Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIII: Getcha' pitchforks ready.

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And please enlighten me which long term pieces are out there that are better than MSL?

Doesn't it suck when there's no easy fix? When you actually have to do hard work, put in time and build towards a long-term solution?

That's the answer.

Acquire pieces, continue to make shrewd trades. Get more shots at the draft. Trade for guys like Nash or Richards/Carter or Seguin when the next one comes up.
 
I love how the modus operandi of this board is let's try and win 3 years from now. I've been on here for 12 years, and it's always the same.

How about we win the game on Thursday.. the one after that, and the one after that?

The goal of every organization in the NHL is to be the team that wins the last game of the season. Or at least it should be.
 
Doesn't it suck when there's no easy fix? When you actually have to do hard work, put in time and build towards a long-term solution?

That's the answer.

Acquire pieces, continue to make shrewd trades. Get more shots at the draft. Trade for guys like Nash or Richards/Carter or Seguin when the next one comes up.

Normally, I would whole heartedly agree... if this didn't happen to be the culmination of a "futures" plan established 5-6 years ago.

At some point you have to go for it.

Solid defense. Great goalie. Balanced offense. Now.
 
I love how the modus operandi of this board is let's try and win 3 years from now. I've been on here for 12 years, and it's always the same.

How about we win the game on Thursday.. the one after that, and the one after that?

The goal of every organization in the NHL is to be the team that wins the last game of the season. Or at least it should be.

You're absolutely right about some of us here on the board.

You know why that's been our M.O. for 12 years? Because the man at the helm has operated on yours for 11 out of those 12 years.
 
Normally, I would whole heartedly agree... if this didn't happen to be the culmination of a "futures" plan established 5-6 years ago.

At some point you have to go for it.

Solid defense. Great goalie. Balanced offense. Now.

agreed.. lets keep building up for it..

maybe in 5 years after acquiring all these picks and prospects people want to acquire the Rangers will be ready to compete with Lundqvist is 37 years old, Mcdonagh is almost 30, Nash is 35, etc.
 
Moyes out!! :rant:

Feel genuinely bad for Moyes. He looked like a deer caught in the headlights yesterday. Some of his players couldn't even put one foot in front of the other last night without falling on their own. Van persie gets a prime scoring chance and sends it to the second deck. Incredible.
 
I love how the modus operandi of this board is let's try and win 3 years from now. I've been on here for 12 years, and it's always the same.

How about we win the game on Thursday.. the one after that, and the one after that?

The goal of every organization in the NHL is to be the team that wins the last game of the season. Or at least it should be.

This is how I feel, add that on top of the fact that even with a great line-up and a great regular season so much can change in the playoffs...We've seen an 8th seed win it all (LA) and a team that squeaked into the playoffs on the last day of the season go all the way to the Stanley Cup Finals(Philly)

I gladly take MSL for Callahan for the rest of this year and the next, even if the Rangers have to add a bit to the deal

Everyone worries about assets for the 'future'....3 to 4 years from now Lundqvist and Nash are a lot older. I think the window for this team to go all the way is these next couple years IMO
 
Keep hearing ducks and bruins want f
Danny boy and weighing offers.. My gut he signs here also Blues calling the rangers not other way around
 
Normally, I would whole heartedly agree... if this didn't happen to be the culmination of a "futures" plan established 5-6 years ago.

At some point you have to go for it.

Solid defense. Great goalie. Balanced offense. Now.

What futures plan? When he acquired Antropov? Jokinen? Clowe? When he signed Drury? Redden? Gomez?

As I was mentioning to Mikos, Slats has committed to the future exactly one time - in 2004. Other than that, it's always been about the current season.

And the funny thing is, just because I'm not on board with "anything can happen" doesn't mean I'm pessimistic about the future of this team or that I'm advocating a full-on tank job. I (and I think most who agree with me, like GAG and Swayze) am not advocating ripping out the core pieces and selling them off for parts. All we're saying is that when you haven't yet reached contender status, you should:

a) avoid spending assets for short-term improvements; and
b) use your own fringe and/or expiring assets to acquire long-term parts.

Show a little patience and vision for a year or two. Then, once you've got a proper core, I'm absolutely on board with bringing in rentals and older guys to fill in around the edges.

Like I posted over the weekend, follow the blueprint of the 90s Yankees - not the 80s.
 
Keep hearing ducks and bruins want f
Danny boy and weighing offers.. My gut he signs here also Blues calling the rangers not other way around

I would not trade Girardi to the Bruins outside of a big overpay.. Thats the last thing the Bruins need is a D man like him, they would be almost impossible to beat..

Are the Blues calling about Callahan/Girardi/both?
 
agreed.. lets keep building up for it..

maybe in 5 years after acquiring all these picks and prospects people want to acquire the Rangers will be ready to compete with Lundqvist is 37 years old, Mcdonagh is almost 30, Nash is 35, etc.

Or maybe we can look at the young pieces we have, say wow, this is a great core to build around and try to continue to build around it with younger guys.

Did we inquire about Seguin, how about F.Forsberg who was gotten for a complete steal in Erat.

All i hear from the Rangers is rumors about acquiring old and/or overpaid players. MSL, Nash, Richards, etc. Guys who are expensive and not young. Look at the good teams, they are all built around younger guys, outside of maybe San Jose (who have been living off the success of the shrewd trade for Thornton years ago).

We are incapable of doing that. What even happens five years down the road? Lundqvist, MSL, Nash, Girardi, Lundqvist, etc.

You can't think about just one year anymore, especially when you're a Rangers team that is not up there with Boston or Pittsburgh yet.

Honestly, even those teams seem to think longer term then the Rangers and they're extremely competative!

Or we can continue to revert back to the norm, signing or trading for the typical shiny new toy and do what we've been doing since Sather took over.

It's an approach that's been rinsed and repeated a million times with this Rangers management and yet, people still seem to miss out on the fact that it's never going to work.
 
This is how I feel, add that on top of the fact that even with a great line-up and a great regular season so much can change in the playoffs...We've seen an 8th seed win it all (LA) and a team that squeaked into the playoffs on the last day of the season go all the way to the Stanley Cup Finals(Philly)

I gladly take MSL for Callahan for the rest of this year and the next, even if the Rangers have to add a bit to the deal

Everyone worries about assets for the 'future'....3 to 4 years from now Lundqvist and Nash are a lot older. I think the window for this team to go all the way is these next couple years IMO

This is called Hockey's Future Boards....... How dare you try and win now, I want it in 6 years when it is bigger.

In the mean time I will keep talking about trading my over 30 players for other teams top prospects
 
His modeus operandi since he got here. The asinine trade to rent Clowe last year is the most recent example.
To don't really see that as comparable, for a couple reasons. Clowe had 0 goals at the time of the trade, St. Louis is the league's leading point scorer in the last 4 years. Also, draft picks are future assets, while Callahan's under team control until June.
 
I could be completely off - but in Fall 2011 wasn't there a post on here about Ron Greschner emphatically stating that Rick Nash would be a Ranger? NMC + wanting to come to NY. That was pretty much all she wrote and it was a matter of if not when.

The Boomer leak via the "friends of the NYR" circle feels the same. I expect MSL to be a Ranger. Just my gut feeling. I am not overly happy about it (thought it would be fun as hell to watch him) but all signs are pointing that way, deadline or summer.
 
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