Rumor: Trade Rumor Thread XIII

[Raspewtin]

The only reason I'm upset with the MDZ trade is because Sather could have robbed a team that coveted him merely a season and a half ago... and chose to do no such thing.

Were you really clamoring for DZ to be traded coming off his 41 point season?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

For me, it comes down to this:

Do the Rangers, as constructed, have what it takes to win the cup (i.e. win four 7-game series against the other top teams in the league)?

In short, no.

Why?

First and foremost, due to the lack of a true, dynamic, first-line center. There's no one on the roster who fits the bill and no one in the system who is likely to become that player - the center prospects the team controls simply don't have that upside, much as I like guys like Lindberg.

Therefore, they should do what is necessary to acquire that player. And, conversely, avoid all moves that would make acquiring that player more difficult.

Signing Girardi and Callahan makes acquiring that player more difficult, because propping up this current roster such that it's 2-round worthy makes it that much more unlikely that the Rangers will be in position to draft such a player. Letting them walk makes acquiring that player more difficult, because such players NEVER hit UFA, so the cap space freed does not help. Therefore, you MUST trade them, either for kids who have a chance to become that player or for draft picks that you can use to find that player.

Get on it, Slats.

 

[Ola]

The Phillips Curve has been debunked, Ola, but I do agree that Canada has a more stable economy at present, due in part to the sizeable nature of its banks. We can argue about economics elsewhere, at another time, though.

This is not even OT!

I had to look up Phillips Curve, what has been debunked is inflations connection to employment. But as far as I know, the new terminology is job-less growth more or less. Job-less or not, its still growth.

Sweden is a high exporting country with a very small currency. Not much unlike Canada at all actually. Undoubtedly, a lower loonie will set the Canadian industry going.

We also don't know how much the NHL has hedged itself against the loonie. It was quite high going into this season.

 

[RangerBoy]

That's what you took from my post..lol

3 games will determine the course of the next 7 years. I bet when you typed that you had a real dramatic voice in your head.

No, but waiting until after the olympic break and using the complete body of work makes sense.

I know you need a deal today but I don't think you are going to get it. Do you really think the talent the team will get for Girardi and Callahan is going to somehow shape the team into a contender for the next 7 years?

So RB, What do the Rangers do if a team isn't willing to trade the Rangers pieces that will shape the next 7 years? Let's hear the RB plan! What do you think is going on behind the scenes? Re-read my original post and tell me where my rational into what the Rangers are doing is wrong.

What's your problem? You always have the same antagonistic tone. Seriously what is your malfunction? How have you missed my ignore list until now?

 

[Cassano]

For me, it comes down to this:

Do the Rangers, as constructed, have what it takes to win the cup (i.e. win four 7-game series against the other top teams in the league)?

In short, no.

Why?

First and foremost, due to the lack of a true, dynamic, first-line center. There's no one on the roster who fits the bill and no one in the system who is likely to become that player - the center prospects the team controls simply don't have that upside, much as I like guys like Lindberg.

Therefore, they should do what is necessary to acquire that player. And, conversely, avoid all moves that would make acquiring that player more difficult.

Signing Girardi and Callahan makes acquiring that player more difficult, because propping up this current roster such that it's 2-round worthy makes it that much more unlikely that the Rangers will be in position to draft such a player. Letting them walk makes acquiring that player more difficult, because such players NEVER hit UFA, so the cap space freed does not help. Therefore, you MUST trade them, either for kids who have a chance to become that player or for draft picks that you can use to find that player.

Get on it, Slats.

#1Cs are never available unless you tank. (for the most part)

 

[Blue Blooded]

The only reason I'm upset with the MDZ trade is because Sather could have robbed a team that coveted him merely a season and a half ago... and chose to do no such thing.

I'm pissed as the returning defenceman was of the exact opposite mould of what I would've wanted.

Klein is decent I guess, but he won't ever be more than a 3rd pairing D on a contender and $2.9M is too expensive a contract for that role.

Sharks fans felt Justin Braun was an acceptable piece for MDZ and that would've been a great trade for us.

Maybe try to get Gardiner out of Toronto where Carlyle seems to hate him.

Klein is a dying breed of defenceman.

 

[Ola]

For me, it comes down to this:

Do the Rangers, as constructed, have what it takes to win the cup (i.e. win four 7-game series against the other top teams in the league)?

In short, no.

Why?

First and foremost, due to the lack of a true, dynamic, first-line center. There's no one on the roster who fits the bill and no one in the system who is likely to become that player - the center prospects the team controls simply don't have that upside, much as I like guys like Lindberg.

