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Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXII: St Louis vs St Louis

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aufheben said:
The condition being we keep our 1st/2nd if he re-signs with the Lightning. I don't care what Boomer said, Cally for MSL straight up is a pipe dream. UFA 2nd liner for the reigning Art Ross winner? lolok.
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There was a team that was given permission to discuss an extension. If that team was TB and they agreed upon it and MSL has requested a trade? Obviously lots of "if's" but it wouldn't be that far-fetched
 
NYR Viper said:
Why? If Callahan re-signs that means TB really likes the player and wants him around long-term. 7 year commitment most likely. 7 years of a player they really like for 1.25 years of St Louis guaranteed. 38 years old.
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There will be conditionals on both ends if it goes down
 
Vidic15 said:
Ball is in MSL's court. He has the NMC.
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Yep and his wife is from Greenwhich and they have a house there.

Rust Heisenberg said:
Don't do that. Don't devalue our players just to prove a point.

Captain of our team vs. Captain of their team.

One is better offensively. The other is better defensively.

Their roles are different but they're both very effective in them.

1 unhappy captain vs. 1 ungrateful one.

38 yr old vs 28 yr old.

It can be spun many different ways. Doesn't mean the trade isn't fair.
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How is saying Callahan is a 2nd liner devaluing him? You're insane if you think Callahan is worth MSL and a conditional pick. It's the other way around.
 
aufheben said:
What? Why? Straight up it's already heavily in our favor, then Tampa is going to add?

What?..
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How is it heavily in our favor straight up? Tampa is getting a guy who should be able to play for 5+ more years. We're getting a guy who might be able to play 3. Sure, we're getting the better player, but when term is factored in it's a much more even deal.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Giving Callahan a 3 year deal was a garbage move, which has only been compounded by acquiring more players with contracts running out this summer.

A 5 or 6 year deal at the age of 26 would have taken Callahan to a point where a better decision could have been made about how much more he has left.
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I understand this sentiment, but deals only get done when both sides agree to them.

Why would Callahan have signed a 5/6 year deal at that point unless he was getting 5+m, which would have been seen as a poor deal?

Going off a career high PPG season, already an A (I'd imagine he knew he was going to be the C the next year) and already a USA player, why wouldn't he set himself up for the big pay day in his career?

What would be benefit more from, that additional 14-15 million from ages 28-31 from the Rangers, then likely a drop in AAV after that point, or trying to get a retirement contract at 29?

He (and his agent) saw the deals guys like Drury got, he's not an idiot.
 
I'm not spinning any facts. What does it matter to Tampa how old Callahan is if he just signs with Buffalo in the offseason? We'd get a year and a half plus 2 playoff runs with one of the most dynamic forwards in the world.
 
aufheben said:
What? Why? Straight up it's already heavily in our favor, then Tampa is going to add?

What?..
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Straight up it is heavily in our favor.

But then if you step back and realize that this is a similar situation to Tim Erixon's, where he single handedly forced his way out, you can see how it is possible.

Now, if Callahan resigns? Is it still fair to be trading 6.5-7.5 years of our captain for 1.5 of theirs?

No. Conditional 3rd, let's say, from them. Conditional 5th. Who even knows what pick we'll get, the point is, i'm sure there will be something for the extension thrown our way just because of how lopsided it will be if that extension does happen.
 
aufheben said:
What? Why? Straight up it's already heavily in our favor, then Tampa is going to add?

What?..
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Right now? Sure. St Louis is the better player. 7 years of Callahan vs 1.25 years of St Louis. Now what?

What about that fact that St Louis is 38 and Callahan is 28? If Yzerman has decided Callahan is the player he wants to bring in, which wouldn't be surprising considering MSL's age as compared to the rest of his roster and the fact that he just signed Filpulla to help solidify a 2nd line behind Stamkos, I'm not sure I agree.

Yzerman may not see Callahan's contract request as overpayment or if he does, he is obviously willing to meet those demands. He feels the player will be worth a 7 year contract.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Thats wonderful.

St. Louis requesting a trade and then Tampa making an awful trade to satisfy his demands is beyond a huge leap.
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Iginla last year. It happens when your dealing with a player of this stature with a NMC at the end of his career. It wouldn't be the first time nor the last.


The rangers and MSG have been flirty with MSL forever. There has been rumors for as long as St. Louis has been playing about the rangers looking into acquiring him. The rangers are a first-class organization for players and families. There are so many reasons why this is realistic.
 
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broadwayblue said:
how is it heavily in our favor straight up? Tampa is getting a guy who should be able to play for 5+ more years. We're getting a guy who might be able to play 3. Sure, we're getting the better player, but when term is factored in it's a much more even deal.
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He's a UFA

It is ludicrously bad for Tampa. To say we're getting the better player is the understatement of the century.
 
Kreider said:
What's embarrassing there?

St. Louis "long-term" for Callahan long term

or

St. Louis "long-term" for Callahan as a rental and a 1st
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Embarrassing that you're throwing around 1st round picks for no reason.
 
-31- said:
Rangers could give Anaheim a signing window. Girardi's demands are reportedly pretty reasonable.
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They're reportedly pretty reasonable for the Rangers. What is more likely IMO if the Rangers don't sign him and then trade him is he waits until July and cashes in.
 
I still don't know how anyone could have evaluated Callahan's play in the Olympics and thought that was a guy that should be getting 7+ years, let alone 6+m, unless you thought he was going to play with Brown and Backes every night.
 
-31- said:
What if that 38 year old had 648 points in his last 593 games and has missed 7 games in the past 11 seasons?
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I'm not sure what past performance has to do with it. He's not going to play forever...the guy will be 39 years old in a few months.
 
eco's bones said:
They're reportedly pretty reasonable for the Rangers. What is more likely IMO if the Rangers don't sign him and then trade him is he waits until July and cashes in.
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I think Sather caves on Girardi. 6 years, 5.75 or whatever he's asking for.
 
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