Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIV: Over the edge of being a little closer.

[haohmaru]

Paul Ranger intrigues me as low cost UFA. He hasn't reached the level he was at a few years ago but I'd take a gander on that guy. Nikitan? IDK.

Possibly move Staal as he has some value now and probably will command more than he's worth next off season.

Buyout Richards, as ****** as that is, too.

Sign MZA/Brass/Pou/Boyle/Carcillo/Kreider/D.Moore/J.Moore maybe Diaz as a 7th D.

Trade Dorsett. He'll be more $ than Carcillo and they bring a lot of the same stuff except Carcillo has better hands, extensive experience, and can bring it with the mitts. He's on the edge. So what? We've had worse.

Stralman will command more than we can afford. Sucks for us.

Can't see this team really improving next year. The loss of Richards will hurt more than you think - especially in the room and Stralman has evolved into a strong top 4 D guy who we also can't replace.

Hate that contracts were targeted retroactively (except in cases like Redden, where the guy couldn't play in the NHL because he was too costly) and hate the fact that you can't buyout the guy and resign him. I get it, but most labor agreements move forward instead of targeting backwards. NHL clubs shouldn't be forced to buyout players they don't want to because of cap penalties down the road from contracts that weren't negotiated under new labor agreements.

End rant. Post #5000.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I think we move J Moore this off season. Allen is as good if not better and skjei is only a year or two away. Moore hasn't developed at all since he's been he still a liability in the d zone and only good for his skating ability.... Eventually we have to pick 3 left handed d men out of: Mcdonagh, staal, Moore, Allen, skjei. I think moving staal would hurt short term but he has the best value besides Mcdonagh. Staal reminds me of Nash prior to us trading for him. Always considered a top 2 around the league but when u watch him he tends to be inconsistent leaves a lot to wish for

 

[LeetchisGod]

I think we move J Moore this off season. Allen is as good if not better and skjei is only a year or two away. Moore hasn't developed at all since he's been he still a liability in the d zone and only good for his skating ability.... Eventually we have to pick 3 left handed d men out of: Mcdonagh, staal, Moore, Allen, skjei. I think moving staal would hurt short term but he has the best value besides Mcdonagh. Staal reminds me of Nash prior to us trading for him. Always considered a top 2 around the league but when u watch him he tends to be inconsistent leaves a lot to wish for

Wouldn't mind this at all. Incredibly mediocre player. Should be an offensive defensemen but doesn't have the hockey iq for it. Not nearly good enough defensively to make up for it.

 

[NewLife]

If we can't get something really valuble back for Moore, like a 1st + solid prospect or in a package for a someone who can replace Richards without taking a step back it's no point in moving him imo. He's young, cheap and got a lot of potential to grow into. Can we get that?

As for Allen if he wins a spot he can just as well be on his off side.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

If we can't get something really valuble back for Moore, like a 1st + solid prospect or in a package for a someone who can replace Richards without taking a step back it's no point in moving him imo. He's young, cheap and got a lot of potential to grow into. Can we get that?

As for Allen if he wins a spot he can just as well be on his off side.

NOBODY is giving up a 1st and a prospect for John Moore..

 

[NewLife]

NOBODY is giving up a 1st and a prospect for John Moore..

Well don't trade him then unless it's a high pick and a player the management is high on. Moore is a young NHL player why give up on him for a prospect who's probably needs a couple of years just to get at his current level.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

I too am not for trading Hagelin. Though I was a bit nervous when I saw zero production from him through the regular season, I am seeing a huge step up in the playoffs. his speed is a force to be reckoned with especially in the tighter playoff games. He single handedly makes a ton of space for both himself and his linemates. He's also able to shake off defenders at the turn of a time, and is very free and in control on his skates.

I do, however, think John Moore needs to be resigned to a 2 way contract so that he can be sent to the minors.

As I said earlier, Stralman is going to go. His rights will be traded at the draft if Glen has no success in resigning him, which I am expecting, because he can get another $1M per year that we can't afford to give him.

As for Pouliot, he does alot of the little things right, yes... however his stats are mostly the product of Brass and Zucc, hands down... The reason they are is because he is the ONLY finisher on that line. It's up to him to slap a one timer, or rush down to get the dangled pass down the middle...

btdubs, the 68M cap is bad news.

Regardless of the contract John Moore signs, he would have to clear waivers in order to be sent down to the AHL--having two-way contract only means a player is paid a smaller salary in the minors. He's either on the roster next season, or he gets traded.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I'm for keeping John Moore at this point. He's a very solid bottom pairing D, and he still has some upside. Don't see any reason we should move him. He'll be cheap and cost effective.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

IMO Moore is of equal talent to Allen at this point and both will need more time to develop but I think Allen has improved more than Moore recently... Maybe this is just his max. U can play tht badly in ur own end in an NHL season and have zero improvement. To me Moore was better last yr compared to this year. Might just be selective memory but just wat I'm thinkin

 

[TheTakedown]

Wouldn't mind this at all. Incredibly mediocre player. Should be an offensive defensemen but doesn't have the hoc key iq for it. Not nearly good enough defensively to make up for it.