Therefore, they should do what is necessary to acquire that player. And, conversely, avoid all moves that would make acquiring that player more difficult.

Signing Girardi and Callahan makes acquiring that player more difficult, because propping up this current roster such that it's 2-round worthy makes it that much more unlikely that the Rangers will be in position to draft such a player. Letting them walk makes acquiring that player more difficult, because such players NEVER hit UFA, so the cap space freed does not help. Therefore, you MUST trade them, either for kids who have a chance to become that player or for draft picks that you can use to find that player.

Get on it, Slats.

But if we don't have players on cap-friendly deals, when are we ever going to afford a good team built around that center you are talking about?

Sometime you gotta take a step backwards to take two forwards. We will never be able to do that without good players signed to good deals. The only way to do that is to lock up a player at market value today, and then benefit when the cap has gone up and the players turns cheap.

How long are we going to push this problem ahead of us?

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Were you really clamoring for DZ to be traded coming off his 41 point season?

Yes. I've been clamoring for a DZ trade for like the last 3 years. Over rated player.

 

[Blue Blooded]

#1Cs are never available unless you tank. (for the most part)

Seguin was available this summer. God I'm pissed we missed the boat on him.

Something around Callahan and/or Girardi may have gotten it done, though we would've had to give up some good prospects in the process (likely Miller and/or Kreider).

 

[Vitto79]

I think we need to come to the realization this team is going to try and win now. The East is up for grabs. Pens and Bruins at the top then everyone else is even for the most part

They are going to keep Callahan and Girardi. Even if they are not signed by the deadline. Can you honestly see Sather moving one of them for future assets? Not saying that's right or wrong just wont happen.

They will look to add if anything but the , G,D and F lines seem set. They may add a Forward but not move a roster guy unless its Falk or Pouliott

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I'm pissed as the returning defenceman was of the exact opposite mould of what I would've wanted.

Klein is decent I guess, but he won't ever be more than a 3rd pairing D on a contender and $2.9M is too expensive a contract for that role.

Sharks fans felt Justin Braun was an acceptable piece for MDZ and that would've been a great trade for us.

Maybe try to get Gardiner out of Toronto where Carlyle seems to hate him.

Klein is a dying breed of defenceman.

I think he's a stable 2nd pairing defenseman, who really doesn't make many mistakes at all. I think DZ's value would have continued to drop and Klein's will always remain relatively consistent. We traded risk for proven. If Klein improves he'll be a steal. If Klein remains at the same level, which he is more than likely to do, in a year or 2 we can trade him for a 2nd or even a first depending on how desperate a team is for his services. We got a nearly guaranteed floor for the value with a lower ceiling. We traded a higher potential ceiling with a much lower floor for a lower potential ceiling with a much higher floor. Considering Del Zotto's trend... I like the trade.

Considering that we could have traded him sooner for much much more, I think it was idiotic.

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

What's your problem? You always have the same antagonistic tone. Seriously what is your malfunction? How have you missed my ignore list until now?

You are the last person who should be talking about disrespectful tone.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

#1Cs are never available unless you tank. (for the most part)

Established #1Cs never are available. Correct.

Seguin was available this summer. God I'm pissed we missed the boat on him.

Something around Callahan and/or Girardi may have gotten it done, though we would've had to give up some good prospects in the process (likely Miller and/or Kreider).

But, as Blue Blooded points out, prospects who MIGHT become #1Cs ARE sometimes available. My whole point is that they should be trading Callahan and Girardi to acquire multiple chances at that player. A Zibanejad, a Galchenyuk, a Barkov/Huberdeau/Bjugstad, a Nugent-Hopkins, a Seguin. I'm not saying that any one of those specific players are available - although one obviously was over the summer - or that any of them are GUARANTEED to be 1st line centers. But you need to take shots at them. Trading Cally and Girardi lets you do that.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I think we need to come to the realization this team is going to try and win now. The East is up for grabs. Pens and Bruins at the top then everyone else is even for the most part

They are going to keep Callahan and Girardi. Even if they are not signed by the deadline. Can you honestly see Sather moving one of them for future assets? Not saying that's right or wrong just wont happen.

They will look to add if anything but the , G,D and F lines seem set. They may add a Forward but not move a roster guy unless its Falk or Pouliott

I think that if Sather trades either/both of them, we'll get players of similar age/status that fit the mold of AV's style of play better.

 

[Cassano]

Seguin was available this summer. God I'm pissed we missed the boat on him.

Something around Callahan and/or Girardi may have gotten it done, though we would've had to give up some good prospects in the process (likely Miller and/or Kreider).

