Tarasenko -- would the blues let him go for less damaged, and should we make an offer and take that gamble?
Rumor: Trade Rumor Thread V: "Trade 40 Goal Scorer NBD" (3/8: Getzlaf re-signs)
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Tarasenko -- would the blues let him go for less damaged, and should we make an offer and take that gamble?
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Big Church Bells
The Gloaming
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I would really love Mike Ribiero if there's a Washington firesale. Could maybe, possibly help our PP?? Increases center depth tremendously.
Another guy in Washington, although a very different type of player, is Matt Hendricks. Would like him on the Rangers too.
Another guy in Washington, although a very different type of player, is Matt Hendricks. Would like him on the Rangers too.
Will Gaborik have 40 goals by trade deadline day 2013? Its a shortened season.
Gartner scored 45, 40, and 49 goals the three seasons prior. He was traded. The Rangers won the Stanley Cup.
"But Gaborik scored 40 goals" is not an argument to keep him when the Rangers can get great value in return for a 32 year old player taking 7.5 of the cap.
Its been shown before that Gaborik is not the kind of player that puts a team over the top in the playoffs. In the playoffs, a player like Glen Anderson does.
The mistake the Rangers made in 94 and the subsequent years, wasn't trading an aging Gartner, it was trading their youth.
Gabby straight up for Letang. 2 stars both a bit off this year.
Gives us options to be more flexible with our D moves
We come out ahead on cap.
Gabs with Geno and Sid would be sick.
But Letang would be a great addition for us.
Theoretically, EVENTUALLY Kreider will benefit from call up and produce as he has shown he can when Torts is not all on his ass.
Giving Gabby to Pittsburgh where he'd be centered by one of Crosby/Malkin is a sure recipe for him to break 50 for 3 more seasons and absolutely destroy us.
Pass. Also, I have no idea why Pittsburgh would take that deal.
The Gloaming
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I get to witness Bernmiester's trade proposals again.Gabby owns Hank. With him being centered by Cindy/Shrek, he'll score 6 goals everytime we play Pittsburgh.
And I don't know Pittsburgh is trading their best defenseman, unless they're getting a young guy like Eberle, for example.
Fair enough. I never said it was a slam dunk, just that it's real value for real value, quality for quality.
It obviously helps but also obviously bleeds both sides.
Pit is bragging their D continues to improve and is getting deep.
A W like Gabby is reason for Pitt to consider it. Not sayin 100% do it, but really think about it.
Obviously, that would give us one year until Letang re-ups that we would have some serious $$ to acquire a better C.
Maybe, with another move or 2, it barely makes enough cap room to actually entice Getzlaf here short term (2 year deal, less next, more the year after).
Pittsburgh has the #2 offense in the league. Why would they trade for more offense? Why would they do it at the expense of one of their defense men?
Zubov, Amonte, Weight, Kovalev, Savard...
The list of young players the Rangers shipped out those years, instead of retaining them, really crippled their ability to maintain success.
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If folks want to make the argument that keeping Gaborik until the draft is better, then that's another thing.
But trying to rationalize not getting value for a 32 year old, with a history of chronic injuries, and questionable drive, because he scored a lot of goals in the regular season?
If the Rangers can get a future #1-#2 center to put behind or in front of Stepan, an offensive defenseman, and a 1st round pick in return for Gaborik, they need to seriously consider it.
If Detroit is willing to give the Rangers one or two of Ferraro, Sheahan, Nyquist or any of their very good young forwards and Brendan Smith and a pick. Then the Rangers say thank you to Gaborik and send him on his way.
The Rangers want to win, yes. But they have repeatedly said their plan is to maintain winning over many years. Not sacrificing the future for short term gain.
Gorton and Clark are on record many times saying this.
The Stanley Cup is fetching. Having a great team on paper doesn't guarantee a Cup. Having organizational depth and talent ready to step in at any given time from the lower levels, guarantees competing on a consistent basis.
Part of being a winning organization, and a smart organization, is recognizing when to move on from certain players, maximizing their return value, reinforcing your organizational depth, and continuing to move forward.
If we are using other recently successful organizations as a standard on which to emulate, the Devils, Black Hawks, Bruins, Red Wings...they have all made sacrifices and continued forward.
On the other hand, the folks arguing to keep Gaborik certainly have a valid stance. When motivated, he can score. Adds an extra player for opposing defensemen to cover. Certainly makes the Rangers forward corp deeper THIS season. The major caveat being there's no guarantee of anything. There are some very strong teams.
Leetch66
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Great views on both keeping and trading Gabby and I have to agree with the trading part because of the lack of effort on far too many shifts . However...I would keep him until the season is over and then entertain offers .
