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He will likely leave the Ducks, though it is questionable if he would stay in the west. In all likeliness, he goes east to be near his family or back to Canada to play for the Habs or something.

If he should stay west, we would likely have the best chance to get him out of anyone given the convenience of not having to move, having lots of his friends on the team (he can also still socialize with his ex-teammates), and the Kings are built to contend for a while and don't have issues with ownership. It is just fitting that contract. If we had the cap space, we would be a serious contender to get him, but with our current cap situation, in all likeliness, he goes elsewhere.
 
If Perry gets to UFA status some dumbass GM out East will amnesty buyout a player in order to give Perry a boatload of money. That's my prediction at least.
 
KINGS17 said:
If Perry gets to UFA status some dumbass GM out East will amnesty buyout a player in order to give Perry a boatload of money. That's my prediction at least.
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Montreal shouldn't have to buy out anyone and they have the money and media attention Perry would demand.
 
Toronto will have no problem making Perry the highest paid player in the league.

Toronto is desperate for a Star.
 
kingsfan said:
Montreal shouldn't have to buy out anyone and they have the money and media attention Perry would demand.
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Um yeah, I was thinking Homer or Sather.

Does Perry have any reason to want to go to Montreal, other than money I mean?
 
funky said:
Grabner is my final submission. 3 mil a year for 3 years is nice. He has speed and hands and fits on Kopitars line. He is young with growth still expected. He would cost but NYI needs a little of everything and he may be a sleeper
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I've wanted him since he was waived. His ability was obvious. Quite a blunder by Tallon.
 
Telos said:
I've wanted him since he was waived. His ability was obvious. Quite a blunder by Tallon.
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Am I the only one who sees Grabner failing moreso than Penner here? I just really don't see him fitting this team.
 
We're Kings fans. Free agents don't want to come here unless you're Rob Scuderi or Pavol Demitra (RIP). We need to remember that. Perry is a pipe dream unless money doesn't matter and his friends and the So Cal lifestyle matter more. I love Williams, but I'd move him in a heartbeat for Perry. I'd move Stoll, Williams and banish Penner to planet X to have Perry on this team. He's a ****ing rat but he'd be a perfect addition to the team.

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Playing armchair GM with capgeek's cap calculator, I tried to see how the Kings lineup may look if they re-signed their players, including Scuderi as the lone UFA being brought back as well as Bernier, Voynov, Clifford, Martinez, Lewis, Nolan, and Muzzin), and added Perry at $7.5M to see how it would affect the Kings' cap situation in 2013-14.

FORWARDS
Dustin Brown ($3.175m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Justin Williams ($3.650m)
Corey Perry ($5.325m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.273m)
Dwight King ($0.750m) / Jarret Stoll ($3.250m) / Trevor Lewis ($0.735m)
Kyle Clifford ($0.714m) / Colin Fraser ($0.825m) / Jordan Nolan ($0.578m)

DEFENSEMEN
Rob Scuderi ($3.400m) / Drew Doughty ($7.000m)
Willie Mitchell ($3.500m) / Slava Voynov ($0.827m)
Alec Martinez ($0.774m) / Matt Greene ($2.950m)
Jake Muzzin ($0.635m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($5.800m)
Jonathan Bernier ($1.525m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,235,727; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,064,273

For some reason their site is buggy in copying and pasting a roster with the salary figures I entered in, but I assumed that it would take $2.5M to re-sign Voynov long term, a little over $1M for Lewis and Martinez, Bernier at $1.8M, and some bumps in salary for Clifford, Nolan and Muzzin. I assume if Scuderi returns it'll be at a reduced price and I set his salary at $3M. So after all of those numbers, the Kings would have a 21-man roster with a little over $1M of cap space.

They'd gain even more cap space if they moved Bernier and/or somehow moved or used a compliance buyout on Jarret Stoll. While I don't have high hopes for the Kings to sign Corey Perry, I just wanted to run this by to show that it certainly is possible to sign him, given that he wants to remain in SoCal, play for a competitive team, and play with some players that he is friends with off the ice (and has also played with in international competition).
 
Tonellisghost said:
With the Ducks ridiculous NMC $8plus million 8yr contract to Getzlaf to me it looks pretty much like Perry is certainly going to go somewhere else.

I still see us being in the running for him up to a point. We will have to move some things around and I am not certain I would be for us doing that but I could still us wanting to or trying to figure out a way to bring him to the Kings.