I've been saying how dumb this kid is ever since I saw his episode of beginnings ... The kid even talks like he's got a speech impediment. Seriously, a bag of rocks for a brain

 

[Nash Money]

Regardless of the contract John Moore signs, he would have to clear waivers in order to be sent down to the AHL--having two-way contract only means a player is paid a smaller salary in the minors. He's either on the roster next season, or he gets traded.

I blame the NHL video game series for this misconception.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I blame the NHL video game series for this misconception.

I think a lot of people think about it that way because of the NHL games.

 

[TheTakedown]

I blame the NHL video game series for this misconception.

I think a lot of people think about it that way because of the NHL games.

I apologize, I should have read the rules. I guess I just wrote that blindly.

 

[NikC]

I've been saying how dumb this kid is ever since I saw his episode of beginnings ... The kid even talks like he's got a speech impediment. Seriously, a bag of rocks for a brain

People with speech impediments are dumb, with rocks for brains?

That's a pretty thoughtless and ignorant statement...

 

[AHB*]

I've been saying how dumb this kid is ever since I saw his episode of beginnings ... The kid even talks like he's got a speech impediment. Seriously, a bag of rocks for a brain

That is so messed up dude. And I don't think he's a dumb hockey player at all (sans last game), he's just not an amazing player. We'll see what happens, Rangers have some good D-Men coming through the system who are going to need chances in the coming years; Skjei, McIlrath, Allen. I expect most of our guys to be here for the long haul; McD, Girardi, Staal, Klein.

I think Stralman will walk. With these playoffs he'll get 5 Mil AAV.

It will be interesting for sure. I'd like to give Allen a shot in Stralman's spot next season. I think he would be a nice complement to Staal.

 

[Cliffy1814]

Hagelin makes 2.25M, can score 15 goals a season, plays excellent defense, one of the best if not the best puck possession player on our team, and excells on the PK.. It's stupid to move him unless you are getting a CLEAR upgrade.

Hagelin should be a guy we are willing to listen to offers for though. Not because he's not a very good and valuable player (he is). It is just smart asset management to sell high and buy low and not the other way around.
Hagelin's perceived value right now is sky high and maybe there is a team willing to overpay based on your assessment above with the belief that maybe he can turn that 15 into a 25 someday.

That said, he fits AVs system perfectly and has really come up big this post season. It would take quite an offer to pry him away I would assume.

 

[TheTakedown]

That is so messed up dude. And I don't think he's a dumb hockey player at all (sans last game), he's just not an amazing player. We'll see what happens, Rangers have some good D-Men coming through the system who are going to need chances in the coming years; Skjei, McIlrath, Allen. I expect most of our guys to be here for the long haul; McD, Girardi, Staal, Klein.

I think Stralman will walk. With these playoffs he'll get 5 Mil AAV.

It will be interesting for sure. I'd like to give Allen a shot in Stralman's spot next season. I think he would be a nice complement to Staal.

I'm not trying to be ignorant... I just get a huge vibe from what I personally have observed on and off the ice that he's not the brightest bulb in the box.

Stralman is gone... I think $4.5 is the right number for him.

Allen or Diaz are more than adequate for replacing Stralman short term. Downside is that keeps John Moore on the 3rd pairing... though I am open to letting him develop until the age of 25 and then see where he is at. Not like he's a huge piece of trade bait

 

[AHB*]

I'm not trying to be ignorant... I just get a huge vibe from what I personally have observed on and off the ice that he's not the brightest bulb in the box.

Stralman is gone... I think $4.5 is the right number for him.

Allen or Diaz are more than adequate for replacing Stralman short term. Downside is that keeps John Moore on the 3rd pairing... though I am open to letting him develop until the age of 25 and then see where he is at. Not like he's a huge piece of trade bait

You said he's stupid because of a lisp, which is just plain ignorant.

 

[NikC]

You said he's stupid because of a lisp, which is just plain ignorant.

exactly. I can understand saying a hockey player doesn't have a great "hockey IQ"... that's one thing.

Declaring someone dumb and saying they have rocks for brains because they have a speech impediment...

This reveals more about the person who wrote the statement then anything else...

 

[TheTakedown]

You said he's stupid because of a lisp, which is just plain ignorant.

exactly. I can understand saying a hockey player doesn't have a great "hockey IQ"... that's one thing.

Declaring someone dumb and saying they have rocks for brains because they have a speech impediment...

This reveals more about the person who wrote the statement then anything else...

I'm merely stating that it is a reflection of how he is as a person. Not using a speech impediment to tear him down, and hell, maybe speech impediment was the wrong word to use... he just doesn't strike me as a bright person, which explains his serious lack of IQ on the ice... He also strikes me to be a slow thinker, which I think lends to his lack of IQ.

