more offence, especially on our PP.

 

[Soundwave]

Getting Chara would be a lot like how Florida got Jagr. Jagr isn't elite anymore, but if the player fits the needs of the team perfectly, then they can put up an elite performance. Chara would steady our team and make everyone start looking better.

I know the trick is that we have to deal with Boston to do it, but for all we know there is not much truth to all these rumours. It's at least worth a shot to ask if Boston really is putting him up for sale. Only Chia knows if it is impossible or not.

As for the cost, I imagine the starting point would be our 1st, and likely our 1st plus a decent prospect. That's the value of other comparable trades.

Yup. No thanks.

Jagr still has cartilage in his knees too and playing wing is much easier on the body than playing D. Dude would probably come here and get hurt in his 4th game.

 

[CaptainChef]

But no one is giving up top pairing D.

Buff says hello. He plays top line minutes, is a very good possession player, great PP quarterback, and physical to a fault.

Can't see Wpg resigning both Ladd & Buff; looks like one or both will eventually be traded. Sure there's a risk, but those are exactly the sort of players you need to add grit to your team.

Won't come cheap for either player (and really doubt that Ladd is available), but at some point you need to change the chemistry of this team & add some veteran grit to your lineup. Not sure if a 1st alone does it, but I'm guessing that if one or both are unsigned in a month, the bidding wars will be pretty fierce.

 

[Mr Positive]

Yup. No thanks.

Jagr still has cartilage in his knees too and playing wing is much easier on the body than playing D. Dude would probably come here and get hurt in his 4th game.

Everyone keeps saying his knees are done but I saw him in a couple of games and he looked great. I don't see the issue.

 

[Soundwave]

Everyone keeps saying his knees are done but I saw him in a couple of games and he looked great. I don't see the issue.

The knee issue he has does not get better. And **** the 1st rounder nonsense, lol, we'd be doing Boston a huge favor in getting them off the hook of the contract, they can eat Purcell and they'd probably still do it, though Neely probably has such a grudge against Chia up his rear end.

 

[Young Lions*]

Buff says hello. He plays top line minutes, is a very good possession player, great PP quarterback, and physical to a fault.

Can't see Wpg resigning both Ladd & Buff; looks like one or both will eventually be traded. Sure there's a risk, but those are exactly the sort of players you need to add grit to your team.

Won't come cheap for either player (and really doubt that Ladd is available), but at some point you need to change the chemistry of this team & add some veteran grit to your lineup. Not sure if a 1st alone does it, but I'm guessing that if one or both are unsigned in a month, the bidding wars will be pretty fierce.

If Winnipeg isn't re-signing him, we might as well wait and sign him ourselves without giving up any assets in a trade.

 

[doulos]

Everyone keeps saying his knees are done but I saw him in a couple of games and he looked great. I don't see the issue.

He's going to play until he's 50...lol.

Seriously though, he's a machine that works out to such an unreal degree. Hockey is his entire life and what we're witnessing is one of the greatest long term athletes the sport of hockey will ever see.

EDIT: I misread this post. Thought you were talking about Jagr.

 

[oilz89*]

You know, if I based it off last season, I would agree. But this season, wow, Klefbom is WORSE than his rookie year.

Nothing this season from him screams anymore than #3/#4.

Schultz of all players is outplaying him.

Please stop posting! What you say has no relevance to reality and you make noo nooo sense. Stop posting please After 4 games Klef sucks and he's gonna be traded for CHARA LOL it sounds funnier when i say it in person

 

[Oilfan2]

The knee issue he has does not get better. And **** the 1st rounder nonsense, lol, we'd be doing Boston a huge favor in getting them off the hook of the contract, they can eat Purcell and they'd probably still do it, though Neely probably has such a grudge against Chia up his rear end.

Doesn't need to. It's manageable and, depending on when the initial injury was, will last for years with proper management. We only need 2-3 years out of him.

Sure, he'll probably need a knee replacement sometime down the road but he's still young enough, with the right exercise, etc., to manage it.
I'm speaking from experience...

 

[Soundwave]

Doesn't need to. It's manageable and, depending on when the initial injury was, will last for years with proper management. We only need 2-3 years out of him.

Sure, he'll probably need a knee replacement sometime down the road but he's still young enough, with the right exercise, etc., to manage it.
I'm speaking from experience...

I'd consider it but not at the expense of our 1st rounder, no freaking way. We are doing Boston a favor getting rid of that albatross of a contract.

Knowing our luck though I strongly feel he would get injured in like his first week here. It's the Oiler way.

 

[frag2]

Please stop posting! What you say has no relevance to reality and you make noo nooo sense. Stop posting please After 4 games Klef sucks and he's gonna be traded for CHARA LOL it sounds funnier when i say it in person

You should check your own post history before you start talking like that

How else is this team gonna get better? I guess keep holding onto them lucky charms

 

[PKSpecialist]

I am probably one of the most patient posters on this site as far as our team goes, but the overreactions here absolutely floor me.

Last year almost everyone on this board was choked that we didn't get a veteran center in the offseason and went into the year with RNH-Arcobello-Draisaitl-Gordon.

