Rumor: Trade Rumor Thread V: "Trade 40 Goal Scorer NBD" (3/8: Getzlaf re-signs)

[The Gloaming]

Upcoming UFA's from LA: Penner, Scuderi, Drewiske, Richardson.

Upcoming UFA's from Nashville: Brandon Yip, Scott Hannan.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

I don't. Overpaid

This. Might be something though. Maybe a different trade to boost our bottom six for a blockbuster, who knows anymore.

 

[RGY]

Our window started in 2006-07. It will most likely not end in 2 years and it has a good chance of being extended if Gaborik can bring back a big return.

Please name for me the last team, in ANY sport, that gave themselves a limited window and won a championship in that window. Celtics would be a stretch. Obviously they put an older team together with the aim of winning a championship and they won in year 1. But they also played in a finals game 7, were 1 win from the finals last year and won playoff rounds in the other two years. So that success debunks the theory that they had a limited window.

Really? That's news to me...

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Really? That's news to me...

Thought we sucked ass back then too.

 

[Kwayry]

I don't. Overpaid

Do you have a better option?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Do you have a better option?

A better option for what?

 

[Kwayry]

A better option for what?

3rd line center that won't cost a lot in assets.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Cap space isn't an asset?

 

[Emptyvoid]

3rd line center that won't cost a lot in assets.

Cullen
Possibly Anisimov
Unlikely Flippula

 

[Kwayry]

Cap space isn't an asset?

The formula is pretty simple, either overpay in assets or in salary (cap space). The rangers have some capspace but no significant assets to trade.
You upgrade Boyle with Stoll for 1.5 Mil extra, it is worth it IMO. It's for 3 more years, if you need his cap space you can trade him in 2 and by then some of the kids will be ready to step up.
Unless you are in the trade Gabby camp, then all this is meaningless to you.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

The formula is pretty simple, either overpay in assets or in salary (cap space). The rangers have some capspace but no significant assets to trade.

Wow if those are the only two options, I don't do either.

 

[Leetch3]

The formula is pretty simple, either overpay in assets or in salary (cap space). The rangers have some capspace but no significant assets to trade.
You upgrade Boyle with Stoll for 1.5 Mil extra, it is worth it IMO. It's for 3 more years, if you need his cap space you can trade him in 2 and by then some of the kids will be ready to step up.
Unless you are in the trade Gabby camp, then all this is meaningless to you.

rangers don't have cap space beyond this year...especially not to pay $3+ mil to a guy that has scored 9 goals in his last 97 regular season games.

 

[The Gloaming]

What is the obsession around HF with Jarret Stoll? I don't see much...

The only positive I see with him are faceoffs, and Boyle is pretty much at the same percentage with them.

 

[MSG the place to be*]

Really? That's news to me...

Thought we sucked ass back then too.

Every series we got bounced from 07-11 could have easily turned the other way. Just like the first two series last year could have. Just like our series wins over Atlanta and Jersey could have. The margins are paper thin and unpredictable. If Drury, Fedorov, etc dont do what they did things go different and if Joel Ward didn't do what he did things go different.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Upcoming UFA's from LA: Penner, Scuderi, Drewiske, Richardson.

Upcoming UFA's from Nashville: Brandon Yip, Scott Hannan.

i am hoping its for someone like Colin Fraser.. he has two cups, one with hawks and kings. knows what it takes to win.. i bet it could be someone like him that Sather targets. someone who has won in the playoffs.. i wouldnt be surprised if it is a Penner Fraser type deal..

 

[Kwayry]

rangers don't have cap space beyond this year...especially not to pay $3+ mil to a guy that has scored 9 goals in his last 97 regular season games.

What is the obsession around HF with Jarret Stoll? I don't see much...

The only positive I see with him are faceoffs, and Boyle is pretty much at the same percentage with them.

Rangers have cap space next season (Redden's contract is finally off the books), it gets dicey after that.

Stoll is a FO specialist, responsible defensively, has a little jam and is good locker room presence.
He can also help this team on the PP because of his hard/accurate shot, and he shoots right. This team needs more shooters and less passers on the PP.

He was a consistent 40+ point producer until last season when it dipped to 21, but he was not alone. The whole team struggled to score goals. It was Quick that got them to the playoffs, and the rest is history.

Stoll is only 30 years old, maybe a change of scenery could help him. That's why he won't cost much in terms of assets in a trade.

I am not saying he is the best option, but he is an option that came up because the Rangers were reportedly scouting the Kings tonight.

 

[Fitzy]

The Rangers can hope Oscar Lindberg will be their 3rd line center next year. I don't see them dealing with that in mind Miller can play there too.

 

[Kwayry]

The Rangers can hope Oscar Lindberg will be their 3rd line center next year. I don't see them dealing with that in mind Miller can play there too.

That would be ideal, especially if he can come over this season and play some games with Hartford.

 

[Kwayry]

There are rumors that the Pens could be getting Jack Johnson.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

IF the Rangers trade Gaborik, IMO the return needs to be:

Future #1-#2 center
Offensive defenseman
1st round pick

Three pieces.

Detroit and Nashville have those parts in their systems.