I would really like to get Chimera . He is big and fast and a RANGER Killer ! The guy can flat out fly and has some sandpaper too . I do however have to wonder why he has not scored more goals in his career ?
Some of you guys have watched him play live against the Rangers...what does he look like in those games ??? It is hard to get a full look at guys by just watching them on TV . Could Chimera add anything to our top 6 or would he be a 3rd liner on our team ??? What would he cost us ? Is he a FA ?
I would really like to get Chimera . He is big and fast and a RANGER Killer ! The guy can flat out fly and has some sandpaper too . I do however have to wonder why he has not scored more goals in his career ?
Some of you guys have watched him play live against the Rangers...what does he look like in those games ??? It is hard to get a full look at guys by just watching them on TV . Could Chimera add anything to our top 6 or would he be a 3rd liner on our team ??? What would he cost us ? Is he a FA ?
Its always better to see the game live, to get a better appreciation for how plays develop and what happens behind the play.
But HDTV is awesome stuff. I'd love it if we as the viewer could change camera angles on our own. That would be a great feature for the future of sports on TV.
Chimera would be a good fit. Depends on price, though. Unsure why he hasn't scored this year. Haven't paid any attention to the Capitals. I'm curious now as well.
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Big Church Bells
one of those options makes the team significantly better...the other makes it significantly worse
Something else that needs addressing - The pro-Gaborik contingent keeps saying put Gaborik back with Richards and Nash, you can't expect him to do anything with ****** linemates.
Why should we tailor the lines to Gaborik? First of all, ask Rick Nash which winger he wants opposite him. I can guarantee his response would rhyme with Swagelin. Second of all, this may come as a surprise but the purpose of line construction isn't to maximize your threat to score goals. Rather it's to win the territorial play and in turn that gives you the best chance to win on the scoreboard.
Why should we tailor the lines to Gaborik? First of all, ask Rick Nash which winger he wants opposite him. I can guarantee his response would rhyme with Swagelin. Second of all, this may come as a surprise but the purpose of line construction isn't to maximize your threat to score goals. Rather it's to win the territorial play and in turn that gives you the best chance to win on the scoreboard.
haohmaru
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I'm not buying the Gartner/Gaborik comparison at all. The 93-94 NYR's roster had so much (hall of fame) talent that Gartner was an expendable asset for a character piece to win the Cup now. The Gaborik argument is that you RETAIN him and his goal scoring ability because you want to have serious runs in the playoffs over the next two years.
Zubov, Leetch, Messier, Lowe, Buekeboom, Kovalev, Larmer, Tikkanen, Nemchinov, Graves, etc...
That team had eight guys with 21 or more goals. Our team last year had 3. And Gaborik was 12 goals ahead of the next best guy on the team. Not a piece you want to trade to win in the short term.
And, I'm not buying all of this "soft shifts", "shifts off", "lazy", "regular season goal scorer" BS. This guy played with separated shoulder last year in the playoffs and didn't make a single excuse for anything and he still has a career .75PPG average in the playoffs. If not for his injury history, he'd be lauded and applauded for playing with that type of injury. Hell, 2 of his best 3 seasons in his career have been for the NYR. And, despite his recent drought, he STILL is tied for the team lead in goals and 2nd in points.
Not the piece I'd move and, besides, the turnover of players from last year to this has obviously hurt this team so far. I wouldn't take that a step further unless it was to shore up the 5th/6th D and it certainly wouldn't be my leading goal scorer for 3 of the last 4 seasons.
Zubov, Leetch, Messier, Lowe, Buekeboom, Kovalev, Larmer, Tikkanen, Nemchinov, Graves, etc...
That team had eight guys with 21 or more goals. Our team last year had 3. And Gaborik was 12 goals ahead of the next best guy on the team. Not a piece you want to trade to win in the short term.
And, I'm not buying all of this "soft shifts", "shifts off", "lazy", "regular season goal scorer" BS. This guy played with separated shoulder last year in the playoffs and didn't make a single excuse for anything and he still has a career .75PPG average in the playoffs. If not for his injury history, he'd be lauded and applauded for playing with that type of injury. Hell, 2 of his best 3 seasons in his career have been for the NYR. And, despite his recent drought, he STILL is tied for the team lead in goals and 2nd in points.
Not the piece I'd move and, besides, the turnover of players from last year to this has obviously hurt this team so far. I wouldn't take that a step further unless it was to shore up the 5th/6th D and it certainly wouldn't be my leading goal scorer for 3 of the last 4 seasons.
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Big Church Bells
Good points in here all around. I like the reasoning, we will have to see where Slats goes, and what arises.
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