Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIV: Over the edge of being a little closer.

[aufheben]

I wouldn't be comfortable with it, but they're gonna have to make some tough decisions this offseason.

Stralman's a young, right-handed, 2nd pairing defensemen. How much could he get on the open market?

 

[Trxjw]

I'm so glad McDonagh was selected by another organization. The 3+ year *****-fest around here would have been miserable.

 

[Mikos87]

A Staal-Diaz pairing is not a shabby 2nd pairing in the NHL.

I'm an admirer of your posts, but top 4 defensemen don't get traded for 5th round picks. If Diaz was good enough to crack the top 6, he would have. Not the fastest skater at his size which is a major issue for defensemen, nor can he handle forwards that are bigger than him (90% of the NHL).

He's a good depth defenseman, and a very good big ice hockey player, but top 4 material he is not.

The Rangers would have better luck putting Klein there, or letting McIlrath play with Staal in a strict shut down role than having Diaz.

Diaz is a guy you want out there in offensive zone starts against 4th line competition. Anything more, and you are asking for trouble.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Thoughts on trading strallmans rights, mcilrath and mayb another player to Edmonton for perhaps rnh

Pass the dutchie to the left hand side.

 

[Trxjw]

Frankly, I think the Rangers would consider moving John Moore if Allen makes the team out of camp. Nice tools, but has the vision of a rock.

 

[Mikos87]

I wouldn't be comfortable with it, but they're gonna have to make some tough decisions this offseason.

Stralman's a young, right-handed, 2nd pairing defensemen. How much could he get on the open market?

I'd say ~$4.5M... Legit top 4 RHD are a scarce commodity, especially those that play a mistake free game. Matt Niskanen will get 5+ in the open market.

Wideman, Wisnieski got 5+ and they are terrible defensively. Stralman would be the 2nd best mobile RHD option in the market that can be signed long term.

All other options are older, D. Boyle, Zidlicky, Robidas. His price will come down to how many teams bid on him. The more bidders, the bigger the contract hit. The rest of the crop are lumbering types, Greene, Engylland, and so on.

 

[Thumpz]

While it's a long shot, we do have Bodie who'll be playing for Hartford next year who could impress and find his way onto the team mid season as that mobile offensive defenseman with a good point shot we'd love.

The depth of 5-6 dmen who could turn out to be better we have in Hartford allow us the option of making a move as minor as letting Stralman walk this summer, or as big as trading someone like Staal, as much as that thought scares me.

 

[slipknottin]

Frankly, I think the Rangers would consider moving John Moore if Allen makes the team out of camp. Nice tools, but has the vision of a rock.

Wouldn't they be better off moving allen? He's older, slower, not as good offensively or defensively.

 

[TheTakedown]

Wouldn't they be better off moving allen? He's older, slower, not as good offensively or defensively.

Their speed is similar if I can recall, however Allen definitely has the higher hockey IQ by a longshot

 

[slipknottin]

Their speed is similar if I can recall, however Allen definitely has the higher hockey IQ by a longshot

Allen and Moore are not similar speed wise at all. Moore is a far superior skater.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I'm so glad McDonagh was selected by another organization. The 3+ year *****-fest around here would have been miserable.

please.

i think i know where this is heading.

mcd, skill wise, head and shoulders above anything else we have drafted on defense since staal. he was always touted as a first or at worst, second pair guy. his skating is sublime and his overall feel for the game pretty high end. always was that way too.

the word was the habs thought his development had stalled or that he wasnt going to be the high end guy they thought, also he stayed in school and that wasnt what they wanted either.

no matter, mcd is the best dman we would have drafted in forever. sanguinetti, del zaster, and now mcilrath all pale in comparison.

we could have waited 10 years for bobby sangs, almost did with del zaster and probably will with mcilrath and none of them will be close to mcd

gospel.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Their speed is similar if I can recall, however Allen definitely has the higher hockey IQ by a longshot

john moore has one of the best skating strides on the team, and in the entire organization for that matter.

he skates beautifully. hes effortless and has very good speed with the puck. his edge work, hip shift and ability to play angles and recover is top notch. he transitions seamlessly and the coaching staff will tell you so.

as much as he gets buried on this site for being brain dead- and he does struggle in his zone frequently, his skating is nearly perfect and not something that should be dismissed.

you usually dont let a guy go who can skate like john moore.

 

[Ola]

Sub par puck moving capabilities.

I don't like replacing Stralman with Diaz on that second pair. I don't know why people are so comfortable with it. Diaz is a decent NHLer, but really nothing more. He shouldn't be on our second pairing.

I think it depends on what perspective we are looking at it from.

Would I be comfortable with us being a true contender with the team we have and Diaz in that role? No. But, Diaz is an above avg offensive D in this league for sure, he is better than Stårlman offensively. And defensively he is not at Strålman's level. But, I mean neither was Strålman when he came here. Diaz is no screw-up, he got a lot of hockey in him. He was hit with the numbers game in Montreal. Give Diaz a full year or two in the NHL, I definitely don't think its much of a reach to think he would be better than what Strålman is today. If he gets to play. Lining up next to Staal and getting PP minutes for us would be a perfect role for him. Its no coincidence that we picked him up for sure.

I definitely think it would pay off if we invested in Diaz, like we have in Strålman.

Mikos- Thanks! But we have to agree to disagree here. I mean, we picked up Strålman on a PTO after nobody wanted him. You don't do that as a general rule with top 4 Ds either. I could be wrong for sure, but I think if given some time, a Staal-Diaz pairing could work.

 

[Ola]

Inferno- I am sure some of my numbers are off.