Detroit: C- Landon Ferraro, Riley Sheahan. D- Brendan Smith
Nashville: C- Austin Watson, Michael Latta. D- Ryan Ellis

 

[RGY]

Every series we got bounced from 07-11 could have easily turned the other way. Just like the first two series last year could have. Just like our series wins over Atlanta and Jersey could have. The margins are paper thin and unpredictable. If Drury, Fedorov, etc dont do what they did things go different and if Joel Ward didn't do what he did things go different.

Please stop comparing this year's team to those ones. It's getting to be out of hand and disturbing. This team is far and above more complete than anyone of those teams.

 

[Kwayry]

IF the Rangers trade Gaborik, IMO the return needs to be:

Future #1-#2 center
Offensive defenseman
1st round pick

Three pieces.

Detroit and Nashville have those parts in their systems.

Detroit: C- Landon Ferraro, Riley Sheahan. D- Brendan Smith
Nashville: C- Austin Watson, Michael Latta. D- Ryan Ellis

The offensive dman should preferably be righty.
I like Ryan Sproul instead Brendan Smith.
Otherwise that list looks good.

Ottawa has the required parts as well.
Zibanejad - Ceci.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

IF the Rangers trade Gaborik, IMO the return needs to be:

Future #1-#2 center
Offensive defenseman
1st round pick

Three pieces.

Detroit and Nashville have those parts in their systems.

Detroit: C- Landon Ferraro, Riley Sheahan. D- Brendan Smith
Nashville: C- Austin Watson, Michael Latta. D- Ryan Ellis

I like Zibanejad/Ceci/2nd more than those options.

I don't believe that's an option, though. Bishop would be a nice pickup, replaces Biron as the backup headed into the future. He's a SOLID 1B.

 

[Ola]

Rangers have cap space next season (Redden's contract is finally off the books), it gets dicey after that.

The cap will go up!

We and I should not change course now. Some of the worst things I've written on these boards has been in relation to long contracts (IE like "DiPietro will be a steal in 10 years", "Get Lecavalier!"). I thought the cap would sky rocket after the lockout but then we entered into the worst recession ever/in 100 years and we had another disgusting horrible lockout that resulted in a big decrease in the cap.

And I definitely think Slats with Hope's advice kind of navigated after these premise's too. Like, there is a shortage of good players. Like if you sign a player to his market value in Y1, you should be able to get a good return for him at the least in Y3 -- because the market value will go up. The teams that can attract good players should get a good player or a good asset they can move. The guys we signed sucked. The guys most other teams signed, sucked, with a few exceptions of course.

BUT, I do not believe that we should change course now and plan ahead for a shrinking or flat cap. We know the deal next season. But there is still not much -- if any?????????? -- reason to expect the cap to be below 70m in 14/15. A cap around 80m in 4 years.

And its just a helluva diffrence to have a 6m player in a 60m cap compared to in a 40m cap. The burden of Brad Richards contract in a 80m cap is the same as the burden of a 4.7m contract today.

Just look at this burden index, for a 7m player, based on a very modest 7.5% growth after the recover in 14/15, with the starting point being next season:
Year Cap Burden
13/14 60m 7m
14/15 70m 6m
15/16 76m 5.5m
16/17 82m 5.1m
17/18 88m 4.7m
18/19 95m 4.4m
19/20 101m 4.1m

If you pay a player 5m next season for 7 years, the burden in 7 years would be the same as a burden of a 2.9m contract next season. A 7m player is expensive even in his prime. But most teams don't mind at all carrying a core vet, even if on the downside of his career, that makes 4m per.

My point is just, with the KHL growing by the day and the NHL expansion plans and the growing cap in the near future -- the hard part will be to get good players not cheap players. I've definitely learned that you take a risk with a long term contract, but, I don't really see a way around that.

 

[pld459666]

Zubov, Amonte, Weight, Kovalev, Savard...

The list of young players the Rangers shipped out those years, instead of retaining them, really crippled their ability to maintain success.

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If folks want to make the argument that keeping Gaborik until the draft is better, then that's another thing.

But trying to rationalize not getting value for a 32 year old, with a history of chronic injuries, and questionable drive, because he scored a lot of goals in the regular season?

If the Rangers can get a future #1-#2 center to put behind or in front of Stepan, an offensive defenseman, and a 1st round pick in return for Gaborik, they need to seriously consider it.

If Detroit is willing to give the Rangers one or two of Ferraro, Sheahan, Nyquist or any of their very good young forwards and Brendan Smith and a pick. Then the Rangers say thank you to Gaborik and send him on his way.

The Rangers want to win, yes. But they have repeatedly said their plan is to maintain winning over many years. Not sacrificing the future for short term gain.

Gorton and Clark are on record many times saying this.

The Stanley Cup is fetching. Having a great team on paper doesn't guarantee a Cup. Having organizational depth and talent ready to step in at any given time from the lower levels, guarantees competing on a consistent basis.

Part of being a winning organization, and a smart organization, is recognizing when to move on from certain players, maximizing their return value, reinforcing your organizational depth, and continuing to move forward.

If we are using other recently successful organizations as a standard on which to emulate, the Devils, Black Hawks, Bruins, Red Wings...they have all made sacrifices and continued forward.

On the other hand, the folks arguing to keep Gaborik certainly have a valid stance. When motivated, he can score. Adds an extra player for opposing defensemen to cover. Certainly makes the Rangers forward corp deeper THIS season. The major caveat being there's no guarantee of anything. There are some very strong teams.

this this so many times this.