Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[Inferno]

I'm not saying he is the reason the Rangers lost. I 100% agree with your characterization of the game.

I am saying he had a **** year. And I am concerned that it is more concision related than "bad luck."

gotcha.

i feel like he had a crappy few months, and after that had more bad luck than anything. but during those few months he was AWFUL. i tore him apart on my blog.

i think hes been fine these playoffs...but he hasnt gone into beastmode yet...we havent seen that since the Columbus game.

 

[zuckera1]

Posted this in the GDT:

Regarding Nash this year during the regular season. While it was definitely a down season for him, he still was on a ~32 goal pace which is right around his career average. His assist total was low for him for whatever reason this year.

I don't have data to back this thought up, but I watched every game this year and there were numerous times when Nash made a great pass to set up Stepan/Kreider and the goalie robbed them. Furthermore, for some reason this year, Nash just didn't pick up any "empty" assists (ie: secondary assists). Not sure why but he'll regress to his mean next year. 35 goals 35 assists, ala Gaborik in his 3rd season here after a disappointing 2nd season.

 

[NYR Viper]

Just as a note for next season, this was a great example of how this team needs to upgrade their physical play and aggressiveness as while Dorsett, Boyle, Carcillo and Moore aren't overly skilled,,they filled their roles and created energy all night.

 

[NYRJules]

Just a quick thought, with Cally's season officially over now what are the chances if any he can resign with us. Is he inelgible since were still fighting playoffs, do we miss out due to this and he signs else where, or will he/does he have to wait until the official off season to sign. I'm just curious/hoping he can come back to NY

 

[Thumpz]

Cally won't be a free agent until July 1st. But teams can start talking to him I believe a week before that to discuss contracts.

 

[Ola]

Cally won't be a free agent until July 1st. But teams can start talking to him I believe a week before that to discuss contracts.

One thing I didn't know is that we apparently could trade for him now, there is no trade freeze just a roster freeze. Hrivik for Cally

 

[Ola]

Grabovski is probably the most interesting FA play from a pure talent perspective, but I don't see him leaving the Caps.

I wouldn't mind Grabovski behind Step and Brass, but I am not sold on him being a match with our wingers.

Nash-Step-MSL
Poo-Brass-Zucc
Hags-Grabovski-Kreider

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It would be beyond stupid to sign Callahan, not only will we probably overpay but we'll prevent ourselves from getting a 2nd rounder if he signs with Tampa.

 

[Kokoschka]

I wouldn't mind Grabovski behind Step and Brass, but I am not sold on him being a match with our wingers.

Nash-Step-MSL
Poo-Brass-Zucc
Hags-Grabovski-Kreider

He plays responsible defensive hockey, there are worse options than him (f ex signing Stastny to a long term contract). I'd give him a one year contract if there aren't any other options. I was high on Miller earlier this season, but right now I can't imagine he can handle a 3C spot. The other thing we might try is, give Dom Moore a shot at the 3rd line. I'm not sure about him either, though.

 

[Blue Blooded]

It would be beyond stupid to sign Callahan, not only will we probably overpay but we'll prevent ourselves from getting a 2nd rounder if he signs with Tampa.

Not to mention that he likely doesn't have many good years left in him. Look at how similar (and superior) players are breaking down left and right. Mike Richards is on the Kings' 4th line and getting compared to Horcoff. Kesler is nowhere near the 40g Selke winning player he was a few years back. Horcoff is another apt comparison for that matter. I don't have to mention Drury.

The 110%-giving heart and soul player, while being the most likeable player type, is the most treacherous as their decline is usually sharper and sets in earlier than other players'.

I'm not saying all hard working players are contractual liabilities, but just those who are primarily relentless effort. The hard working, yet calculating, players with skill are probably the longest lasting players. Just look at St. Louis. Stepan will likely be productive well into his 30's. I think Zuccarello might be as well. But I wouldn't be surprised if Hagelin only has 3-4 good years left in him.

 

[Mikos87]

After watching the Kings trade away a stud prospect in Hudson Fasching for an NHL ready LHD in McNabb, and seeing just how big of a group of pylons they have on defense... it looks like LA's defense simply can't skate to keep up with the elite teams in the league.

Mitchell and Regehr are Rich Pilon bad compared to the Shark forwards, and this would be an ideal time for them to upgrade. Jake Muzzin is their best LHD, and he is a 4-5 D. LA badly needs defensemen that can skate from what they are showing in the playoffs.

How about a trade of JMoore and Hrivik for Weal and Sabourin?

Watched a lot of AHL hockey in CT, and can think that Weal has the upside to be a 2nd line center. Really smart play making center, a little on the short side, but sturdy. Quick hands, RH shot, high IQ player. Not an elite skater, but gets around well enough ala Stepan. Has scored progressively at every level that he's played.

Sabourin has a power forward build, nice mix of size toughness and grit. Would make for a great 4th line winger in a year. Some upside as he is a very good straight line skater. Not high IQ player, but competes hard, wins a lot of board battles, or ties up well along the walls. A good zone possession player. Won't score, but if he can kill penalties, he'd become a 6'3" 225 version of a Brandon Prust. Think Zack Kassian or Marcus Foligno without the hype. A 10-10-20 100 PIM bottom line forward.

