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Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVI: G Staying Put.

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NYR Viper said:
Just saying anything can happen as a justification to put off making the smart fiscal decision is like putting all of your retirement into 1 stock that you heard was going to be a good one. Does that justify making the smart decisions for long term health?
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well thats kinda a skewed way to look at it.. they dont compare at all..

are you saying acquiring st louis and adding him to our forwards would be like putting all my retirement money in 1 stock? what about my nash stock? or my lundqvuist stock? or my mcdonaugh stock?
 
Sorry that I'll actually wait until Stepan has a decent playoff run before thinking he can lead the way to a Cup. It's much more realistic to assume he can, based on...nothing, than to base it off of his past playoff performances.
 
aufheben said:
I'm just posting facts. I have yet to see anyone refute: Our lack of a top line center; Stepan being an awful playoff performer; points from the backend.

Seriously, if you guys can't handle anything that's not lollipops and daffodils, feel free to ignore it.
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I'm not saying we don't have weaknesses ... but every team does ... even the "UNSTOPPABLE PENGUINS"

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Water1 said:
So buy out Richards, use that money for Callahan.
Don't get me wrong but I would rather have cally then Richards any day of the week.
A bad contract is just that a bad contract. If we have to eat one let it be Callahan that we keep
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I might be the minority, but I like Richie and want him to stay. The cap will go up every year, and his hit won't have thaat much of any affect. I'd rather have Richards at that hit than a Callahan.
 
I didn't realize I was actually rooting for the Philadelphia Flyers this whole time.

And how is Stepan a good playoff performer? He can't take face-offs, he can't put up points. He's good defensively.
 
aufheben said:
Sorry that I'll actually wait until Stepan has a decent playoff run before thinking he can lead the way to a Cup.
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me too.. but hes got the potential.. and dismiss him right of the bat isnt quite right.. for sure hes had his struggles, but his still young.. hes been in big games before, hes skilled.. he plays top line minutes all season long.. i dont know how much i like him, but hes right there on the cusp.. will he make the next step? who knows, i cant say..

but the rangers are loaded with players like this... nash? can he turn it up a notch in the playoffs? can staal? can pouliot? can zucc? can brassard?


lots of depth, there is no real dependence on one guy..
 
jas said:
Agreed. Get MSL, and the skill level is higher. The overall depth is greater. The scoring on the 3rd line is better. Again, getting MSL takes some of the burden off Nash.
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This is what I have been saying since day 1. This is why BOSTON is so good, why CHICAGO is so good, why PIT is so good ... DEPTH.
 
JoeGarelli said:
well thats kinda a skewed way to look at it.. they dont compare at all..

are you saying acquiring st louis and adding him to our forwards would be like putting all my retirement money in 1 stock? what about my nash stock? or my lundqvuist stock? or my mcdonaugh stock?
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Missed the point.

You are ignoring the smart long term decision of moving a few players who won't be around past the next couple of months to return assets that can be used longer in order to give yourself an "anything can happen".
 
NYR Viper said:
My boy?

Now they're going to pay him based on his aberration of a 22 goal season?

Moore makes 1 million. Boyle will make 2.5. Worth it?
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I don't hear you complaining about his salary while talking about how good he is defensively and on the PK, both of which Boyle is better at and has proven better scoring potential + playoff performances while simultaneously *****ing about a 2.5/M cap hit.

I'm not buying what you're selling. That's all.
 
pixel said:
And Chicago's defense is what? Not top 5?

We have a fine team. A fun team to watch. I enjoy this team. But they don't play in a vacuum. I have yet to hear a tangible reason that makes this team better than any of the others mentioned. Other than "renounce your fandom you pagan realist".

The suggestions that we should throw rational thought and longevity to the wind, trade "futures" and roster players to acquire a 38 year old for one season, are more ridiculous than someone suggesting that perhaps this isn't the season to make such a move. Perhaps if they had a #1 center, a real offensive defenseman, and at least one other winger besides Kreider and Pouliot in the top 9 that had anything resembling size and grit, then yea, maybe trading for St. Louis would make sense.

OR...

