Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIII: Getcha' pitchforks ready.

[Hitch16]

It's not like you are getting a 38 year old player inked for 5Y.

Greg - right. It's a short term commitment for someone who is still a productive player.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Flyer's sneak into the 8th seed, beating the Rangers in a shoot out in the final game of the regular season.

40 y/o goalie.

Don't even bother having them move past the 1st rou..... oh wait they went to the SCF.

My apologies. I forgot sporting outcomes are always decided.

So, again, just to be clear - you are confirming yourself as an "anything can happen!" guy.



Oh, and last time I checked, "going to the SCF" does not get you the Stanley Cup.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

trading a pick with Callahan for St Louis is definitely not a bad move. People are so concerned with getting prospects and picks that they think thats always the right move to make. That works, if the Rangers could draft worth a damn, but they can't.. adding ST Louis to this team makes them a better team for at least 2 years possibly more if they keep him he's showing no signs of slowing down.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

He'll be 39 in June. My problem with St. Louis as the return isn't in terms of value. St. Louis is a great player. My concern is that he has 1 year after this left on his contract and he will be 40 years old. Everyone is assuming he will continue playing after that and will still be just as productive, but how likely is that?

I'm not interested in trading Callahan for a soon to be 39 year old player, no matter how good that player is. We traded a 23 year old Del Zotto for a 29 year old Klein. I want to get younger, cheaper assets back in any deal for Callahan.

And this assumes that would could even get St. Louis for Callahan 1 for 1. More than likely we would have to add at least 1 significant asset.

MSL would help with a playoff run this year.
MSL is signed at 5.8 mill next year, cheaper than what Cally is looking for.
After that MSL can retire, or sign a 1-2 year deal at a lower cap hit than 5.8 mill.
He will mentor our younger players coming up.
He will fit perfectly into our coach's system.
He is still rock solid offensively.
He's a work out freak, just like Jagr, who is still ****ing awesome at the age of 42.

So... what's your point? All positives. Gives us flexibility moving forward while getting a superiorly skilled player.

 

[GregSirico]

Trading a pick along with Callahan to Tampa for St Louis would be the absolute definition of Sather insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I don't think so. I think you have to look at it like this ... There is a price tag for Callahan (that the Rangers are willing and IMHO should pay) for his production and services, he has every right to explore other options and either seek the best deal or go where he wants. Obviously from all the talks ... he is looking for that big pay day and I can't nor will I be mad him for doing this (every play has that right.) HOWEVER, as a GM you have to stack your team with talent and the right chemistry to win (be it for a few year window OR to rebuild - depending on the situation - obviously this team is a WIN NOW team) ... so Slats is thinking ... Cally is leaving, he has a lot of trade value, why let him walk when I can get SOMETHING for him ... especially an impact player. If this was say a young controllable asset for MSL I would be highly against it ... but everything is scenario based in sports.

 

[Mikos87]

If the Canucks are listening to offer for Edler maybe we should look into that. Would of course requier McD to move over to the right side...

...But Edler was spectacular for Sweden in the OGs. He is just so comfortable in a man-man defense and he is also very solid with the puck. 6 years and 5m per is very good for him when he is playing like that, we also have to remember that we will be in this situation with Marc Staal too in 12 months.

Ryan Callahan and John Moore for Edler and Kassian?

I think Cally will get a big return. I'm more inclined to do a Moore package for Edler, and would prefer Van pick up 400k-700k for a player that doesn't fit their team anymore.

Edler has been awful, no excuse for his +/- to be that bad compared to other defensemen. Torts really like Edler in pre-season, saying how surprised he was at how good Edler is.

Then he realized Edler doesn't do the things needed for a zone defense (block shots, play hard on the boards) and has been chewing him out ever since.

Something around Boyle and JMoore for Edler is something I can see happening if Vancouver wants to make a playoff push. Torts will want a pair of JMoore and Tanev. Those are his type of defensemen.

 

[NernieBichols]

So, again, just to be clear - you are confirming yourself as an "anything can happen!" guy.



Oh, and last time I checked, "going to the SCF" does not get you the Stanley Cup.

Im confirming myself as one

 

[Dagoon44]

Ok here is my take on the boomer rumor
Callahan is the Rangers heart and soul he makes this team go when healthy .. The problem is he isn't healthy enough. Trading him for MSL. Is a disaster in my opinion .. Marty is 38 and would walk right in and become the best scorer on the team for this season and maybe next while Callahan will instantly become a iron man and not miss a game for five season and score 30-35 goals a year.. If you think Sather needs to add Haglin to the deal please let me know where you live so I can sell you some nice ocean front property cheap.. Stay away from MSL. How about lucic for cally and Danny boy ?

