Rumor: Trade Rumor Thread III: "Trade 40 goal scorer for picks= Cup contenders" edition

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so everyone is saying that he wants $5 mil and you say its not true, so i'm supposed to read thru 27 pages ignoring the 300 times people quoted sources saying he wants $5 mil to find the one reference you are referring to that contradicts that?
 
Because MDZ is inconsistent and the Rangers 3rd best LD. He has shown he can not play RD as well as LD.

O'Reilly is going to be a #1 center
. 60-70 points with great 2-way player. Patrice Bergeron-like.

Let the Rangers go out and sign a puck-mover or give Stralman more of a chance to take some of the responsibility.

How do you know that? He had 1 good season out 3 and he is trying to cash in.
Heart and soul you say? why is he holding out when his team needs him? And you want to reward that behavior by paying him 5M/year?
You are sending the wrong message to this room if you trade MDZ, who was a team player and signed before the season started, for a malcontent who held out and the Rangers are not even assured he would sign.
To value him as a signed player and "heart and soul" is foolish. He has proven he is anything but.
 
so everyone is saying that he wants $5 mil and you say its not true, so i'm supposed to read thru 27 pages ignoring the 300 times people quoted sources saying he wants $5 mil to find the one reference you are referring to that contradicts that?

If you want to believe something that isn't true, go right ahead. You telling me to go dig up a source that has been given numerous times in this thread again is a waste of my time.
 
I just don't see the super high upside to Del Zotto. Mentally he isn't always there and, while he is physical, his skating is exactly great. He tries long stretch passes which sometimes work, most of the time do not and due to this skating he doesn't really create great angles for himself to shoot the puck.

How can you not see that? Better yet, how can you not see that the Rangers dont have another player in the entire organization capable of filling the role that he is well on his way to fulfilling?

If O'Reilly was doing this pathetic act with the the Rangers, the entire fanbase would want his head on a platter. Since hes on Colorado, we want to trade for him? Unbelievable.
 
I just don't see the super high upside to Del Zotto. Mentally he isn't always there and, while he is physical, his skating is exactly great. He tries long stretch passes which sometimes work, most of the time do not and due to this skating he doesn't really create great angles for himself to shoot the puck.

He might be the #3 or #4 guy on this team, but put him on half of the other teams in the league and he's on the top pair. I'm not saying he's Scott Stevens in his own end, but his strength and defensive game are quite underrated. Comparing now to his first year, it's night and day. He's 23 years old, he'll get better in his own end.

As for his offense, how many defensemen in the league scored 40 points last season? His decisions with the puck are questionable at times, but there are few guys in the league that can thread the needle like he can.
 
How do you know that? He had 1 good season out 3 and he is trying to cash in.
Heart and soul you say? why is he holding out when his team needs him? And you want to reward that behavior by paying him 5M/year?
You are sending the wrong message to this room if you trade MDZ, who was a team player and signed before the season started, for a malcontent who held out and the Rangers are not even assured he would sign.
To value him as a signed player and "heart and soul" is foolish. He has proven he is anything but.

The 5m a year stat again? C'mon guys!

He has had 3 good seasons. (1) to those who stat-watch. (3) to those who watch him play.

He was the Avs last year. He and Landeskog. Duchene sucked. Stastny was out injured or bad. The team was in shambles. They leaned on ROR. He showed up. 55 points.
 
The 5m a year stat again? C'mon guys!

He has had 3 good seasons. (1) to those who stat-watch. (3) to those who watch him play.

He was the Avs last year. He and Landeskog. Duchene sucked. Stastny was out injured or bad. The team was in shambles. They leaned on ROR. He showed up. 55 points.

Ok, I will take you at your word that he does not want 5M/year, can you address the other points in bold?

How do you know that? He had 1 good season out 3 and he is trying to cash in.
Heart and soul you say? why is he holding out when his team needs him? And you want to reward that behavior by paying him 5M/year?
You are sending the wrong message to this room if you trade MDZ, who was a team player and signed before the season started, for a malcontent who held out and the Rangers are not even assured he would sign.
To value him as a signed player and "heart and soul" is foolish. He has proven he is anything but.
 
How can you not see that? Better yet, how can you not see that the Rangers dont have another player in the entire organization capable of filling the role that he is well on his way to fulfilling?

If O'Reilly was doing this pathetic act with the the Rangers, the entire fanbase would want his head on a platter. Since hes on Colorado, we want to trade for him? Unbelievable.

I see the emergence of McDonagh + a healthy Staal as being able to cover for what you are talking about. More responsibility to Stralman as well.

Plus, the Rangers only play (1) defenseman on the PP anyways. Richards or Stepan will be on the point.

Jami Benn held out. PK Subban held out. Dubinsky held out. Callahan came close. There are lots of players that hold out. Unfortunately teams couldn't discuss contracts due to the lockout so they are doing this all during the season.
 
As was mentioned, who in the organization (not even the Rangers' roster) has the skill set of DZ? Brady maybe? Isn't he supposed to be a defensive D-man? McIlrath, no. Then you look at our roster and no one has the offensive game that DZ has. Not to mention how rare it is to have a guy score 40 points and not only not be a liability in his own end but actually be pretty good.

Also, I agree with the people questioning his character. I don't care how good he was defensively in his 1st two years, he scored 26 points in each year. He then has good (not great) production and he's screwing over the team that drafted him and gave him a chance as an 18 year old. What a ****ing stand up guy. Sounds like a huge ****** to me. DZ, in the meantime signed even before camp.
 
Ok, I will take you at your word that he does not want 5M/year, can you address the other points in bold?