They could have PATIENCE, trade Callahan for some young pieces, buyout Richards' terrible contract, somehow figure out how to get another center that can pass as a real #1-#2, and then SIGN St. Louis as a free agent to a short-term contract, and then take a run, with a more complete roster...
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How is trading Callahan + a mid level prospect or pick trading futures and throwing rational thought to the wind?

You enjoy this team? Seems like you despite it, actually. We don't need to be better than those teams. We need to beat them in a 7 game series. We can do that. It is possible, and there's more than a puncher's chance. If you disagree, then that is a matter of opinion, and no facts can dispute either position.

I'm not opposed to your method, of trading Cally for futures, but I think MSL on this roster makes us a stronger offensive team in the playoffs, and that it makes us a team that Pitt or Boston does not WANT to play in a 7 game series. That's something that is my opinion and again, that facts can't dispute - because it is not based on facts. It's an opinion.

You don't sound like a realist. You sound like an arrogant cynic in the guise of a realist.
 
JoeGarelli said:
me too.. but hes got the potential.. and dismiss him right of the bat isnt quite right.. for sure hes had his struggles, but his still young.. hes been in big games before, hes skilled.. he plays top line minutes all season long.. i dont know how much i like him, but hes right there on the cusp.. will he make the next step? who knows, i cant say..

but the rangers are loaded with players like this... nash? can he turn it up a notch in the playoffs? can staal? can pouliot? can zucc? can brassard?


lots of depth, there is no real dependence on one guy..
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Hey, I love D-Step. I'm sure he'll get there one day.
 
This team has a 4 line attack. The lack of dynamic skill at center hurts, but all four of our centers are solid players and good playmakers. Brassard, to my surprise, has really started to become an all around player. He's solid on his own end, IMO, and he can make big plays. Same with Stepan. Richards is up and down defensively, but he can still
make plays, too.

We are dangerous on wing (with MSL). Our PP and PK are huge factors. The PP with MSL would be ridiculous.
 
haohmaru said:
I don't hear you complaining about his salary while talking about how good he is defensively and on the PK, both of which Boyle is better at and has proven better scoring potential + playoff performances while simultaneously *****ing about a 2.5/M cap hit.

I'm not buying what you're selling. That's all.
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Dorsett's contract is 1 more year. Boyle will sign a longer contract at a much higher cap hit. That would be why.
 
aufheben said:
I didn't realize I was actually rooting for the Philadelphia Flyers this whole time.

And how is Stepan a good playoff performer? He can't take face-offs, he can't put up points. He's good defensively.
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Except any team that put any kind of pressure on Fleury the last 2 playoffs could have scored. He was letting in ****** goals left and right, it didn't take much. We finally have a team that doesn't spend 90% of the time in their own zone and put pressure on the other team. We don't score an amazing amount of goals, but against Fleury, if we just put pressure he can implode.
 
aufheben said:
I'm just posting facts. I have yet to see anyone refute: Our lack of a top line center; Stepan being an awful playoff performer; points from the backend.

Seriously, if you guys can't handle anything that's not lollipops and daffodils, feel free to ignore it.
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Nash has yet to prove he can be a force in the playoffs either. So far Boyle has proven he can overachieve and rise to the occasion in the playoffs, as has Brassard in one playoff run. Everyone else.... ehhhhhhhh. I need to see some more players to play up to their potential offensively in the postseason before I become convinced that they can make a cup run.
 
aufheben said:
I didn't realize I was actually rooting for the Philadelphia Flyers this whole time.

And how is Stepan a good playoff performer? He can't take face-offs, he can't put up points. He's good defensively.
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Anyone claiming Stepan is a good playoff performer is just not looking at the numbers, or watching him play. He has disappeared for games on end. He can still put it all together though. Don't write him off.
 
NYR Viper said:
Missed the point.

You are ignoring the smart long term decision of moving a few players who won't be around past the next couple of months to return assets that can be used longer in order to give yourself an "anything can happen".
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im not really ignoring anything, just not sure what the heck your trying to get across..

so we should have traded danny g because pitt and bos are just too goliath like?

im only concerned with what the rangers have now.. and right now they are good enough to get into the playoffs and then who knows.. they are a team that has the potential up and down the line up to make that who know come true..
 
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