Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[NYR Viper]

I have mentioned this name in the past and I realize it isn't a "flashy" name, but Daniel Winnik would be a good pick-up for this team. He is a big body, hits, great along the walls, drives to the net and skates well. LWer. 3rd liner.

Would the Rangers consider moving Hagelin + Moore/Klein for a center and then signing Winnik?

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Winnik-(Insert Center here)-Nash
Pouliot-Brassard-MZA
______-_______-Dorsett

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

What about Dustin Penner? He would work on a line with Nash considering how inconsistent they both are

 

[Trxjw]

I should mention that Miller was a placeholder as much as a legit option in my post. Lindberg is another potential option. Bringing in an actual 3rd line C being paid like a 3rd line C is another option, via trade if necessary.

That being said, I would be more surprised to see Miller put up less than 10 ES points with full-time minutes at center next year than I would be to see him hit 30. It's more likely we'd see 20-25 out of him, which is what I meant by not being much of a downgrade. Obviously we want more than 25 points out of a 3rd liner, but despite his NHL experience so far, he's still basically a rookie in my mind.

People discount what an entire summer of reevaluation, internalization and work can mean to young guys.

I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying that kind of thinking gets the Rangers into trouble with depth. Kreider was supposed to be blossoming rookie during the lockout year and he wasn't. That hurt our scoring ability because the organization had pegged him as a contributor.

I think the idea would be that Miller would slot in for Brassard, and the hope is that Brassard improves a bit and replaces Richards' production.

I don't think 35 points or so is out of the question for someone of Miller's talent playing for a full season. If Stepan and Brassard can improve by 5-10 points each it can make up for a rookie's limited production. It's not out of the question for them to do that, especially if the talent on the wings is better as well (St . Louis, Kreider improving, Zucc...).

Brassard is what he is. An inconsistent skill forward who gives you 45ish points and keeps you hoping that he's going to break out. I'm not opposed to him being a part of the offense, but hoping that he's going to add another 15+ points to his game is a pipe-dream, IMO. If we're a team that is supposed to win now, then get a guy who is going to give you 35 points at even strength. You can find that player and get him with a hockey trade. There's a middle ground between "Trade everyone for Eric Staal", "Sign Stastny" and "Miller can do it!"

 

[Trxjw]

I've always liked Berglund, but with Brassard and Miller, I wasn't sure how he would fit.

Miller could play the wing, or be moved for a player who can contribute now. Alternatively he could spend the beginning of the year in Hartford. People are just penciling him into the lineup like they did with Kreider, and we're a couple weeks removed from the coach basically saying he's not impressed.

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Berglund - MSL
Pouliot - Brass - Zucc
Dorsett - Boyle/Moore - Carcillo

Berglund is the kind of center MSL has had success with. A shoot first guy who can create space. If we're stacked on the RW, having 4 centers who can chip in 45+ points is not a bad thing.

 

[Staxgod90]

Miller could play the wing, or be moved for a player who can contribute now. Alternatively he could spend the beginning of the year in Hartford. People are just penciling him into the lineup like they did with Kreider, and we're a couple weeks removed from the coach basically saying he's not impressed.

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Berglund - MSL
Pouliot - Brass - Zucc
Dorsett - Boyle/Moore - Carcillo

Berglund is the kind of center MSL has had success with. A shoot first guy who can create space. If we're stacked on the RW, having 4 centers who can chip in 45+ points is not a bad thing.

I really don't like Miller on the wing. I feel like whenever he was playing an effective role, it was at Center.

 

[Vitto79]

What about Dustin Penner? He would work on a line with Nash considering how inconsistent they both are

Penner is not good . He was good then stunk for a few yrs then had another good playoff run. Play a kid like fast , miller over him any day

 

[RangerBoy]

A.V. clarified his Miller comments last week. He feels that way about all of the young players. The Rangers need to add size and strength. Miller has produced in the AHL. The Wings like to leave their guys in the minors for a while. Miller has been a pro for 2 years. It's time for him to play in the NHL. Miller was a point per game player this season.