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

So, again, just to be clear - you are confirming yourself as an "anything can happen!" guy.



Oh, and last time I checked, "going to the SCF" does not get you the Stanley Cup.

I'm not an anything can happen guy.

I am optimistic. And there is definitely reason to be optimistic.

Sorry you can't see it. Optimism is exciting.

 

[GregSirico]

Greg - right. It's a short term commitment for someone who is still a productive player.

Agreed. Don' get me wrong I will be VERY upset losing Cally ... he's everything you want in player ... but if he is insistent on leaving for the big bucks ... this is a move YOU MUST make ... and if you can acquire MSL ... you do it everyday and twice on Sunday.

 

[Todd Harvey]

He's 38 and we'll never win anything with that attitude.

He's the absolute best return we could wish for in a trade for Callahan

Classic response LOL. As far as him being the best return for Cally, that's the remarkable part considering not only Cally being UFA, but apparently an unbending one, as his agent has talked to several teams and apparently all those talks have broken off. So he's a terrific player anyone would love to add at playoff time, but a pure rental & what contender has a high-quality player to give up this time of year?
Because the Rangers do not want prospects/picks? Very very few...

and that's where, forget the age & size and even contracts for a minute;
if you look at everyone (that we know of) available in this market
MSL is either arguably or easily the best player, including Vanek & Callahan.

I'd probably prefer Vanek, but we wont get him from Isles.
And so this MSL situation may have saved the Rangers from taking a lesser return - and maybe a significantly lesser return; again, in a short window. People can debate the +/- of a guy like Stewart over the longer run.

Point is, knowing we were apparently close to nabbing MSL in a deal last year, and knowing SY snubbed MSL in 2010 and possibly would again, one wonders LOL; just how much of this has been orchestrated? Cause its pretty darn convenient.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Ok here is my take on the boomer rumor
Callahan is the Rangers heart and soul he makes this team go when healthy .. The problem is he isn't healthy enough. Trading him for MSL. Is a disaster in my opinion .. Marty is 38 and would walk right in and become the best scorer on the team for this season and maybe next while Callahan will instantly become a iron man and not miss a game for five season and score 30-35 goals a year.. If you think Sather needs to add Haglin to the deal please let me know where you live so I can sell you some nice ocean front property cheap.. Stay away from MSL. How about lucic for cally and Danny boy ?

I dont know whats funnier... thinking Callahan will become an iron man.. or scoring 30 goals.

 

[Ail]

Everyone knows by now I am not keen on anything can happen and the win now mentality, but you have to admit if the only roster player you give up is Ryan Callahan and you get MSL playing ridiculous hockey, you have a much better shot at making some waves in the post season than you did a month ago.

I'm not saying trade Callahan, a 1st, and the best prospect still in Hartford, but if you can get MSL for Callahan and marginal assets, I think that's worth a shot. Not to mention he'll be around next year as well.

 

[Mikos87]

When the Rangers made the ECF during the 2011/12 season, Lundqvist's GAA was 1.82!.. That means if the Rangers had any kind of offense that season, they could actually have won the SC that season.. This year the Rangers have a better offense, a good defense, and still the best goalie in the world.

If you add Martin St Louis to the offense they have right now, there is absolutely a chance the Rangers could go on a run having the best goalie in the world playing for them, because they could score goals.

MSL will bump the team's GPG by .5 if he replaces Cally. That is enough of a margin over four playoff series for Hank. It is very rare that Hank gives up 4 goals. If the Rangers score 3, they are likely to win a game or grab a point in the regular season. In the playoffs that is pretty much a win with Hank.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

So the Rangers right now are looking like a good team (cup contender? no.. but a good team who can make a run nonetheless, you subtract Callahan and add MSL.. and your team suddenly looks like this.

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Richards-MSL
Pouilot-Brass-Zucc
Boyle-Moore-Carcillo.

any of those lines can score.. and then combine that with Mcdonagh/Girardi, Staal/Stralman, Moore/Klein and Henrik Lundqvist to say this team won't even be a CONTENDER adding MSL is very foolish IMO.. a favorite? no.. but a contender? absolutely.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

MSL would help with a playoff run this year.

Meaningless unless you win a cup.

MSL is signed at 5.8 mill next year, cheaper than what Cally is looking for.

This is only relevant to the "keep Cally" argument.

After that MSL can retire, or sign a 1-2 year deal at a lower cap hit than 5.8 mill.

Exactly, we will have blown a chance to flip Cally for longterm help and wound up with nothing to show for it.

