Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIII: Getcha' pitchforks ready.

[haveandare]

None of us are GM. Did you know Erat was going to be traded for Forsberg last year? HOw about Seguin for Eriksson? The trades are out there, especially for valuable pieces like Callahan. What exactly they are, no one knows. But every year we see them and every year i wonder why the heck the Rangers aren't in on them.

As said above by JG, the McDonagh trade was the pinnacle move of Sather's career as a Ranger GM. At the time, he was a high end prospect. The fact that we've done it with a complete lug in Gomez, means we can do it with other players as well, especially valuable rentals like Cally.

They aren't in on them because they don't happen often, because they depend on rare circumstances. Washington got robbed. That was a horrible mistake that I doubt even they would deny at this point. For a trade like that you need a gm who is desperate and stupid and willing to make a move anyway. Seguin for Eriksson could happen because the Bruins had completely ridiculous forward depth and it was clear Seguin was worth more to a team who could play him all the time than he would be to them. Eriksson wasn't injured nearly as often then, it wasn't that crazy of a deal IMO.

The fact that Sather found a desperate and stupid GM to deal with in the McD trade, much like the Preds did with Erat, means that he can do it again? What if nobody out there is stupid and desperate? These things don't happen in a vacuum. If we know that those types of trades have turned out to be robbery, so do the GMs who do this for a living.

Also, I find it odd that those who want to trade Cally for futures haven't really offered any realistic targets. What team in a position to take Callahan as a rental has extra young assets of that caliber that you think they'd trade for him? You don't have to call a trade that ends up happening, but I'd like to see some trades that at least could hypothetically happen that fit these plans. I don't see a contending team, which thinks they've been built well enough to win a cup, meeting Callahan's demands for an extension. I also don't see a contending team, which has been built intelligently enough to be in that position, trading a high profile prospect for a few months of Callahan in a year where's he been injured frequently.

 

[AHB*]

the same people were against signing Jagr... who has 50 points and still going very strong. MSL keeps himself in tip top shape and has shown no signs at all of slowing down.

Kind of a big difference between paying Jagr nothing but money (even though he couldn't have been fit under the cap at his asking of 4 mil--but we can disgregard that) and trading an asset, that we have built and developed for a 38 year old instead of picks and prospects or potentially one high end prospect.

Apples to oranges.

 

[Mikos87]

yeah pick the one trade that was so ridiculously lopsided according to everyone in the hockey world....Bob Gainey was an idiot and this is why he is no longer a GM.

We have a very solid team of young homegrown players with a good group of veterans....

Only on hfboards do people believe a team full of rookies win a Stanley cup

The window opened during the 11-12 season... that off-season the Rangers horribly mismanaged their free agents to be and had to make up for it last year... a team without Staal and Clowe (the Rangers version of Chara and Lucic) lost to the team that had Chara and Lucic.

This year they are adamant about not mishandling their upcoming UFAs. The window is open, time to add to it.

If everyone keeps looking towards tomorrow, what will they achieve today?

The Devils had a ten year window from 94-04 with elite goaltending a stalwart defense. The Rangers have elements, but need more scoring.

That '12 LA team struggled to score until they traded for Carter. After the Carter deal their GPG went up by nearly 1 GPG. That was enough for them to win the Cup.

The Rangers are in a similar position today.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

1) It's not giving up - if Hank, McD, Nash, MZA, Kreider and Co. can go on a run, bless 'em. I'll be rooting my ass off for it.

2) Under what scenario would you be willing to not sell assets to prop up the team's chances? (Again, I didn't say actively tank, I said simply avoid making moves focused on bolstering the team in the short run.) How far out do they have to be? Half the teams in the league can make the same arguments about their chances that the Rangers can.

3) Chicken counting? The guy who wants to roll the dice on one playoff run is the one who's counting chickens. Not the guy who wants to add young assets - the whole point of building a base of them is that it increases your odds of success.

I feel like we can have this argument for years.

*2040*

KJ36: "Go for it now!"
BRF: "Defer Defer!"

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

This may go down to the deadline. Or a day or two before. And I think there may be couple more moves made.