Now there are people on here wanting to trade RNH(262 games played) for a #1 dman, and that would leave us with the center depth of McDavid-Draisaitl-Letestu-Lander.

I, personally, am not against doing this. I am a patient man and understand how difficult it is to build the right blend of hockey players to succeed. A number one dman is a huge need on this team. That said, this team isn't going to do anything of great proportions with McDavid and Draisaitl as the top 2 centers over the next 2 to 3 years.

Myself, I can handle that, but before you post it on here, remember the consequences. In the Western Conference, having two centers with less than 200games experience in this league as your top two options is as much a recipe for disaster as not having a #1 dman.

 

[Mr Positive]

The knee issue he has does not get better. And **** the 1st rounder nonsense, lol, we'd be doing Boston a huge favor in getting them off the hook of the contract, they can eat Purcell and they'd probably still do it, though Neely probably has such a grudge against Chia up his rear end.

What's the point of even giving up Purcell if you don't think Chara is any good? Like I said, the comparables are there. Marty St.Louis was traded for more than that, and going back Ray Bourque was traded for a lot too. A 1st rounder is common in trades like this. I'm definitely not going to give up any established young players we have

And imo the contract is not that bad. We could probably get 1 million of retention, and imo it would be worth it even if he doesn't play in the final season. That would be 4 million in year 3, probably sitting on the LTIR, but even if not we should be able to absorb a cap hit like this since we're gearing up for McDavid's extension anyway.

 

[Up the Irons]

Isn't it disgusting that teams like Ottawa, Vancouver, Montreal, NYI, Winnipeg, Calgary all make the playoffs last year? We have significantly more talent up front than any of those teams.

You know what they do have? Good defencemen and big, strong forwards who win puck battles. Chiarelli knows this better than anyone else, as he constructed in my eyes the best playoff team possible in 2011. Here's to hoping he gets rid of these ***** forwards who lose most of their battles and replaces them with people willing to work.

I would be so happy if we traded Hall, RNH, Yakupov, and Eberle. Traded them all in "losing" trades for less skilled players who battle.

Look at last game. That Parayko rookie kid would be our best defencemen and he's a #5 guy on St. Louis. Our team is truly garbage.

except we don't. that's the big myth. we have players picked high in draft position. RNH is not exceptional and Yak is a clueless player that will be in the KHL before he's 30. Schultz is average at best.

 

[Young Lions*]

Isn't it disgusting that teams like Ottawa, Vancouver, Montreal, NYI, Winnipeg, Calgary all make the playoffs last year? We have significantly more talent up front than any of those teams.

You know what they do have? Good defencemen and big, strong forwards who win puck battles. Chiarelli knows this better than anyone else, as he constructed in my eyes the best playoff team possible in 2011. Here's to hoping he gets rid of these ***** forwards who lose most of their battles and replaces them with people willing to work.

I would be so happy if we traded Hall, RNH, Yakupov, and Eberle. Traded them all in "losing" trades for less skilled players who battle.

Look at last game. That Parayko rookie kid would be our best defencemen and he's a #5 guy on St. Louis. Our team is truly garbage.

So basically you want the Oilers of the late '90s/early '00s. A bunch of low-talent, big-hearted plumbers who could, if everything breaks right, scrape into the playoffs and if they are reaaaaallly lucky, steal a round, but who never have the talent to win anything more. In other words: the very cycle the rebuild was meant to break.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

What's the point of even giving up Purcell if you don't think Chara is any good? Like I said, the comparables are there. Marty St.Louis was traded for more than that, and going back Ray Bourque was traded for a lot too. A 1st rounder is common in trades like this. I'm definitely not going to give up any established young players we have

And imo the contract is not that bad. We could probably get 1 million of retention, and imo it would be worth it even if he doesn't play in the final season. That would be 4 million in year 3, probably sitting on the LTIR, but even if not we should be able to absorb a cap hit like this since we're gearing up for McDavid's extension anyway.

Problem is, those teams made those trades as teams already close to the playoffs and needed an extra push. We aren't even close

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Might I suggest a playoff hall would be an enticing unknown commodity if we go the blow up route.

 

[Narnia]

Yakupov + Klefbom for Chara + 2nd.

Posters will ***** saying Chara is long past due but still better than what we have IMO.

Don't want a grandfather and he plays for Boston. Boston would demand Nurse++++++ for Chara.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

except we don't. that's the big myth. we have players picked high in draft position. RNH is not exceptional and Yak is a clueless player that will be in the KHL before he's 30. Schultz is average at best.

This is so true. All these players have been led to believe that the Oilers are this offensive powerhouse and everyone drafted 1st overall or high in the draft has to be this impact player that puts up a ton of points.

This has caused us to have a team full of players believing they need to be a superstar trying to do everything themselves. It's really up to the management and coaching staff to drill it into these guys head that once everyone accepts their role and plays within the confines the systems put in place and they all start working as a team instead of individuals then the game will get easier and that's when the points come.

Guys who can't or won't accept that will be moved when the time is right.

 

[oil Leaks]

Chara = Andrew Ference 2.0