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DudMan28
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Kesler had those two uber-productive seasons, but he's not a guy I would consider to be a #1C at this point of his career. I think a team like St. Louis could make a legitimate play at him though. They need a scoring center and he fits the mold of the players they like, and they could afford to give up a high-level prospect in the deal. Kesler also hates being under the microscope all the time, so St. Louis would probably be a place that he would waive his NTC for.
LaffyTaffyNYR
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so guys who could maybe be moved.. St Louis, Kesler, Girardi, Callahan, Vanek.. This could be a crazy TDL
I'd like the lines better if Stewart and Zucc were swapped. Zucc could do some damage with two guys like Kreider and Kesler on his line. That being said, I'm just not particularly interested in Kesler. I think he's primed for a downturn in his career.
me too. torts has experimented him at wing this year as well. if u have a beast 2 way C why would u put him at wing? there are few players in the league that have taken a physical beating as much as he has in the past 5 years. this would be a early 2000s type trade for the rangers if we acquired him.
HatTrick Swayze
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I don't really disagree, and am by no means gung ho team Kesler. Any (or 95%) NHLer being acquired at 30, is being paid for (in contract or assets) mostly based on past production. Just throwing a scenario out there.
Fair enough, and like I said, I do like the moves on paper that you proposed, sans the Kesler one. Value is good, but the target is off for me.
The thing that really confuses me is that if the these rumors are true, the Rangers are potentially shopping two, perhaps more, key pieces of their roster. We saw the fallout after we dealt Dubinsky, so how is this team going to fair when they deal two other glue guys? I'm totally on board with trading them if we can't come to terms, but my point is that if we try to make "win now" trades, how much of that "now" is going to be thrown away while the team tries to find it's bearings after a pretty heavy shakeup? It's entirely feasible that we could add an elite talent like MSL and still take a big step back this year.
To me, "win now" means "win next year". Just too much potential turn over at the deadline to assume the plan is to stay at the current level of play.
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I know people say Stastny is the best center on the market this offseason, but could the Rangers not take a run at Ryan O'Reilly? He's a restricted free agent, but maybe you make a nice enough offer and the Avs would let him walk.
Or maybe you indicate to the Avs that you are going to make him a huge offer so "why don't they trade us his rights for a prospect" and then the Rangers are the team that can match any offer, etc.
I feel like that is not a bad option.
Or maybe you indicate to the Avs that you are going to make him a huge offer so "why don't they trade us his rights for a prospect" and then the Rangers are the team that can match any offer, etc.
I feel like that is not a bad option.
HatTrick Swayze
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This is an aspect that rarely gets discussed on here. I hope it is brought up more frequently by the Rangers' management. Trading the Captain and an (almost) Assistant at the same deadline could have a huge affect on the room. Especially since AV has said he likes to let the players run the room themselves.
Chemistry, familiarity, personal bonds, do play a role. A stand up veteran guy like MSL definitely could help fill the void. But if, say Stewart (sorry kenjets) and Vatanen are the main roster pieces coming back...it could be a nightmare. Not long term, but now.
LaffyTaffyNYR
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Roy absolutely loves ROR. it will take a kings ransom to trade for him, and they will probably match almost any offer.
The Nash deal proved that dealing core players can really disrupt the success of a team, so I have to think they're at least aware of it. I think that even though MSL is a leader himself, it's really hard to say that he'll come in and the players will unify under his leadership (assuming he gets a letter or becomes the defacto leader in the room).
However, I think the risk of losing these guys for nothing outweighs the pitfalls of dealing them. I'm just a little confused about the strategy of who they are targeting. Do we want to target replacement leaders? These guys are outsiders coming into a room full of players who have been together for a while. Might this be a situation where you target guys who can assimilate themselves over the next year or so, as opposed to adding guys who are going to want to come in and grab the reins? If we add MSL and then buyout his buddy Richards in 5 months, how does that affect the team? How does it affect MSL?
I dunno. It's all speculative, but it's something that, like you said, often gets overlooked around here. A team is a delicate blend of personalities. You can torpedo a season very quickly if you add the wrong ones.
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StepansLabyrinth
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On the ice, too... Girardi is the guy who sets the pace for the defense and who the other guys look to in that regard. I was talking about this with my dad tonight and he mentioned that, during that timeout, everyone else was leaning over the bench and Girardi was the guy talking. Maybe McDonagh and Staal step up, but that role is hard to replace.
Other than Vatanen, there are two other defensemen i would target; Adam Clendening or Ryan Sproul. Both are going to be studs. Both are blocked.
Would also look into Jamie McGinn. Would Stralman get it done? Assuming we pick up an offensive RHD.
Would also look into Jamie McGinn. Would Stralman get it done? Assuming we pick up an offensive RHD.
Nanaki
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Unless we are receiving a significantly better player we shouldn't deal him until we absolutely have to at the deadline.
mcsauer2738
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I'm just gonna throw this out there. If cally is traded and girardi stays, i think girardi should be the captain.
Basically worked all through the game, and it really became work,
on a conference call and texting with some hockey buds far more astute than I.
We go at it pretty good.
The one thing we agree on is mucho activity, and the league looking quite a bit different next week.