I was just listening to AV's post-practice audio on Carp's site and something stuck out at me. And thats when AV is answering whether he needs to wait until after the trade deadline to assess the team's chances going forward into the playoffs. And AV says' After the next three games, we're gonna have (pause) team after we play Toronto next week, we're gonna have the team we finish with'

AV paused because he was about to say 'different' team. And he stopped himself, and then continued to answer the question. Begins around the 3:35 minute mark if you want to hear.

Im posting this for everything, but I thought the folks who are worried the Rangers will stand pat may find that reassuring.

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com

That is a REALLY good catch.

Then again, given the state of Cally and Girardi's contracts (and Glen's propensity for making deadline deals), it's not a huge leap that it will be a different team.

 

[TheTakedown]

Has anyone considered a move for Eric Staal?

 

[AHB*]

They aren't in on them because they don't happen often, because they depend on rare circumstances. Washington got robbed. That was a horrible mistake that I doubt even they would deny at this point. For a trade like that you need a gm who is desperate and stupid and willing to make a move anyway. Seguin for Eriksson could happen because the Bruins had completely ridiculous forward depth and it was clear Seguin was worth more to a team who could play him all the time than he would be to them. Eriksson wasn't injured nearly as often then, it wasn't that crazy of a deal IMO.

The fact that Sather found a desperate and stupid GM to deal with in the McD trade, much like the Preds did with Erat, means that he can do it again? What if nobody out there is stupid and desperate? These things don't happen in a vacuum. If we know that those types of trades have turned out to be robbery, so do the GMs who do this for a living.

Also, I find it odd that those who want to trade Cally for futures haven't really offered any realistic targets. What team in a position to take Callahan as a rental has extra young assets of that caliber that you think they'd trade for him? You don't have to call a trade that ends up happening, but I'd like to see some trades that at least could hypothetically happen that fit these plans. I don't see a contending team, which thinks they've been built well enough to win a cup, meeting Callahan's demands for an extension. I also don't see a contending team, which has been built intelligently enough to be in that position, trading a high profile prospect for a few months of Callahan in a year where's he been injured frequently.

I would rather see Callahan traded for mid-first then see him traded for a 40 year old.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Kind of a big difference between paying Jagr nothing but money (even though he couldn't have been fit under the cap at his asking of 4 mil--but we can disgregard that) and trading an asset, that we have built and developed for a 38 year old instead of picks and prospects or potentially one high end prospect.

Apples to oranges.

It seems the arguments I read here and many other places are "he's 38 years old".. and I have already stated it would depend on what prospect or what round pick we would have to add to get him.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I feel like we can have this argument for years.

*2040*

KJ36: "Go for it now!"
BRF: "Defer Defer!"

The funny thing is... if Slats would follow my strategy for a couple of years, I'd be happy to switch to yours for the next several years thereafter (assuming he did a good job of course).

 

[AHB*]

The window opened during the 11-12 season... that off-season the Rangers horribly mismanaged their free agents to be and had to make up for it last year... a team without Staal and Clowe (the Rangers version of Chara and Lucic) lost to the team that had Chara and Lucic.

This year they are adamant about not mishandling their upcoming UFAs. The window is open, time to add to it.

If everyone keeps looking towards tomorrow, what will they achieve today?

The Devils had a ten year window from 94-04 with elite goaltending a stalwart defense. The Rangers have elements, but need more scoring.

That '12 LA team struggled to score until they traded for Carter. After the Carter deal their GPG went up by nearly 1 GPG. That was enough for them to win the Cup.

The Rangers are in a similar position today.

That LA team, prior to the trade for Carter was insanely underperforming. There depth was double what the Rangers is. For starters, they had Kopitar and Richards down the middle, both of whom are better then any Rangers center.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

actually, after thinking about it I dont know why we think Sather will do anything big at the deadline.. I mean the year we went to the ECF his big get at the deadline was... John Scott.. Then it was Ryan Clowe.. When does Sather really make a move at the deadline that could put the team over the top potentially/

 

[TheTakedown]

actually, after thinking about it I dont know why we think Sather will do anything big at the deadline.. I mean the year we went to the ECF his big get at the deadline was... John Scott.. Then it was Ryan Clowe.. When does Sather really make a move at the deadline that could put the team over the top potentially/

because our captain wants way too much $.. simple

 

[Mikos87]

Has anyone considered a move for Eric Staal?

