Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXII: St Louis vs St Louis

[Blue Blooded]

The resistance to a potential Callahan for St. Louis trade is staggering, I guess the "dark years" of ~99-2004 have left deep wounds in the fanbase.

St. Louis is a significantly better player than Callahan, and will likely continue to be so in the near future. In fact - I wouldn't be surprised if St. Louis continued to be a better player than Callahan until he retires.

We have a very solid core and some intriguing prospects, although our pool may not be as deep as one would want. But OTOH - thanks to the quality depth on the main roster, we don't have many spots for young guys to seize anyway.

This board has been whining and moaning that we don't have gamebreaking talent. If we trade for St. Louis we will have 4 elite players on the team, which is more than basically any team in the league bar Chicago. Add our fantastic depth on top of that and I don't see how we aren't a top-3 team in the league over the next few seasons.

IF we trade for St. Louis he will be a Ranger until he retires, as the reason for the trade is likely that he wants to play near his family - that insinuates short contracts and a hometown discount after this deal is up. I wouldn't be surprised if he had at least 3 more seasons in him after this year.

Re: Girardi for Vatanen, that would be amazing. Imagine the two trades going through, this would be our lineup (when Zucc gets healthy):

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Richards-St. Louis
Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

McDonagh-Strålman
Staal-Vatanen
Moore-Klein

Lundqvist
Talbot

That's a perennial contender if we can keep it together (Miller will replace Richards going forward, Fast might force Pouliot out and shift Nash/Zucc to LW). Vatanen will hopefully eventually supplant Strålman on the top pairing - either in 2014-15, or in 2015-16.

 

[DudMan28]

No way this was Boomer. He'd sever so many bridges.

I know. Just trying to ligthen the mood a bit while dissing Carton at the same time.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

You're perpetually pissed off about something.

No matter the outcome there would be a black lining to it.

I have every right to be considering Sather's tenure.

The majority of this board gets so giddy when its roster turnover time for the NY Rangers which, if you havent noticed, is quite often.

For me, all its symbolizes is more failure, more throwing **** at the wall to see if it sticks in a futile effort to "win now." How much longer is the "win now" mentality viable when they haven't won anything in a generation?

 

[Trxjw]

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/ana140224.html

Vatanen would be fantastic for this team, but I just don't see the Ducks making that deal for Girardi as a rental. Also, as much as I like his upside, he would be a downgrade from Girardi. It also means that Stralman would likely have to step up and play top-pairing minutes, which I'm not confident he can do.

Additionally, it would be very odd for the Rangers to move Callahan in a "win now" deal, and then turn around and trade Girardi in a deal that hinges on future upside.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

The resistance to a potential Callahan for St. Louis trade is staggering, I guess the "dark years" of ~99-2004 have left deep wounds in the fanbase.

St. Louis is a significantly better player than Callahan, and will likely continue to be so in the near future. In fact - I wouldn't be surprised if St. Louis continued to be a better player than Callahan until he retires.

We have a very solid core and some intriguing prospects, although our pool may not be as deep as one would want. But OTOH - thanks to the quality depth on the main roster, we don't have many spots for young guys to seize anyway.

This board has been whining and moaning that we don't have gamebreaking talent. If we trade for St. Louis we will have 4 elite players on the team, which is more than basically any team in the league bar Chicago. Add our fantastic depth on top of that and I don't see how we aren't a top-3 team in the league over the next few seasons.

IF we trade for St. Louis he will be a Ranger until he retires, as the reason for the trade is likely that he wants to play near his family - that insinuates short contracts and a hometown discount after this deal is up. I wouldn't be surprised if he had at least 3 more seasons in him after this year.

I find it hard to believe that many people would disagree with you here. Maybe 2% wouldn't want MSL in a Ranger jersey right now and I feel I'm being generous.

 

[Thirty One]

And his sources are better than Boomer's?

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it's the same source. But I'm sure he's more likely to be conservative than Boomer, who it appears was trying to drive traffic to his Monday morning radio show.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

This is so ridiculous for a team that's 2nd in their division now. Talk about drama.

And Theyre only 6 points out from being 5 spots behind the wild card with two games up on Carolina.

Come on. Did you just start following this franchise? They've opened the playoffs with home ice once in the last 18 years.

 

[Tawnos]

Additionally, it would be very odd for the Rangers to move Callahan in a "win now" deal, and then turn around and trade Girardi in a deal that hinges on future upside.

Maybe... or maybe we could look at it as "these are the best deals that could be made, all factors considered."

 

[Thirty One]

Vatanen would be fantastic for this team, but I just don't see the Ducks making that deal for Girardi as a rental. Also, as much as I like his upside, he would be a downgrade from Girardi. It also means that Stralman would likely have to step up and play top-pairing minutes, which I'm not confident he can do.

Additionally, it would be very odd for the Rangers to move Callahan in a "win now" deal, and then turn around and trade Girardi in a deal that hinges on future upside.

Rangers could give Anaheim a signing window. Girardi's demands are reportedly pretty reasonable.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I have every right to be considering Sather's tenure.

The majority of this board gets so giddy when its roster turnover time for the NY Rangers which, if you havent noticed, is quite often.

For me, all its symbolizes is more failure, more throwing **** at the wall to see if it sticks in a futile effort to "win now"

I hate roster turnover. It's a very disruptive factor to any team's success.

But MSL for Cally isn't bad value at all.