He will mentor our younger players coming up.

Oh, *********. Now you're making stuff up. How many leaders does this team need?

He will fit perfectly into our coach's system.

Our coach has somehow figured out how field forward lines composed entirely of RWs?

He is still rock solid offensively.

Absolutely, completely agreed.

He's a work out freak, just like Jagr, who is still ****ing awesome at the age of 42.

You CLEARLY didn't watch Jags in last year's playoffs.

So... what's your point? All positives. Gives us flexibility moving forward while getting a superiorly skilled player.

Interesting translation of what should actually read "gives us a marginally better chance of advancing in this, and maybe next, year's playoffs and then goes away for nothing, at the expense of potentially acquiring assets that could benefit the team longterm."

 

[RGY]

Any news?

 

[Mikos87]

Classic response LOL. As far as him being the best return for Cally, that's the remarkable part considering not only Cally being UFA, but apparently an unbending one, as his agent has talked to several teams and apparently all those talks have broken off.

That's because Buffalo told him the contract they would offer him as UFA, but would not trade for him. 7 years $47M.

Rangers should have only let his agent talk to teams that were going to trade for him. The league knows what he will get. If Cally isn't going to take a discount for NY, he isn't going to take one for anyone else.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Meaningless unless you win a cup.

This is only relevant to the "keep Cally" argument.

Exactly, we will have blown a chance to flip Cally for longterm help and wound up with nothing to show for it.

Oh, *********. Now you're making stuff up. How many leaders does this team need?

Our coach has somehow figured out how field forward lines composed entirely of RWs?

Absolutely, completely agreed.

You CLEARLY didn't watch Jags in last year's playoffs.



Interesting translation of what should actually read "gives us a marginally better chance of advancing in this, and maybe next, year's playoffs and then goes away for nothing, at the expense of potentially acquiring assets that could benefit the team longterm."

And please enlighten me which long term pieces are out there that are better than MSL?

 

[E-Train]

Ok here is my take on the boomer rumor
Callahan is the Rangers heart and soul he makes this team go when healthy .. The problem is he isn't healthy enough. Trading him for MSL. Is a disaster in my opinion .. Marty is 38 and would walk right in and become the best scorer on the team for this season and maybe next while Callahan will instantly become a iron man and not miss a game for five season and score 30-35 goals a year.. If you think Sather needs to add Haglin to the deal please let me know where you live so I can sell you some nice ocean front property cheap.. Stay away from MSL. How about lucic for cally and Danny boy ?

Are there other deals you're hearing? Potential other destinations for Callahan, Girardi discussions?

 

[Mikos87]

So the Rangers right now are looking like a good team (cup contender? no.. but a good team who can make a run nonetheless, you subtract Callahan and add MSL.. and your team suddenly looks like this.

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Richards-MSL
Pouilot-Brass-Zucc
Boyle-Moore-Carcillo.

any of those lines can score.. and then combine that with Mcdonagh/Girardi, Staal/Stralman, Moore/Klein and Henrik Lundqvist to say this team won't even be a CONTENDER adding MSL is very foolish IMO.. a favorite? no.. but a contender? absolutely.

Easily the 3rd best team in the east. Considering who is in net for Pitts, one can argue the East will run through Boston alone this year.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Everyone knows by now I am not keen on anything can happen and the win now mentality, but you have to admit if the only roster player you give up is Ryan Callahan and you get MSL playing ridiculous hockey, you have a much better shot at making some waves in the post season than you did a month ago.

I'm not saying trade Callahan, a 1st, and the best prospect still in Hartford, but if you can get MSL for Callahan and marginal assets, I think that's worth a shot. Not to mention he'll be around next year as well.

Opportunity cost.

If Cally can get you more building blocks that are either, or (far more likely) can be used in separate transactions to acquire, what the team truly needs - a 1C and an offensive defenseman - then he should be used for that purpose instead.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Any news?

BRF and I have began our weekly optimism vs. "realism" argument.

Some arguments on semantics on earlier pages.

Some random rumblings on twitter.

Man Utd. lost to Olympiacos yesterday 2-0.

Other things.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If I can trade Callahan for the 29 year old Stewart who can help more than one year (pretty much another Callahan) or the 38 St Louis.. I"m taking St Louis regardless of age.

 

[Mikos87]

BTW MSL is on a 35+ contract. I fully expect him to play next year if he's in NY, but he could give a major middle finger to Stevie Y by retiring after the season to be closer to is family and cripple their cap next year.

Looks like Stevie screwed up in a bad way by choosing the injured player in Stamkos over the guy that's been the heart and soul of his organization.