I think that the Rags will move Gabby and more to try and pick up Perry when the Ducks start tanking before the end of the season. Of course, that would have to happen first but I do hate the Ducks so I can dream.
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Under the new CBA the contract isn't that bad. It's going to be the norm for UFA that are better than average. We're lucky in having many pieces that are signed under the old CBA. Under the old CBA this would have been a 10 year deal with the final two years at rock bottom prices to bring the AAV down. They can't do that anymore.
Many are still thinking of this under the old CBA because the new one is so new. And when looking at this contract against the old it does seem crazy but most of those contracts wouldn't have been legal in the new system. And all the guys on our team with these nice long term deals, expect Quick, were signed as RFA not UFA.
If we really want to see how crazy things can get lets look at Malkin for a minute. Cap is already set at 64,3M for next year and that is the year they can sign him. So he could get 8 years 12.8M a year max. And does anyone really think he won't get the max? And ask yourself is Malkin worth 4.5M a year more than Getzlaf?
And if you want to really get crazy and do some math we can look at what Stamkos is looking at getting when his contract is up. This is just considering that the NHL has already announced an projected HHR of 2.4B for this year with the shortened season. So say it goes back to 3.2B next year and grows by the 7% is has every year for the last 7. We are looking at a cap of 69.1M in 15-16 when Stamkos can be signed or a max of 13.82M a year. And once again does anyone expect Stamkos to not get the max? And that is the year we also will be trying to get Kopi to sign. Where I don't think he is a max salary contender he will be in the 10M mark I would suspect. Making this 8.25 a year seem like a nice number.
We can argue all day about the NMC but the 8.25M a year is not a bad contract under the new CBA unless a player that is above average is trying to really help his team. Getzlaf is almost a point per game player at .93 and that is with his one really bad year.
 
damacles1156 said:
Toronto will have no problem making Perry the highest paid player in the league.

Toronto is desperate for a Star.
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I don't think they're that desperate for a star. For the first time in years they have a strong core of good players and Kadri is playing really well. They have JvR, Lupul, Kessel and solid goaltenders. I do think they could sign Perry but not because they need a star. Nonis also isn't the type of GM to make a splash for the sake of making a splash. He is very low key and intelligent.
 
tsanuri said:
Under the new CBA the contract isn't that bad. It's going to be the norm for UFA that are better than average. We're lucky in having many pieces that are signed under the old CBA. Under the old CBA this would have been a 10 year deal with the final two years at rock bottom prices to bring the AAV down. They can't do that anymore.
Many are still thinking of this under the old CBA because the new one is so new. And when looking at this contract against the old it does seem crazy but most of those contracts wouldn't have been legal in the new system. And all the guys on our team with these nice long term deals, expect Quick, were signed as RFA not UFA.
If we really want to see how crazy things can get lets look at Malkin for a minute. Cap is already set at 64,3M for next year and that is the year they can sign him. So he could get 8 years 12.8M a year max. And does anyone really think he won't get the max? And ask yourself is Malkin worth 4.5M a year more than Getzlaf?
And if you want to really get crazy and do some math we can look at what Stamkos is looking at getting when his contract is up. This is just considering that the NHL has already announced an projected HHR of 2.4B for this year with the shortened season. So say it goes back to 3.2B next year and grows by the 7% is has every year for the last 7. We are looking at a cap of 69.1M in 15-16 when Stamkos can be signed or a max of 13.82M a year. And once again does anyone expect Stamkos to not get the max? And that is the year we also will be trying to get Kopi to sign. Where I don't think he is a max salary contender he will be in the 10M mark I would suspect. Making this 8.25 a year seem like a nice number.
We can argue all day about the NMC but the 8.25M a year is not a bad contract under the new CBA unless a player that is above average is trying to really help his team. Getzlaf is almost a point per game player at .93 and that is with his one really bad year.
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Those are excellent points, I still haven't come to terms with the new cba yet so there is room for error on my part. That said with the cap dropping to 64 next year and the NMC I still think they overpad or overvalued for Getzlaf. Time will tell but you make some great points.
 
didnt perry say he didnt want to play in big markets. so that rules out toronto, montreal and the american eastern teams. :)
 
Tonellisghost said:
Those are excellent points, I still haven't come to terms with the new cba yet so there is room for error on my part. That said with the cap dropping to 64 next year and the NMC I still think they overpad or overvalued for Getzlaf. Time will tell but you make some great points.
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Here is the crazy thing that will be the low point if growth continues at the 7% mark. And with the numbers the NHL has given for this year projected I don't see any real reason to think it won't and maybe even grow next year above the 3.2B throwing the numbers even higher.
Where NMC are great for players they aren't so much for clubs but you have to think he has become friends with Carter and Richards being so close. And you'd have to think that came into play. They both thought when they were signing they were going to be staying put. And we can only speculate how much they were able to maybe knock off because of the NMC.
 
KINGS17 said:
Um yeah, I was thinking Homer or Sather.

Does Perry have any reason to want to go to Montreal, other than money I mean?
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Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I could see Slats and Homer doing that for sure. I was just making a point that some teams could give him the money and not need to buy out anyone.

And honestly, I expect Perry's demands to just be money and limelight. Montreal and Toronto are the best of the best for that, and Montreal could give him what he wants, as could NYR, but NYR would have to juggle a few things to get him in there, while Montreal is able to just slide him in. Not to mention, Montreal is the top team in the East right now and if they hold that level (I don't think they will) then it'll only add more to the appeal.

Ziggy Stardust said:
Playing armchair GM with capgeek's cap calculator, I tried to see how the Kings lineup may look if they re-signed their players, including Scuderi as the lone UFA being brought back as well as Bernier, Voynov, Clifford, Martinez, Lewis, Nolan, and Muzzin), and added Perry at $7.5M to see how it would affect the Kings' cap situation in 2013-14.