I have. He would fill an ideal need. Big, Strong Playmaking Center.

If you go down the list of nearly all the cup winners post lockout II, you will notice that they have been anchored by elite centers, or high production from their top two centers. Many had a combination of size and high end skill down the middle.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

because our captain wants way too much $.. simple

I meant bringing in anyone significant lol.. I'm sure Cally will be traded.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Why would the Hurricanes move Eric when they want to acquire all the Staal brothers?

 

[AHB*]

It seems the arguments I read here and many other places are "he's 38 years old".. and I have already stated it would depend on what prospect or what round pick we would have to add to get him.

Maybe because no one is going to argue that he's not a great player, becuase, he is. Thing is, 38 year olds tend to begin slowing down and quite rapidly.

I think what people are arguing is that it's much smarter to go with younger assets, whether picks or prospects, then going with a guy who is lucky if he gives 4 more years of high end play.

I'm sure the same people, as you said about us, advocating for MSL, were also advocating for Drury, Redden, Gomez, Richards, Holik, Lindros, Bure, Messier (Round 2), Theo Fleury, Kovalev (Round 3), etc, etc, etc.

All who basically got here and either A) severely underperformed (which I'm more so willing to give a pass) or B) were on their last legs and had to either retire or dwindle in front of our eyes, painfully, which is the majority.

 

[NernieBichols]

I dont know whats funnier... thinking Callahan will become an iron man.. or scoring 30 goals.

I know what he is saying though. More that it is Rangers fans luck for that to happen. That Callahan leaves and continues to epitomize everything we love about him, while becoming an iron-man who very consistently nets 30 goals. If by not blocking as many shots as he has up until this point (and that is predominantly how he gets injured), he can stay healthy in the future, its not crazy to say the bold happens.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

[KJ's laughing post in reference to my caveat about "assuming he does a good job" that was subsequently deleted.]

Like I said, follow the 90s Yankees model: get the young C, SS, CF and LH SP locked in and then you can start to add Darryl Strawberrys and Roger Clemenses and Reuben Sierras.

BUT, if you **** up and wind up with Preston Wilson or Michael Tucker instead of Derek Jeter, you need to go back to the drawing board and start over again.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

BTW, we have a trade!

mirtle 5:02pm via TweetDeck
Blackhawks trade Brad Winchester to Minnesota for Brian Connelly.

-Mirtle

 

[NernieBichols]

Sather. Rinse. Repeat.

hahahahaha well done

 

[Mikos87]

Why would the Hurricanes move Eric when they want to acquire all the Staal brothers?

Look at how many playoff games E. Staal has lead them to after he got off his rookie deal 8 years ago.

Half their cap is dedicated to 5 guys, and all but one are underperforming... Some real badly... Look at how they have to construct their defense and bottom six and tell me that is a sustainable formula for winning.

The guys they re-sign all get comfortable over there like the early 2000's Rangers.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Look at how many playoff games E. Staal has lead them to after he got off his rookie deal 8 years ago.

Half their cap is dedicated to 5 guys, and all but one are underperforming... Some real badly... Look at how they have to construct their defense and bottom six and tell me that is a sustainable formula for winning.

The guys they re-sign all get comfortable over there like the early 2000's Rangers.

I didn't say it was a formula for winning, but it seems they want all the Staals together.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 1m
Mckenzie "my understanding is that St.Louis asked for a trade, still wants a trade and is willing to only go to the Rangers"

Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 1m
McKenzie "Yzerman does not feel obliged by the deadline. This could drag into the summer"

Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 1m
McKenzie "If your asking me whether this St.Louis - Canada thing is beating Yzerman up emotionally I'd say absolutely"

https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Rick Nash all over again...

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 1m
Mckenzie "my understanding is that St.Louis asked for a trade, still wants a trade and is willing to only go to the Rangers"

Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 1m
McKenzie "Yzerman does not feel obliged by the deadline. This could drag into the summer"

I'm liking this.

Love when valuable players with NMCs force their way to us.

Hopefully we can pick him up by the deadline without making too much of a dent in our roster. If we move essentially Callahan and picks for MSL, this team turns into an instant contender, IMO. I'd be extremely confident going up against the Boston's/Pittsburgh's.