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Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIV: C'est la St. Louis?

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TheDirtyH said:
I guess my point is there isn't really a sure thing to be found here. I agree with you that Girardi could still play tough minutes for many years. Though he could also turn into a Regehr or Phillips or (gulp) Zanon in a few years and be an ok third pairing guy like you say. Now, that isn't quite the worst case scenario, unless we're allowing the worst case scenario for Vatanen is that he maxes out as a Diaz third pairing offensive guy. In any case, that worst case scenario for Girardi becomes a lot worse when you're paying him 6mil a year. Whereas Vatanen will be a lot more cost effective, particularly if he doesn't get any better.
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If I have a chance to win the Cup in the next few years, I'm not trading a vital piece to the puzzle for potential. Thats the way I see it.

After the next few years, who knows what will happen? If I knew what Vatanen was going to be, then maybe the situation would be a little different. All you know is that right now Girardi>>>Vatenen.
 
Callahan can't fetch St. Louis because of his contractual status. He wants a ton of money. He can walk out of the door for nothing. When his agent says the current demand$ to the Rangers are a "discount" to what the player can get as a free agent then you know the player is going to be a tough re-sign. Buffalo is the team which will give Callahan what he wants. Maybe even more than $6.75M.
 
Gardner McKay said:
Read what you just said very carefully.

If none of us really have any idea what is going on, then how can we judge MSL and lose respect for him if we are unaware of what is truly going on.

Could Girardi have made that decision? I guess it is possible but personally I doubt it.
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I didn't lose respect for him.

I'm saying things change & our perceptions of players are just that.

It seems like G is viewed as a guy ready to stay when we don't know.

So when pressed with "what if he won't sign" & getting "just get it done, it's close, just 500k" isn't really answering the question.
 
NYR Viper said:
People stress size too much on defense. The Rangers need skill. They have good defensive d-men and more on the way. They have no player who can really push the pace and provide some offense. MDZ was supposed to be that player. Moore looks more like a 2-way guy. Those guys are valuable.
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I agree to an extent, but I think Girardi get's underrated when it comes to how much he insulates our defense. The guy plays some extremely tough minutes. It's hard to say that Stralman or Klein can effectively fill that void.

This whole situation is very, very strange. One minute we're allegedly close to signing Girardi, then the next there's widespread speculation that talks have deteriorated.
 
Gardner McKay said:
How do we go from a deal likely to get done to impasse to he won't sign? We knew there was a difference between the 2 parties (not a very large one either) but how does that get turned into he won't sign?
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The Rangers have met his 6 years and $33M asking price but Girardi doesn't appear willing and/or ready to accept that. He made that request in the fall. Brooks wrote about it today. Management has no choice other than trading him.
 
It's entirely feasible that the Rangers increased their efforts to trade Girardi in order to add more young assets. Hence softening the blow when they add one to Callahan in a MSL trade. Still, I have to think that Yzerman wants more than just a prospect or pick in addition to Cally.

But again, I think it's far more plausible that Yzerman holds out until after the deadline, thus forcing the Rangers to either part with more important pieces, as Callahan will be gone or borderline worthless in a MSL trade, or to get MSL to open up his list once he see's what teams in the area do over the off-season.
 
RangerBoy said:
The Rangers have met his 6 years and $33M asking price but Girardi doesn't appear willing and/or ready to accept that. He made that request in the fall. Brooks wrote about it today. Management has no choice other than trading him.
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Thankfully these two don't have NMC's
 
Girardi for Vatanen and OTT 1st round pick

Callahan for Stewart, 2nd round pick, and prospect.

Stewart, STL 2nd, and prospect or two for MSL
 
Trxjw said:
I agree to an extent, but I think Girardi get's underrated when it comes to how much he insulates our defense. The guy plays some extremely tough minutes. It's hard to say that Stralman or Klein can effectively fill that void.

This whole situation is very, very strange. One minute we're allegedly close to signing Girardi, then the next there's widespread speculation that talks have deteriorated.
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When rumors of trading both G & Cally came around wasn't there a difference in the ideas floated?

I thought regarding G the company line floated was like "if we get the feeling he'd rather try UFA than sign we will trade him" ?

That's different than if we can't agree on terms. I got the impression NYR might feel like they're heading towards UFA regardless.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
How would you feel about (and I know this is vague, but what choice do we have?)

Girardi to Anaheim for Vatanen +(pick or 'spect)

Callahan to Blues for Stewart + 2nd

Stewart, a pick, and a prospect to Tampa for Martin St. Louis

Rangers acquire 38 year old reigning Art Ross winner, and 22 year old RD with high upside. Hedges bets of "win now" vs. keeping an eye on the future.
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Depends on the pick and the prospect, but I'd feel a lot better about that than what's been bandied about by those who are all in for this year's POs.

I would still much rather get MSL at next year's deadline or, better yet... once he hits UFA, sign him to a series of 1-year contracts until he's done/wants to retire.
 
RGY said:
Why? Girardi solidifies ANA defense for a strong run at a cup. Price to pay for the best defenseman on the trade market.
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I think Girardi would fetch quite a high price, so I have to agree. Ottawa's pick won't be a lottery one, so it isn't that far fetched.
 
Ail said:
I don't think Calgary makes Glencross available barring massive overpayment.
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Glencross is 31 and has 1 more season at 2.5. Next year he is a capologist's dream. Can't believe Calgary is going to want to pay him 6.75 aav or even 2/3s of that moving forward. Or that Glencross is going to want to stay in Calgary when many teams will be vying for his signature.
 
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