Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXV: It's a Marty Party [*Mod Warning post #132]

[NYRPat21]

I just want this to be over already.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

He's got to be the captain if Cally is dealt. He's the quiet hero of the Rangers--an undrafted free agent that came up through the ranks to become the defensive anchor of the Rangers, especially when Staal has been sidelined by injuries. If the Cally for MSL deal works out at all, then Girardi upgrades to the C on his sweater and MSL takes Girardi's A. If Cally gets traded for Stewart + picks, then give McDonagh or Stepan an A because they are the future of the Rangers.

Well, Girardi only wears an A when there's an injury to Richards or Staal.

If Cally is traded either Girardi or Staal should be captain. Richards keeps his A and whoever doesn't get the C, gets the other A.

 

[RGY]

Much rather MSL over Kesler.

 

[5 4 Fighting]

Cally, Fasth,2nd for MSL and Koekkek.

 

[RGY]

Cally, Fasth,2nd for MSL and Koekkek.

Cally 2nd, Buchnevich for MSL

 

[Todd Harvey]

I would just point out, since we debated it today around 4:30pm, and most seemed to think it okay, that Callahan did manage to block a shot with his neck or the back of his head in this game.
He was also hurting from another block later on.

He should've never dressed for this game.
Rangers have Flyers & Bruins as last games before the deadline.
He 100% shouldn't dress for those either.

How far ya wanna push Lady Luck?

 

[RGY]

I would just point out, since we debated it today around 4:30pm, and most seemed to think it okay, that Callahan did manage to block a shot in this game with his neck or the back of his head.
He was also hurting from another block later on.

He should've never dressed for this game.
Rangers have Flyers & Bruins as last games before the deadline.
He 100% shouldn't dress for those either.

How far ya wanna push Lady Luck?

Um were still trying to make the playoffs...

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Um were still trying to make the playoffs...

Wait, we aren't tanking?

 

[Todd Harvey]

Um were still trying to make the playoffs...

Aahhh... it'd take a trainwreck to derail this team from the playoffs, the way they look.
They just completed a very nice sweep of the Cup champs, most enjoyable.

But it only takes one Chara shot to cripple Cally, and as I remember, there is a precedent!

Think I saw tonight there were 42-43 days left in season.
So lets see.... a busted fibula, 4-5 weeks; Cally comes back, we get knocked out in first round (not improbable, depending whom we draw with this new format), Cally signs elsewhere, and we get nada for him?
Talk about miserable asset management.
That'd be like some Copperfield trick gone horribly awry.

Id rather lose to Philly 20-0 than lose a major piece for nothing.
And again, who says we lose just cause Cally doesnt play 17 minutes?

Oh, how's this for a 'rumor'; Stewart+ to TB, Cally to St Louis (via TB), St Louis to us? Anybody not happy?

 

[Ola]

Two things (this bugs me the most):

ONE, a contract that seems expensive one year tends to not seem as expensive just a year or two later. Not to mention 3-4 years after being signed. We all -- without exception -- thought it was the right thing to let BRANDON PRUST go. 4 years and 10m for him??? That seems nuts. That was an expensive contract if anything. In hindsight, maybe we even should have kept him. Not only did we loose him, we lost 50% of Boyle's effectiveness. AND every single year we have actually paid more to players that we thought could have replaced Prust, like Pyatt, Asham, Powe and co, and got much less. Prust got 2 years left. A lesson we have learned many times: A lot of things can go wrong when making a change on your roster. You should instead of counting on a home town discount, add a premium to home time players because you know what you get and odds are that it will take more time, money and resources to replace someone.

TWO: I believe Glen Sather is making a big misstake when making the term of the contract the hill he is willing to die on. AAV scares me, not the length of the contract. *The Cap will sky rocket. 70+m next season. Closer to 80m when Canadian TV-money comes into play. The game is doing better and better and in terms of interest got a ton of potential to grow. *As the cap sky rockets -- it will get closer to 100m in a hurry -- many more teams will become so called budget teams. And many more will struggle to even get to the celling. --- We have the ability, the option, to give both Cally and Girardi EIGHT YEAR DEALS, frontloaded to the max. That would bring down the AAV for both. Make them easier to carry the coming 2-3 years. After 4-5 years we could have the actual money paid to them come down a lot. If Slats could sell a limited NTC to them in the last 3-4 years of their deals, I JUST CAN'T SEE THAT THEY WOULD BECOME A BURDEN FOR US. If they break down, they go on LTIR. If they do not break down, I can't see us having a problem trading a great character veteran like Girardi or Cally if paid real money of around 4m. They won't be 40 y/o. They would be like 34-36. A bunch of teams won't care about the cap hit and for many others a high cap hit is only good because it takes them closer to the celling.

