Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXII: St Louis vs St Louis
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HatTrick Swayze
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So just because he's a PPG player at 38, he should easily be able to maintain that pace for 2-4 more years?
I get that he is a workout freak and a special talent. But there is absolutely a risk that he hits a wall...otherwise why stop there? He's producing now...why not 5-10 more years?!
I get that he is a workout freak and a special talent. But there is absolutely a risk that he hits a wall...otherwise why stop there? He's producing now...why not 5-10 more years?!
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Thirty One
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Ardi44
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a short term MSL is better than what they are going to get if a.) they let callahan sign somewhere else or b.) they trade him for a project (stewart) or some b/c level prospect that might not pan out.
HatTrick Swayze
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Because you are trading one of the most valuable assets the Rangers have traded in decades for a player who may not even be a factor 3 years from now. If swapping Callahan for St Louis doesn't get you into the Chicago, St Louis, Anaheim, Pittsburgh, even Boston/San Jose tier...how is that the right move?
Inferno
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MSL is a freak, but it doesnt mean he will continue to surpass his size and age forever.
eventually he will break down. at 28 he'd be a great pickup. at 38, it's a year by year thing.
id rather trade for prospects myself.
eventually he will break down. at 28 he'd be a great pickup. at 38, it's a year by year thing.
id rather trade for prospects myself.
HatTrick Swayze
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I would say it's even bigger with Callahan. I am not in any way in favor of signing Callahan.
NYR Viper
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well i hope they keep the 1st round pick but without a 1st round pick, their is no way for Sather and Co to pick another Jessiman Beach type 1st round bust. so their is two ways to look at this
Ardi44
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because if the team is resigned to losing Callahan shouldn't they at least try to win with what they have now? At this point, why not trade every free agent to be that they have then? Why did they resign lundqvist? Trading callahan for a chris stewart type prospect or a contender's 1st pick doesnt help the team. In my option, at least. MSL helps them this year and next year. At the very worst, his contract comes off the books in 2015 and gives the roster spot up to someone waiting in the wings.
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3 years is a long time. Hagelin has two more seasons before he hits UFA status. I'm not sure what qualifies as a long-term asset, or even if it is desirable in most cases.
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Until we hear otherwise, im assuming those are their options....If St Louis throws in a top prospect, then fine. If you can get an NHL ready player/prospect, than fine. But, i haven't heard that anywhere yet. Just going by whats been reported so far.
I would argue that MSL just might give us a chance to play with Pittsburgh and Boston. I am not saying better but would give us hope. As for the Western conference I dont care because we would only see them in the finals and a lot of different factors come into play then just talent by the time you get there.
Not sure how anyone can argue against a Callahan for St. Louis 1 for 1 swap.
Personally, I choose to believe that Steve Yzerman isn't stupid. And that while Boomer probably had some inside information on the two teams talking about it, he took some liberties with the information to create the illusion that it is very close to finalized.
Personally, I choose to believe that Steve Yzerman isn't stupid. And that while Boomer probably had some inside information on the two teams talking about it, he took some liberties with the information to create the illusion that it is very close to finalized.
Problem is you're likely to get crappy prospects. B level at best, who *might* one day be as good as Callahan but likely not.
Other problem is if that's what you're likely to get in terms of prospects for Callahan, why the hell would Tampa trade St Louis for him
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Is he really that valuable? He's a UFA in a few months and his demands are public and pretty unreasonable. I can't imagine a team that thinks a rental Callahan will put them over the top is also going to pay him what he wants for the amount of years he wants.
If there's a deal out there that brings back serious future assets, I'm sure most people would be open to it. But so far, all we've heard rumored is Stewart and a pick, and now St Louis with some conditional pick involved either way. Of those options, St Louis is infinitely better in my opinion.
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HatTrick Swayze
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I think they should identify that they need to move Callahan, because unlike Lundqvist and some other free agents he carries significant risk of breaking down, plays the 2nd deepest position in the org, and is asking for more than the Rangers should be allocating. It sounds like that has happened.
It is my opinion that MSL for Cally does not vault them into the tier of teams I listed above. I would rather get assets that have a 5-10% chance of vaulting the Rangers into that tier for the next 10 years then see them chase waning production and short term fixes per usual.
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Thumpz
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As much as I absolutely love MSL ( I live in Florida and catch at least 10-15 lightning games a year) I don't really like it, even if it's a one for one swap with Callahan. He's got a NMC, and the only way we get him is if he waives only for us. What happens next year when his contract is up and he won't waive at the deadline? We lose an asset for one and a half seasons and two playoffs of MSL and if we don't win a cup in that timeframe we've lost out on Callahan's value as opposed to picking up a prospect and cap space. Maybe we resign MSL after his contract, and he puts up a ppg into his early forties, but it's not something I bet on, and unless he signs one year deals, we're stuck with an over 35 contract if something happens and he falls off or retires.
Ghost of jas
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It can't be this year's #1 if it's a conditional pick, since the draft takes place before free agency starts. It would have to be a pick in next year's draft.
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