Cally for Stewart + Edm 2nd is fair value but Cally for a perennial all star with captain ability isn't?

Do I think picks and prospects would be better for the franchise moving forward? In a perfect world, yes.

But if that's not the package they get, I won't blast it just for that reason.

 

[nyrpassion]

I know. Just trying to ligthen the mood a bit while dissing Carton at the same time.

haha, haven't listened to that show in a goog minute. literally just listened to the trade talk part, then turned it off.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I hate roster turnover. It's a very disruptive factor to any team's success.

But MSL for Cally isn't bad value at all.

Cally for Stewart + Edm 2nd is fair value but Cally for a perennial all star with captain ability isn't?

Do I think picks and prospects would be better for the franchise moving forward? In a perfect world, yes.

But if that's not the package they get, I won't blast it just for that reason.

The 1 for 1 Callahan for St. Louis is a pipe dream. Its coming from a radio host who twisted information to get some more listeners. I cant think of any conceivable scenario where Tampa would agree to it.

 

[Trxjw]

Maybe... or maybe we could look at it as "these are the best deals that could be made, all factors considered."

Fair enough. I guess I just see it as poor planning.

Rangers could give Anaheim a signing window. Girardi's demands are reportedly pretty reasonable.

They're a budget team with a lot of spots to fill next season. Can they afford a $5.75M defender on their roster?

 

[aufheben]

The resistance to St. Louis comes from the common sense notion that it would have to be more than Callahan going the other way. We wanted young assets and draft picks for Callahan, now all the sudden we're sending assets out with Callahan. I don't think anyone is against a 1-for-1, but that just is so bad for Tampa....

 

[Ail]

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it's the same source. But I'm sure he's more likely to be conservative than Boomer, who it appears was trying to drive traffic to his Monday morning radio show.

I think he legitimately just trusts his source so thoroughly that he is convinced it will happen even at the risk of looking bad. Why would you ruin your entire reputation for one, or even 5 shows? That makes about as much sense as trading MSL for Callahan.

 

[Thirty One]

They're a budget team with a lot of spots to fill next season. Can they afford a $5.75M defender on their roster?

Are they a budget team? They are right up against the cap.

If they can't afford $5.75 million for Girardi, spending $7 million combined on Souray and Allen is hilarious (yes, I understand that's a sunk cost).

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The amount of traffic driven to B&C this morning due to this rumor is peanuts in the grand scheme of their program. It was what a 15 min segment?

I'm not saying it wasn't a side benefit but the B&C show is big enough that I doubt Boomer would put his rep on the line for that marginal bump on one day's show.

 

[Ail]

The 1 for 1 Callahan for St. Louis is a pipe dream. Its coming from a radio host who twisted information to get some more listeners. I cant think of any conceivable scenario where Tampa would agree to it.

Ask yourself why he does that to himself willingly? He truely believes this is going to happen. Even if it means looking ridiculous. The "ratings" argument makes zero sense.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Are they a budget team? They are right up against the cap.

If they can't afford $5.75 million for Girardi, spending $7 million combined on Souray and Allen is hilarious (yes, I understand that's a sunk cost).

I don't think Anaheim will have too much trouble finding a taker for Allen if they had to (even though they should have, Allen is terrible).

 

[Ail]

The amount of traffic driven to B&C this morning due to this rumor is peanuts in the grand scheme of their program. It was what a 15 min segment?

I'm not saying it wasn't a side benefit but the B&C show is big enough that I doubt Boomer would put his rep on the line for that marginal bump on one day's show.

Exactly. If he was a nobody everyone would agree it is for attention. It just doesn't add up in this case.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I think he legitimately just trusts his source so thoroughly that he is convinced it will happen even at the risk of looking bad. Why would you ruin your entire reputation for one, or even 5 shows? That makes about as much sense as trading MSL for Callahan.

And Boomer is not just a morning radio host looking for ratings. He also is part of the NFL Today pre and post game show on CBS, as well as the color analyst for the radio broadcasts of Monday Night Football for CBS radio. This isn't a shock jock we are talking about.

 

[NYR Viper]

Unless there is an extension already worked out it makes no sense for TB. However, if there is an extension worked out, I am hopeful there is more coming back. 1.25 seasons of MSL is not worth 7 seasons of Callahan (assuming Yzerman is totally fine with the price Callahan is asking for).

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

The 1 for 1 Callahan for St. Louis is a pipe dream. Its coming from a radio host who twisted information to get some more listeners. I cant think of any conceivable scenario where Tampa would agree to it.

And if it happens? Let's not get into semantics.

I don't think he'd put his neck on the line for a ratings bump of one day. You do. Whatever.

Moving on. A 1 for 1 trade of that nature... you seem to be opposed to even that.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Ask yourself why he does that to himself willingly? He truely believes this is going to happen. Even if it means looking ridiculous. The "ratings" argument makes zero sense.

Vague twitter rumblings, then "tune into my radio show tomorrow where I will discuss further" -- this makes little sense in terms of a ratings argument? Ok.

We shall see what happens. My money is on Boomer taking his piece of information a bit further than intended.

 

[NYR Viper]

Are they a budget team? They are right up against the cap.

If they can't afford $5.75 million for Girardi, spending $7 million combined on Souray and Allen is hilarious (yes, I understand that's a sunk cost).

No, Anaheim is normally willing to spend. They have good turn out and good fans.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them in on Girardi esepcially with an extension. Plus they have a TON of cheap young talent on the way.