How many times have you watched him wheel the puck up the the opposing goal line, only to "center" the puck into 3 defenders?

 

[offdacrossbar]

That is so messed up dude. And I don't think he's a dumb hockey player at all (sans last game), he's just not an amazing player. We'll see what happens, Rangers have some good D-Men coming through the system who are going to need chances in the coming years; Skjei, McIlrath, Allen. I expect most of our guys to be here for the long haul; McD, Girardi, Staal, Klein.

I think Stralman will walk. With these playoffs he'll get 5 Mil AAV.

It will be interesting for sure. I'd like to give Allen a shot in Stralman's spot next season. I think he would be a nice complement to Staal.

stralman leaving seems like a lock. not a good move but hell get a nice deal.

leaves 2 spots open fora righty and lefty.

mcd girardi
staal -----
----- klein


conor allen is a good prospect. hes an offensive guy who seems to have a good feel for the game. defensively im not sure hes at the same level as even john moore yet but thats not to say he cant improve. hes got good hands though for sure and can play both sides.

top 4 minutes next fall is a reach for him imo. bigtime.

bodie is ahl bound next year so hes not in the mix.

skjei is gonna stay one more year at school and then look to make the team in fall 15 imo.

diaz has good offensive instincts and a good shot, and hes played major minutes in the past but i havent seen enough of his game to know if hes a regular top 6 guy or not.

mcilrath needs to continue to improve his skating and decision making and if he does, i think he will be given a spot whether he earns it or not since hes the golden child of this organization and his toughness is something that a (marginal) career can be made from.

i wouldnt give john moore away for free. i still think his upside is a 4/5 guy with great wheels and solid pp skills.

andersson if signed should come here and see if he can win a job as a true offensive dman/pp guy. i see him with stralman type skills but perhaps a better passer/shooter.

the opportunity is there for 2 guys to step up and take those 2 open spots. camp competition is good. should be fun.

 

[ecemleafs]

lol how is allen suddenly as good as john moore? john moore is probably younger than conor allen and moore is a full time NHLer and capable player to log 15 minutes in the playoffs. john moore should become a very solid mid pairing dman for a long time.

 

[offdacrossbar]

lol how is allen suddenly as good as john moore? john moore is probably younger than conor allen and moore is a full time NHLer and capable player to log 15 minutes in the playoffs. john moore should become a very solid mid pairing dman for a long time.

wait...... conor allen is wayyyyyyyy better bro.

and allen is 24 so you are correct. moore is 23.

john moore is the new whipping boy. the more invisible he is, the better he plays defensively.

sometimes i think im the only one who actually thinks hes a pretty decent player. great skating stride and a guy who seems more willing to push the puck every time he plays.

 

[TheTakedown]

wait...... conor allen is wayyyyyyyy better bro.

and allen is 24 so you are correct. moore is 23.

john moore is the new whipping boy. the more invisible he is, the better he plays defensively.

sometimes i think im the only one who actually thinks hes a pretty decent player. great skating stride and a guy who seems more willing to push the puck every time he plays.

You're not wrong. He is willing and able to move the puck... the problem is that is where the upside ends... he makes space and then does not use the space created to make scoring chances. Too often he makes that space and then throws the puck away.

 

[TheTakedown]

stralman leaving seems like a lock. not a good move but hell get a nice deal.

leaves 2 spots open fora righty and lefty.

mcd girardi
staal -----
----- klein


conor allen is a good prospect. hes an offensive guy who seems to have a good feel for the game. defensively im not sure hes at the same level as even john moore yet but thats not to say he cant improve. hes got good hands though for sure and can play both sides.

top 4 minutes next fall is a reach for him imo. bigtime.

bodie is ahl bound next year so hes not in the mix.

skjei is gonna stay one more year at school and then look to make the team in fall 15 imo.

diaz has good offensive instincts and a good shot, and hes played major minutes in the past but i havent seen enough of his game to know if hes a regular top 6 guy or not.

mcilrath needs to continue to improve his skating and decision making and if he does, i think he will be given a spot whether he earns it or not since hes the golden child of this organization and his toughness is something that a (marginal) career can be made from.

i wouldnt give john moore away for free. i still think his upside is a 4/5 guy with great wheels and solid pp skills.

andersson if signed should come here and see if he can win a job as a true offensive dman/pp guy. i see him with stralman type skills but perhaps a better passer/shooter.

the opportunity is there for 2 guys to step up and take those 2 open spots. camp competition is good. should be fun.

I see no reason why we can't slot Diaz in for Stralman and Keep Moore, especially in the short term.

Wow, would love to see Diaz, McDonough, and Moore on a single power play. Have McD watch the back end for defensive responsibilities, then have Moore or Diaz QB the PP...

Anyone think that would be feasible?