 

[Trxjw]

I really don't like Miller on the wing. I feel like whenever he was playing an effective role, it was at Center.

I don't think he's reliable enough defensively to be a full time center in the NHL at this point.

 

[NYR Viper]

Someday we'll have an off-season where UFA's aren't the "go to" for adding players.

This team needs size in the middle. A guy who can play 16-18 minutes a game and center a line with likely Hagelin and one of Fast or Miller. They don't have the assets to make a big splash for a top-line center, so add a solid 3rd line option. Patrik Berglund is a guy who had success in a more offensive-minded system, but also has the 200ft game to be a solid 3rd line center. RFA. Only 25 years old. Might be a cap casualty if the Blues re-sign Miller.

I could get behind that idea, depending on the cost.

I really like max lapierres game. If we can't resign dom Moore or Boyle I would hope sather would take a look at him

Ew.

He's signed for next season.

Thank God.

I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying that kind of thinking gets the Rangers into trouble with depth. Kreider was supposed to be blossoming rookie during the lockout year and he wasn't. That hurt our scoring ability because the organization had pegged him as a contributor.



Brassard is what he is. An inconsistent skill forward who gives you 45ish points and keeps you hoping that he's going to break out. I'm not opposed to him being a part of the offense, but hoping that he's going to add another 15+ points to his game is a pipe-dream, IMO. If we're a team that is supposed to win now, then get a guy who is going to give you 35 points at even strength. You can find that player and get him with a hockey trade. There's a middle ground between "Trade everyone for Eric Staal", "Sign Stastny" and "Miller can do it!"

Agreed.

Miller could play the wing, or be moved for a player who can contribute now. Alternatively he could spend the beginning of the year in Hartford. People are just penciling him into the lineup like they did with Kreider, and we're a couple weeks removed from the coach basically saying he's not impressed.

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Berglund - MSL
Pouliot - Brass - Zucc
Dorsett - Boyle/Moore - Carcillo

Berglund is the kind of center MSL has had success with. A shoot first guy who can create space. If we're stacked on the RW, having 4 centers who can chip in 45+ points is not a bad thing.

I don't mind that move at all but the entire line-up is butter soft still.

I wonder if LA would be willing to move someone like Clifford this off-season once they finish getting steam-rolled.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Can we trade Nash for Dubi? Now there is a guy who comes to play in April.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Can we trade Nash for Dubi? Now there is a guy who comes to play in April.

In hindsight, especially with the emergence of Zuccarello and the MSL trade, I think this team would look a lot better with the depth/style Dubinsky and Anisimov would've been able to provide. Would've been a more versatile team, thats for sure.

 

[silverfish]

+1 on the Berglund bandwagon. I've brought him up before. Blues fans aren't really too open to trading him without an NHL center going back in the deal. Could be a road block there if management feels the same way.

Stastny looking for a large paycheck the way he's going in the post-season so far

Sather will have to get creative to fill the hole at 2C this off-season. The answer isn't Brassard or Miller IMO.

 

[RGY]

+1 on the Berglund bandwagon. I've brought him up before. Blues fans aren't really too open to trading him without an NHL center going back in the deal. Could be a road block there if management feels the same way.

Stastny looking for a large paycheck the way he's going in the post-season so far

Sather will have to get creative to fill the hole at 2C this off-season. The answer isn't Brassard or Miller IMO.

Eric Staal

 

[Trxjw]

I don't mind that move at all but the entire line-up is butter soft still.

I wonder if LA would be willing to move someone like Clifford this off-season once they finish getting steam-rolled.

It's certainly not a magic bullet move, but it does address a need and it gives us more flexibility. I trust more in the idea of Berglund stepping up into a larger role than I do in Miller. It'd be nice if Berglund was a nasty SOB, but if he was, I doubt we'd have a shot at getting him.

 

[silverfish]

Eric Staal

That would certainly be creative, but then we'd have to hear countless offers of things like Jordan Staal for McDonagh + Lundqvist because why wouldn't Jordan want to play with his brothers.