Would it be risk free? Of course not, but believe me, no matter what option we go with there will be a ton of risks involved...

 

[Cake or Death]

I'm just gonna throw this out there. If cally is traded and girardi stays, i think girardi should be the captain.

I remember during Staal's earlier on injuries, that a few players referred to Staal as one of the most notable leaders in the room, saying that not just his on ice, but also his locker room presence were very missed. If that's the case, coupled with how he is playing now, I could honestly see Staal as the next captain. And I'd be very okay with it.

 

[Ola]

In 2007 the cap was 44m.

Detroit signed a 33 y/o Brian Rafalski to a 5 year 6 million contract.

A 6m contract under a 44m cap is a 13.6% portion of the cap. A 13.6% portion of the cap next season would equal a caphit of 9.75 million. It was a HUGE contract.

However, by the time Rafalski was 36 y/o, the cap had gone up to 60m. He was still paid a lot, but there is a big diffrence between paying someone 6m under a 44-50m cap and 6m under a 60m cap. You have like 16m more to spend on other players under the later scenario.

Then Rafalski did broke down (OMG WORST CASE SCENARIO WHAT HAPPEND TO DETROIT DO THEY STILL EXIST??????). He settled with his insurance company and retired. Didn't even go on LTIR.

Cally and Girardi are 28 y/o and 29 y/o. The cap will hit 71m next season, closer to 80m the year after that with the Canadian TV money, and then it will undoutedly grow at the very least 5% on avg of the coming 6 years. That would give us a cap closer to 110 million 8 years after this summer.

 

[Ola]

My two last posts are my argument for why to resign Cally and Girardi.

This is the argument for letting them go.

When the cap sky-rockets, and it de facto will, few teams will be able to follow the development. It will start to get expensive for even 10-15 teams to follow the cap. We have a good future and a good core (unless the locker-room breaks down). We have the advantage of NY.

In a league where 10-15 teams just can't compete because they can only afford to spend 40-60m when the rest spends 80m, we will see an even stronger reaction in terms of UFAs going to the attractive market. A teams and B teams.

There is no UFA market in the coming two years. But what will happen in three years and four years? No matter what, UFAs will be extremely expensive. When the cap is 80-90m and everyone have capspace, we are looking at cap hits of 12+m easily. But if we don't invest in Cally and G, we would have a lot of cap space by then and a good young core in place.

 

[Ola]

I remember during Staal's earlier on injuries, that a few players referred to Staal as one of the most notable leaders in the room, saying that not just his on ice, but also his locker room presence were very missed. If that's the case, coupled with how he is playing now, I could honestly see Staal as the next captain. And I'd be very okay with it.

And if we make Staal the captain, he will feel the responsibility and resign with us right?

 

[Cake or Death]

And if we make Staal the captain, he will feel the responsibility and resign with us right?

I have no clue: I'm not a mind read reader and I don't pretend to have that level of insight. I'd seen interviews where a few important players who are in the locker room mentioned his important presence in the room. I posted to that and nothing more.

 

[Cake or Death]

And if we make Staal the captain, he will feel the responsibility and resign with us right?

I will say this... I would LOVE for him to stay, even with the injury history. I've been following the team about 40 years and him and McD as a 1-2 punch at LD is not something you see very often at all.

 

[Rangers ftw]

Two things (this bugs me the most):

ONE, a contract that seems expensive one year tends to not seem as expensive just a year or two later. Not to mention 3-4 years after being signed. We all -- without exception -- thought it was the right thing to let BRANDON PRUST go. 4 years and 10m for him??? That seems nuts. That was an expensive contract if anything. In hindsight, maybe we even should have kept him. Not only did we loose him, we lost 50% of Boyle's effectiveness. AND every single year we have actually paid more to players that we thought could have replaced Prust, like Pyatt, Asham, Powe and co, and got much less. Prust got 2 years left. A lesson we have learned many times: A lot of things can go wrong when making a change on your roster. You should instead of counting on a home town discount, add a premium to home time players because you know what you get and odds are that it will take more time, money and resources to replace someone.