But the last handful of years I've been claiming that we should lock up our better young players to long term deals instead of nickle and diming them into short term contracts, and if I look back to like the last 10 situations like this, I don't think I ever have come close to suggesting that we should have signed a player to a contract that would come back and hurt us.

Short term contracts is not good at all. Players won't have any value on the market and you will end up paying them a lot more when everything is said and done.

To get a player to sign a long-term deal, you gotta add around a million to the AAV, on avg.

 

[LeetchisGod]

john moore has one of the best skating strides on the team, and in the entire organization for that matter.

he skates beautifully. hes effortless and has very good speed with the puck. his edge work, hip shift and ability to play angles and recover is top notch. he transitions seamlessly and the coaching staff will tell you so.

as much as he gets buried on this site for being brain dead- and he does struggle in his zone frequently, his skating is nearly perfect and not something that should be dismissed.

you usually dont let a guy go who can skate like john moore.

Unfortunately he produces no offense and makes stupid mistakes in the defensive zone. I think his spot can be upgraded.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Unfortunately he produces no offense and makes stupid mistakes in the defensive zone. I think his spot can be upgraded.

you could be talking about any one of our dmen.

upgraded to whom? by trade or by one of the young guys ?

we let stralman walk and you move moore and you have 2 holes to fill.

assuming both those guys are gone, you want this ?

mcd girardi
staal klein
allen mcilrath andersson diaz


thats scary.

 

[Trxjw]

please.

i think i know where this is heading.

mcd, skill wise, head and shoulders above anything else we have drafted on defense since staal. he was always touted as a first or at worst, second pair guy. his skating is sublime and his overall feel for the game pretty high end. always was that way too.

the word was the habs thought his development had stalled or that he wasnt going to be the high end guy they thought, also he stayed in school and that wasnt what they wanted either.

no matter, mcd is the best dman we would have drafted in forever. sanguinetti, del zaster, and now mcilrath all pale in comparison.

we could have waited 10 years for bobby sangs, almost did with del zaster and probably will with mcilrath and none of them will be close to mcd

gospel.

So basically you're saying the Habs made a mistake by giving up on a prospect too early? Interesting.

Had this team drafted McDonagh and watched him fail to put up significant offensive numbers at Wisconsin, while Cherepanov was breaking Bure's rookie goal scoring record in Russia, we'd be having the exact same discussions we've been having about McIlrath. It's easy to argue against that in hindsight, but it's closer to malarkey than it is gospel.

 

[RangerBoy]

Andy MacDonald got 6 years and $30 million. Stralman shouldn't be far behind MacDonald.

 

[poeman]

Andy MacDonald got 6 years and $30 million. Stralman shouldn't be far behind MacDonald.

Whoa, good luck to Stralman then

 

[Jabroni]

Andy MacDonald got 6 years and $30 million. Stralman shouldn't be far behind MacDonald.

If that is his price, then it seems inevitable that we cut him loose.

It's unfortunate since he and Staal have been a fantastic pairing.

 

[OverTheCap]

John Moore reminds me of a better version of Gilroy. He has the edge on Gilroy defensively, but similar to Gilroy, his mobility isn't exactly translating into offensive success. He can skate but the vision isn't there and he has a weak shot.

I don't think they should give up on him yet but if he doesn't improve offensively next season then they should consider moving him.

 

[NickyFotiu]

John Moore reminds me of a better version of Gilroy. He has the edge on Gilroy defensively, but similar to Gilroy, his mobility isn't exactly translating into offensive success. He can skate but the vision isn't there and he has a weak shot.

I don't think they should give up on him yet but if he doesn't improve offensively next season then they should consider moving him.

With all due respect John Moore does not have a weak shot. Where did that come from?

With Girardi getting slower I like having Moore's speed on the backline. Our team speed on defense has really helped this team.

 

[Fitzy]

As solid as Stralman is he isn't 5 million a year solid... it's a Rozsival situation all over again. Hate to lose a good defender, but he isn't worth 5 million to this team.

 

[offdacrossbar]

John Moore reminds me of a better version of Gilroy. He has the edge on Gilroy defensively, but similar to Gilroy, his mobility isn't exactly translating into offensive success. He can skate but the vision isn't there and he has a weak shot.

I don't think they should give up on him yet but if he doesn't improve offensively next season then they should consider moving him.

actually moore has a pretty strong shot. when he has time, hes got a strong low slap shot that is both deflectable and accurate.

hes still alot like the same player he was when he was with cbus though hes shows more puck confidence now and more willingness to push the play. hes improving on his weaknesses.

i have to laugh at some of you here, its like all you see is what you want to see with this guy.

hes been told to carry the puck more. hes been told to take it deep and guess what, he has. he is frequently near the opposing goal line with possession and he appears to be pretty good at that part of the game. he pinches and he usually does so at the right time. at times, he really stands out and looks like he can take over games for stretches. his recovery ability is actually very good due to his ability to go from standing to full speed in only a few strides.

then he tries to play defense..... in his zone, he can still be a horror show with his bad passes and hurry up and get rid of it puck handling skills.

hes been alot more offensive since klein has arrived. his defensive awareness is still so-so but his skating and play with the puck in all 3 zones is much better.

hes a guy that still lacks confidence and that comes from being rushed by his prior organization.

 

[Fitzy]

Moore is one of the more reliable #6 defensemen in the league, with room to improve. I wouldn't want him in the top 4 but he's better than any #6 we've had a any time since the lockout with the possible exception of when we had

Staal-Girardi
Redden-Rozsival
Mara-Morris