Then imagine the fun when Jared is a full-time NHLer

 

[NYR Viper]

If there was a way to return a young center with size and vision for Rick Nash I would make that move immediately. Nash doesn't look like the same player he was in Columbus. Lots of miles on those legs. His speed is gone

 

[Thirty One]

Nash has 47 goals in 109 games as a Ranger.

Goals are, IMO, a big part of hockey.

 

[NYR Viper]

Nash has 47 goals in 109 games as a Ranger.

Goals are, IMO, a big part of hockey.

I know you're a lot smarter than this post. Are there no other circumstances surrounding a player? Injuries? Cap Hit? Return on investment? Overall play? How many points does he have? Does he look like the same player from before? Do you think he will get better with age?

C'mon -31-

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Rick Nash had 13 assists this year (in 65 games). 13. Can we acknowledge how piss poor that is for the Rangers' "top offensive threat?" He looks extremely hesitant to take the puck to the interior of the ice.

He's a career 0.373 A/Game player. Turned in 0.200 this year, or 46% off his average, tied for worst in his career. Last season he turned in 0.200 A/Game was his second year in the NHL 2003-04.

 

[Ian]

So, a statistical anomaly, combined with a concussion and his center playing some of the worst hockey of his career for the first 2~ months of the season?

Nash has flaws as a player, I don't see how his lack of assists are anything to have concern over at this point.

 

[Inferno]

Rick Nash had 13 assists this year (in 65 games). 13. Can we acknowledge how piss poor that is for the Rangers' "top offensive threat?" He looks extremely hesitant to take the puck to the interior of the ice.

He's a career 0.373 A/Game player. Turned in 0.200 this year, or 46% off his average, tied for worst in his career. Last season he turned in 0.200 A/Game was his second year in the NHL 2003-04.

he has an assist in each of the 2 playoff games. Why complain about that?

I dont think hes been a problem these playoffs...i think hes been one of, if not our best offensive threat game in and game out. He's getting a lot of shots on goal, hes going to the net...he's doing enough that his line has put up a ton of points.

we stopped playing for 20 minutes, and it killed us.

Hockey is a 60 minute team game.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

So, a statistical anomaly, combined with a concussion and his center playing some of the worst hockey of his career for the first 2~ months of the season?

Nash has flaws as a player, I don't see how his lack of assists are anything to have concern over at this point.

I think it's highly possible that it is less of an anomaly and more foreshadowing. He doesn't seem nearly as involved as he was in Columbus or even in 2013.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

he has an assist in each of the 2 playoff games. Why complain about that?

I dont think hes been a problem these playoffs...i think hes been one of, if not our best offensive threat game in and game out. He's getting a lot of shots on goal, hes going to the net...he's doing enough that his line has put up a ton of points.

we stopped playing for 20 minutes, and it killed us.

Hockey is a 60 minute team game.

I'm not saying he is the reason the Rangers lost. I 100% agree with your characterization of the game.

I am saying he had a **** year. And I am concerned that it is more concision related than "bad luck."

 

[Thirty One]

I know you're a lot smarter than this post. Are there no other circumstances surrounding a player? Injuries? Cap Hit? Return on investment? Overall play? How many points does he have? Does he look like the same player from before? Do you think he will get better with age?

C'mon -31-

No, I don't think I am.

I hated pretty much everything about Marian Gaborik as a player, but as long as he was scoring goals, he brought a lot of value to the team. If you trade Nash, that's an awful lot of burden that's going to have to be picked up.

He likely won't get better with age, unless you're trading him for a 23 year old, that player won't either.

And past return on investment should, in no way, ever be a factor in trading/not trading a player.

 

[Ian]

I think it's highly possible that it is less of an anomaly and more foreshadowing. He doesn't seem nearly as involved as he was in Columbus or even in 2013.

Fair enough.

I personally think his poor season had more to do with his concussion/olympic issues/Stepan's poor performance/etc than declining skills/foreshadowing, but I guess we'll wait and see on that.

If someone was to view him as a non-engaged player during games, I think they would have seen it too in 12/13, so I don't think that's anything new, just a criticism of him as a player that'll always be there..