FORWARDS
Dustin Brown ($3.175m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Justin Williams ($3.650m)
Corey Perry ($5.325m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.273m)
Dwight King ($0.750m) / Jarret Stoll ($3.250m) / Trevor Lewis ($0.735m)
Kyle Clifford ($0.714m) / Colin Fraser ($0.825m) / Jordan Nolan ($0.578m)

DEFENSEMEN
Rob Scuderi ($3.400m) / Drew Doughty ($7.000m)
Willie Mitchell ($3.500m) / Slava Voynov ($0.827m)
Alec Martinez ($0.774m) / Matt Greene ($2.950m)
Jake Muzzin ($0.635m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($5.800m)
Jonathan Bernier ($1.525m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,235,727; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,064,273

For some reason their site is buggy in copying and pasting a roster with the salary figures I entered in, but I assumed that it would take $2.5M to re-sign Voynov long term, a little over $1M for Lewis and Martinez, Bernier at $1.8M, and some bumps in salary for Clifford, Nolan and Muzzin. I assume if Scuderi returns it'll be at a reduced price and I set his salary at $3M. So after all of those numbers, the Kings would have a 21-man roster with a little over $1M of cap space.

They'd gain even more cap space if they moved Bernier and/or somehow moved or used a compliance buyout on Jarret Stoll. While I don't have high hopes for the Kings to sign Corey Perry, I just wanted to run this by to show that it certainly is possible to sign him, given that he wants to remain in SoCal, play for a competitive team, and play with some players that he is friends with off the ice (and has also played with in international competition).
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You have Voynov at $827,000. No way that will happen. $2.5 per as you said is much more likely, and if that happened, then we'd be over the cap. And all of this expects a lot of guys to just resign at or very slightly above their current value. A-Mart for example will likely command $1.1 -$1.3 million per on a 2 year deal, or more on a longer term deal. Lewis is only getting a $10,000 raise? Not likely. I'm not 100% certain on the new CBA, but I believe there is still the 10% raise to even qualify a guy who makes less than the average annual salary in the league and is an RFA. If so, that would likely add a few million more on to your projections. We aren't getting Perry unless we dump someone in all likelihood.

tsanuri said:
If we really want to see how crazy things can get lets look at Malkin for a minute. Cap is already set at 64,3M for next year and that is the year they can sign him. So he could get 8 years 12.8M a year max. And does anyone really think he won't get the max? And ask yourself is Malkin worth 4.5M a year more than Getzlaf?
And if you want to really get crazy and do some math we can look at what Stamkos is looking at getting when his contract is up. This is just considering that the NHL has already announced an projected HHR of 2.4B for this year with the shortened season. So say it goes back to 3.2B next year and grows by the 7% is has every year for the last 7. We are looking at a cap of 69.1M in 15-16 when Stamkos can be signed or a max of 13.82M a year. And once again does anyone expect Stamkos to not get the max?
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Since the salary cap came into place, the only time any players recieved the maximum salary is the first off-season after the CBA was signed when guys like Chara, etc. got the maximum. Since then, no one has got the maximum, UFA or RFA. That includes Sidney Crosby, and if anyone is going to be worth the maximum it'd be him considering the endorsements and publicity he brings in. I doubt Malkin or Stamkos get the maximum, or even within a couple of million of it. No one is above $10 million annually, there won't be an immeditae jump to the maximum.
 
Black1963 said:
You guys do realize that IF we did land Perry, we'd be saying "adios" to Ryan right? Perry or Ryan? One or the other is how I see it. Definitely not both.
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I hate Perry on the Sucks but would love him in LA. That being said, I think he will follow the money wherever it is.....wont be in LA.
 
Knight of the Realm said:
I hate Perry on the Sucks but would love him in LA. That being said, I think he will follow the money wherever it is.....wont be in LA.
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Yeah, I agree that it will take the same type of money that Getz got, but how funny will it be if Perry turned down Getz' money with the dux and signed with us for less? Major slap in the face.
 
Black1963 said:
You guys do realize that IF we did land Perry, we'd be saying "adios" to Ryan right? Perry or Ryan? One or the other is how I see it. Definitely not both.
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Ryan? Wtf?

And if we had to get one of those, give me Perry as a UFA. That wouldn't cost us any assets. Ryan would.
 
Black1963 said:
Yeah, I agree that it will take the same type of money that Getz got, but how funny will it be if Perry turned down Getz' money with the dux and signed with us for less? Major slap in the face.
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IF Perry could be convinced to sign in LA for anywhere around 6m/avg I think LA would have to do it, but that is probably as high as they could go likely. Just don't see it.
 
Knight of the Realm said:
IF Perry could be convinced to sign in LA for anywhere around 6m/avg I think LA would have to do it, but that is probably as high as they could go likely. Just don't see it.
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I can see DL offering something close to Kopi's numbers, but then again, this is just a fantasy more than anything. Perry will sign elsewhere and get paid big time.
 
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