I think Boston traded Seguin out West for good reason.

And I don't think Chiarelli would take 2 impending UFAs with bloated cap hits as part of the deal either. He got 3 top prospects and an elite 2-way winger with a 4 mil cap hit for Seguin. Rangers simply didn't have the assets to get it done anyways probably.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Established #1Cs never are available. Correct.

But, as Blue Blooded points out, prospects who MIGHT become #1Cs ARE sometimes available. My whole point is that they should be trading Callahan and Girardi to acquire multiple chances at that player. A Zibanejad, a Galchenyuk, a Barkov/Huberdeau/Bjugstad, a Nugent-Hopkins, a Seguin. I'm not saying that any one of those specific players are available - although one obviously was over the summer - or that any of them are GUARANTEED to be 1st line centers. But you need to take shots at them. Trading Cally and Girardi lets you do that.

You've done it now. :pillow:

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

But if we don't have players on cap-friendly deals, when are we ever going to afford a good team built around that center you are talking about?

Sometime you gotta take a step backwards to take two forwards. We will never be able to do that without good players signed to good deals. The only way to do that is to lock up a player at market value today, and then benefit when the cap has gone up and the players turns cheap.

How long are we going to push this problem ahead of us?

You've got it backwards. #1 goaltender, #1 Dman, #1 center and power forward winger. Those are your cornerstones. Get them in place and then build around them.

Hank, McD, Kreider - those are the untouchables on the current squad. Lock them up and then get a first line center. (Would've been nice to have him first, but we don't.)

THEN you fill in around the edges with the Callahans and Girardis of this world. As good as they are, they are much more obtainable. (For example, one of each is about to hit the UFA market his summer. )

 

[pld459666]

Were you really clamoring for DZ to be traded coming off his 41 point season?

I was.

if we could have gotten RO'R I would have moved DZ in a heartbeat.

 

[Raspewtin]

I was.

if we could have gotten RO'R I would have moved DZ in a heartbeat.

Sherman also wanted Stepan and a 1st, in addition to DZ.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Sherman also wanted Stepan and a 1st, in addition to DZ.

If we could have traded DZ to Columbus instead of Erixon and our 1st... I would have done it.

 

[NYR Viper]

2.5 is way too much for a guy who was a Tortorella player, and is now a 4th line winger who doesn't ever score or fight.

You can find a faster, more effective PK guy for 1/3rd that price. Take Dom Moore or Darrell Powe.

This is exactly how I feel. Teams have to find guys who they can keep at a reasonable market value. Dominic Moore is a great example.

Matt Green from LA has had some injury problems but he is a tough, rugged RD with some leadership qualities. I would be interested in him when he hits UFA depending on the price. Buy low candidate who can play top-4 minutes.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

If we could have traded DZ to Columbus instead of Erixon and our 1st... I would have done it.

same here

 

[NYR Viper]

The fact of the matter is that allowing these players to reach the summer is awful asset management. This isn't football where teams don't move picks for rentals. Teams move high value young assets for a chance at a Cup now. There are not many teams selling this year. On top of that, there aren't many players available from those teams who can add much value anyways. Callahan and Girardi would be the top targets of every team in the NHL.

You have to lay down the law. Either sign by the deadline or you will be traded, it's that simple. The organization can not even take a remote chance they will walk for nothing. That type of move sets an organization back years.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

The fact of the matter is that allowing these players to reach the summer is awful asset management. This isn't football where teams don't move picks for rentals. Teams move high value young assets for a chance at a Cup now. There are not many teams selling this year. On top of that, there aren't many players available from those teams who can add much value anyways. Callahan and Girardi would be the top targets of every team in the NHL.

You have to lay down the law. Either sign by the deadline or you will be traded, it's that simple. The organization can not even take a remote chance they will walk for nothing. That type of move sets an organization back years.

Sather did not do this when Prust was a UFA, im sure he could have gotten something for him... i bet Sather would rather let Girardi Callahan and Boyle walk for nothing so that the Rangers can get an extra month in the playoffs

 

[NYR Viper]

Sather did not do this when Prust was a UFA, im sure he could have gotten something for him... i bet Sather would rather let Girardi Callahan and Boyle walk for nothing so that the Rangers can get an extra month in the playoffs

Prust is a 3rd/4th liner. Letting them walk and replacing them, while still not smart, isn't has back-breaking as allowing the top-pairing RD and top-6 RW captain leave for nothing.

On a sidenote, I wouldn't be surprised if Sather tried to sell the fans on "we were trying to win right now" crap.