There has apparently been more going on behind the scenes in Colorado than just the contract demands. During negotiations sometimes things get heated and people puff out their chests. Could be either side. All that matter is he is a very talented young player who would help this team win games.

You aren't sending the wrong message to the room at all. MDZ has been tried on the right side for a while. He doesn't seem comfortable there. Staal and McDonagh are going to be ahead of him on the depth chart for years hopefully. Maximize the asset, solidify the center ice position for the next decade with ROR/Stepan. Players will understand.

He has proven he is heart and soul player for 3 years since he was drafted. Watch him play and you will get it.
 
I see the emergence of McDonagh + a healthy Staal as being able to cover for what you are talking about. More responsibility to Stralman as well.

Plus, the Rangers only play (1) defenseman on the PP anyways. Richards or Stepan will be on the point.

Jami Benn held out. PK Subban held out. Dubinsky held out. Callahan came close. There are lots of players that hold out. Unfortunately teams couldn't discuss contracts due to the lockout so they are doing this all during the season.

Jamie Benn's production blows ROR's out of the water. Subban is a damn good D-man and has held out for a lot shorter. Didn't we kill Dubi for holding out?
 
As was mentioned, who in the organization (not even the Rangers' roster) has the skill set of DZ? Brady maybe? Isn't he supposed to be a defensive D-man? McIlrath, no. Then you look at our roster and no one has the offensive game that DZ has. Not to mention how rare it is to have a guy score 40 points and not only not be a liability in his own end but actually be pretty good.

Also, I agree with the people questioning his character. I don't care how good he was defensively in his 1st two years, he scored 26 points in each year. He then has good (not great) production and he's screwing over the team that drafted him and gave him a chance as an 18 year old. What a ****ing stand up guy. Sounds like a huge ****** to me. DZ, in the meantime signed even before camp.

The hope would be to get Elliot back from Colorado.

Streit, Visnovsky, White are UFA's this off-season.
 
I see the emergence of McDonagh + a healthy Staal as being able to cover for what you are talking about. More responsibility to Stralman as well.

Plus, the Rangers only play (1) defenseman on the PP anyways. Richards or Stepan will be on the point.

Jami Benn held out. PK Subban held out. Dubinsky held out. Callahan came close. There are lots of players that hold out. Unfortunately teams couldn't discuss contracts due to the lockout so they are doing this all during the season.

Bickel and Gilroy as the 3rd pair is not only scary, but totally unacceptable. I wouldnt go banking on McIlrath if I were you, and thats not even mentioning that hes about as different of a player as MDZ as humanly possible.

What does the fact teams couldnt discuss contracts during the offseason have to do with him wiping his ass with an offer that is more than fair and in line with market value coming off an ELC?
 
Bickel and Gilroy as the 3rd pair is not only scary, but totally unacceptable. I wouldnt go banking on McIlrath if I were you, and thats not even mentioning that hes about as different of a player as MDZ as humanly possible.

What does the fact teams couldnt discuss contracts during the offseason have to do with him wiping his ass with an offer that is more than fair and in line with market value coming off an ELC?

How do you know what was offered? His agent has come out and said he wants a longer contract, not a 2 year. It's not all about the cap hit or average money he gets.

Like I said, I feel Staal, McDonagh, Girardi and Stralman can handle MDZ's PP duties. 5 on 5, he has been good, but unspectacular.
 
To me, almost the bigger question is - are you comfortable paying MDZ $4-5M on his next deal?

Personally based on what I value in dmen I'm not sure I would. If the brass agrees I could understand trying to sell high while he's on a good contract to upgrade an organization position of weakness (center), acquiring the type of player (young all around C) we have little opportunity to get otherwise. Similar to what Pitt did with Goligoski.
 

No he's not.

The agent for Avalanche center Ryan O'Reilly on Monday said the restricted free agent is not asking for a short-term contract at $5 million annually, but Mark Guy declined to specify what has been offered by Colorado or how far apart the sides remain.

"People report numbers without any mention of term and it is just as important a consideration," agent Guy wrote in a text message.

Last week, an NHL source told The Denver Post that O'Reilly, 21, was seeking $5 million a year and turned down two deals: two years for $7 million (a $3.5 million average) and five years worth $17 million ($3.4 million average) .

But Guy said a salary of that amount would apply to O'Reilly only if signed to a long-term deal that brought him past unrestricted free agency, which is reached at age 27, or seven years of service. O'Reilly turns 22 on Feb. 7.

http://www.*******************/articles/ryan-oreillys-agent-says-shortterm-deal-at-5m-per-year-not-sought-from-avs-1426.html

http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_22419740/ryan-oreillys-agent-says-hes-not-seeking-5
 
Yeah, but you don't have pause in trading for a malcontent? Honestly, I'm not biggest proponent of character, but you don't think it's a red flag that this guy is holding out after one good season (in terms of production)?

Of course, and the Rangers will be able to speak with him and I am sure know his character better than I do. All I can comment on is the situation from what I have read and the player that I have seen play.
 
The article I quoted, said "about" 5M.
Technically the agent is correct, he may not be asking for exactly 5M, but he may be asking for 4.95 M.

Read the rest of the article. The avs and he spoke about a long-term deal, maybe 7 years. That was where the 5 million dollar figure came from. Now all of a sudden he wants that on a 2 year contract?

Where did hat 5 million number come from? Negotiations? Of course if the team offers 2 and he wants 3.5 or 4 then he will ask for more so that there is room to come down. that's part of negotiations.

Without the full details of what he is asking for, and I am sure the Rangers are aware what those are, then this is all conjecture. If the Rangers were kicking the tires, it means he isn't asking for 5 million per.
 
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