One of the unanimous conclusions was that Kesler is not only a smokescreen, but a perfect one to force StevieY to get off his ass and give us Marty St Louis - cheap! LOL
A healthy Kesler's one any team would love to have, but we pegged the odds at about 25% he comes to NY at the expense of Stepan.
A bit higher without Step, but then the question is, where does he play? Cally's RW spot? been over this before here Im pretty sure.
Im not opposed, depends on price. But I dont see Sather relinquishing Stepan's prime years unless its a much bigger deal.
I did learn of a few smaller possibilities that could be under consideration; apparently Dallas was scouting us again tonight;
but especially with how some of their supposed targets played, I just cant see it. Think the NYR are lining up some secondary possibilities in case things get wild and crazy, and who knows, maybe they do want to add a tough wing last minute?
Ill tell ya, JT Miller made maybe the strongest case of his young career for himself tonight. To me at least, he sudenly looked all grown up. Even a bit more upright, taller LOL;
That one I know is impossible, cause he couldnt have grown since his last callup. But impressive game for the kid and again, how much better are some of these marginal names (Steve Ott, who's an ass!)? IDK.
Anyway, Im still where Ive been. Cally for MSL and Girardi resigns.
Maybe they pick up some insurance cheap.
on a conference call and texting with some hockey buds far more astute than I.
We go at it pretty good.
The one thing we agree on is mucho activity, and the league looking quite a bit different next week.
One of the unanimous conclusions was that Kesler is not only a smokescreen, but a perfect one to force StevieY to get off his ass and give us Marty St Louis - cheap! LOL
A healthy Kesler's one any team would love to have, but we pegged the odds at about 25% he comes to NY at the expense of Stepan.
A bit higher without Step, but then the question is, where does he play? Cally's RW spot? been over this before here Im pretty sure.
Im not opposed, depends on price. But I dont see Sather relinquishing Stepan's prime years unless its a much bigger deal.
I did learn of a few smaller possibilities that could be under consideration; apparently Dallas was scouting us again tonight;
but especially with how some of their supposed targets played, I just cant see it. Think the NYR are lining up some secondary possibilities in case things get wild and crazy, and who knows, maybe they do want to add a tough wing last minute?
Ill tell ya, JT Miller made maybe the strongest case of his young career for himself tonight. To me at least, he sudenly looked all grown up. Even a bit more upright, taller LOL;
That one I know is impossible, cause he couldnt have grown since his last callup. But impressive game for the kid and again, how much better are some of these marginal names (Steve Ott, who's an ass!)? IDK.
Anyway, Im still where Ive been. Cally for MSL and Girardi resigns.
Maybe they pick up some insurance cheap.
sexton11
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This I have to say, I dont fully get;
From everything reported it seems like it's been as follows;
Girardi; I want 5-6 yrs, 5.5M +.
NYR: Ok, Dan.
Girardi; Nope, Im not signing. LOL
So IDK; it lends credence to this theory Cally & G are teamed up to shake Sather down. But I dont see it;
I much prefer to think Rangers just have to wait to make announcement on Girardi signing until Cally's moved. it just looks lousy otherwise. Meantime, other teams think Girardi's in play and we get to see what's really available off their rosters.
Girardi's agent today did say a bit more work to do.
And agents have to be cool too. They can't play a GM, especially not Sather, without it coming back to bite them. We'll see.
Girardi on contract: "We’ll be working here the next few days hopefully & we’ll try to bang something out. Meantime, I go about my job."
From everything reported it seems like it's been as follows;
Girardi; I want 5-6 yrs, 5.5M +.
NYR: Ok, Dan.
Girardi; Nope, Im not signing. LOL
So IDK; it lends credence to this theory Cally & G are teamed up to shake Sather down. But I dont see it;
I much prefer to think Rangers just have to wait to make announcement on Girardi signing until Cally's moved. it just looks lousy otherwise. Meantime, other teams think Girardi's in play and we get to see what's really available off their rosters.
Girardi's agent today did say a bit more work to do.
And agents have to be cool too. They can't play a GM, especially not Sather, without it coming back to bite them. We'll see.
Girardi on contract: "We’ll be working here the next few days hopefully & we’ll try to bang something out. Meantime, I go about my job."
True NYR Blue
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Agreed
He's got to be the captain if Cally is dealt. He's the quiet hero of the Rangers--an undrafted free agent that came up through the ranks to become the defensive anchor of the Rangers, especially when Staal has been sidelined by injuries. If the Cally for MSL deal works out at all, then Girardi upgrades to the C on his sweater and MSL takes Girardi's A. If Cally gets traded for Stewart + picks, then give McDonagh or Stepan an A because they are the future of the Rangers.
He's got to be the captain if Cally is dealt. He's the quiet hero of the Rangers--an undrafted free agent that came up through the ranks to become the defensive anchor of the Rangers, especially when Staal has been sidelined by injuries. If the Cally for MSL deal works out at all, then Girardi upgrades to the C on his sweater and MSL takes Girardi's A. If Cally gets traded for Stewart + picks, then give McDonagh or Stepan an A because they are the future of the Rangers.
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