TWO: I believe Glen Sather is making a big misstake when making the term of the contract the hill he is willing to die on. AAV scares me, not the length of the contract. *The Cap will sky rocket. 70+m next season. Closer to 80m when Canadian TV-money comes into play. The game is doing better and better and in terms of interest got a ton of potential to grow. *As the cap sky rockets -- it will get closer to 100m in a hurry -- many more teams will become so called budget teams. And many more will struggle to even get to the celling. --- We have the ability, the option, to give both Cally and Girardi EIGHT YEAR DEALS, frontloaded to the max. That would bring down the AAV for both. Make them easier to carry the coming 2-3 years. After 4-5 years we could have the actual money paid to them come down a lot. If Slats could sell a limited NTC to them in the last 3-4 years of their deals, I JUST CAN'T SEE THAT THEY WOULD BECOME A BURDEN FOR US. If they break down, they go on LTIR. If they do not break down, I can't see us having a problem trading a great character veteran like Girardi or Cally if paid real money of around 4m. They won't be 40 y/o. They would be like 34-36. A bunch of teams won't care about the cap hit and for many others a high cap hit is only good because it takes them closer to the celling.

Would it be risk free? Of course not, but believe me, no matter what option we go with there will be a ton of risks involved...

Probably the best post I've read for keeping them. I do however prefer to trade them/sign them for less, but if that can't be done, that is the better way to go!

 

[RangerBoy]

In the newest AV squad with Billy Pidto,Vigneault answered a twitter question about Dorsett. He said Dorsett and Carcillo on the same line will be tough for a team to play against. Carcillo is playing with Boyle and Moore. Unless there's a trade of Boyle or Moore or an injury to them,Dorsett isn't playing with Carcillo. The Rangers don't want Dorsett on the 3rd line. That's why they called up Miller. Did AV drop a hint about the future plans of the front office? Boyle or Moore getting traded by Wednesday? Dorsett can replace the traded player on the PK. The Rangers got Carcillo for a 7th. They can get much more than a 7th for either Boyle or Moore. They can get more for Boyle. Asset management.

 

[RangerBoy]

Stall will need to sign a contract if he wants to wear the C. The Rangers can't wait around until next fall to re-sign Staal. He will cost big dollars. Girardi will cost big dollars. If Staal doesn't want to sign,the Rangers can't lose him for nothing.

 

[slugox]

You're also probably saving 1-2 million on the cap by trading Boyle over Moore. Better asset in return, plus savings.

 

[Ail]

Aahhh... it'd take a trainwreck to derail this team from the playoffs, the way they look.
They just completed a very nice sweep of the Cup champs, most enjoyable.

But it only takes one Chara shot to cripple Cally, and as I remember, there is a precedent!

Think I saw tonight there were 42-43 days left in season.
So lets see.... a busted fibula, 4-5 weeks; Cally comes back, we get knocked out in first round (not improbable, depending whom we draw with this new format), Cally signs elsewhere, and we get nada for him?
Talk about miserable asset management.
That'd be like some Copperfield trick gone horribly awry.

Id rather lose to Philly 20-0 than lose a major piece for nothing.
And again, who says we lose just cause Cally doesnt play 17 minutes?

Oh, how's this for a 'rumor'; Stewart+ to TB, Cally to St Louis (via TB), St Louis to us? Anybody not happy?

Re: rumor:

Oh please let that be the deal. That is best case scenario and it's not even close.

 

[Ail]

I'd rather keep Boyle for the playoffs, but if they can somehow pressure a desperate GM to give up a first for him, I think you have to take that.

 

[NYR Viper]

In the newest AV squad with Billy Pidto,Vigneault answered a twitter question about Dorsett. He said Dorsett and Carcillo on the same line will be tough for a team to play against. Carcillo is playing with Boyle and Moore. Unless there's a trade of Boyle or Moore or an injury to them,Dorsett isn't playing with Carcillo. The Rangers don't want Dorsett on the 3rd line. That's why they called up Miller. Did AV drop a hint about the future plans of the front office? Boyle or Moore getting traded by Wednesday? Dorsett can replace the traded player on the PK. The Rangers got Carcillo for a 7th. They can get much more than a 7th for either Boyle or Moore. They can get more for Boyle. Asset management.

I've only been calling for this for over a month. It's a good move.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I'd trade Boyle before I traded Moore... I could see Boyle getting more, and he will cost more to keep.

a line of Carcillo-Moore-Dorsett? eh. guess it works for a 4th line, but I actually like the 4th line we have right now.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

I'd rather keep Boyle for the playoffs, but if they can somehow pressure a desperate GM to give up a first for him, I think you have to take that.

Yeah Boyle has been our numba one stunna in the PO's but if you can trade him whatevs my brah. I think Moore will bring more to the table in the PO's than even a motivated Boyle and Carcillo/Dorsett are both better than Boyle in my eyes so he seems the low man on the totem pole (IRONIC CAUSE HEZ TALL).