Conor Allen can replace Moore seamlessly. Not as fast of a skater, but is a better athlete, more focused, consistent, takes a hit to make a play, doesn't turn the puck over when pressured, and mentally tough. Guy is a serious athlete, and can move the puck out of trouble. Very focused and mature player. NHL ready now.

 

[NYR Viper]

Carcillo being brought back should be a no-brainer. Solid depth forward who can play ~8-10 minutes a night. Skates well. Will stick up for teammates.

One of Moore/Boyle should be brought back, if not both.

Dorsett has been much better over the last 20 games.

The Rangers should do all that they can to keep that 4th line intact. So solid all over the ice. All (3) PK. Block shots. Hit. (2) are good in the dot. All skate pretty well.

Priority #1 should be to find some more size and physical play for the top-9. They will have a center spot open. Can they find that in their 2/3c or do they need to open up a wing spot for someone like that.

 

[Fitzy]

The questions of #3 Center and #2 Right Defenseman are the most intriguing to me.

I think they keep one of Moore and Boyle, and play Carcillo-XX-Dorsett as the 4th for next year, which suits me just fine. Boyle and Moore have both been great but if Boyle asks for a raise I think we just keep Dominic.

The center that really fits the bill is Legwand, but he's older and slower. I can't see us bidding up to him to the point we get him, especially not with how little cap space they have.

Considering we have so many UFA's to sign

Stralman
Carcillo
Boyle
Moore
Pouliot

And so many RFA's

Hagelin
Kreider
John Moore
Brassard
Zuccarello

I'd just as soon trade for a Burmistrov or Sutter type center, younger, lower cap hit.

 

[NYR Viper]

The questions of #3 Center and #2 Right Defenseman are the most intriguing to me.

I think they keep one of Moore and Boyle, and play Carcillo-XX-Dorsett as the 4th for next year, which suits me just fine. Boyle and Moore have both been great but if Boyle asks for a raise I think we just keep Dominic.

The center that really fits the bill is Legwand, but he's older and slower. I can't see us bidding up to him to the point we get him, especially not with how little cap space they have.

Considering we have so many UFA's to sign

Stralman
Carcillo
Boyle
Moore
Pouliot

And so many RFA's

Hagelin
Kreider
John Moore
Brassard
Zuccarello

I'd just as soon trade for a Burmistrov or Sutter type center, younger, lower cap hit.

I would be surprised if they don't move one of Moore/Klein and bring in a UFA to play with Staal. Dan Boyle is going to be available. That has Sather written all over it.

Allen/McIlrath/OTHER can take a spot. UFA in the other spot.

Use Klein/Moore + Hagelin to return a young 3c or bigger body player. It's hard to gauge who is available.

That leaves (1) wing spot open, assuming they bring back Pouliot. Kreider, Pouliot, MZA, MSL, Nash. They can leave that spot open for Fast/Miller/Bourque/Kristo/Haggerty/OTHER or go out and try and get a bigger bodied player. Chimera. Winnik. Big guys who have speed and can add some goals but also like to play physical.

Nash-Stepan-MSL
Pouliot-Brassard-MZA
Kreider-3c Acquired-Chimera/Winnik/OTHER
Carcillo-Moore/Boyle-Dorsett

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Boyle/OTHER
Allen-Klein OR Moore-McIlrath/Allen

 

[Fitzy]

If we don't move Hagelin, and stick to that top line as you suggest, I'd be interested to see if Kreider could make a move to the off-wing at RW.

He's a very on-the-rush type of offensive player, and that would allow him to have a better shot at the net.

 

[Trxjw]

As Viper mentioned, assuming these two lines are kept together:

Nash-Stepan-MSL
Pouliot-Brassard-MZA

..that leaves the 3rd line as Kreider and Hagelin with nobody in the middle. Burmistrov would be a very interesting option there. Doesn't address size in the middle, but he's a very gifted player who could do well setting up Kreider. There's a ton of speed on that line. If the Rangers want to be a transition team that plays an attacking style of hockey, that might make more sense than targeting a guy with size.

I'm not terribly worried about creating a blocker for a younger player. If the player is ready, they'll find a way to fit him in or move him for a piece that can fill a hole.

 

[Mikos87]

As Viper mentioned, assuming these two lines are kept together:

Nash-Stepan-MSL
Pouliot-Brassard-MZA

..that leaves the 3rd line as Kreider and Hagelin with nobody in the middle. Burmistrov would be a very interesting option there. Doesn't address size in the middle, but he's a very gifted player who could do well setting up Kreider. There's a ton of speed on that line. If the Rangers want to be a transition team that plays an attacking style of hockey, that might make more sense than targeting a guy with size.

I'm not terribly worried about creating a blocker for a younger player. If the player is ready, they'll find a way to fit him in or move him for a piece that can fill a hole.

I think its Miller's spot to grab a hold of. Miller centering two speed guys is a very good spot for him, however, I just proposed getting a kid like Jordan Weal for that spot. Would definitely keep Miller, but Weal's got bigger offensive upside.

 

[NYR Viper]

As Viper mentioned, assuming these two lines are kept together:

Nash-Stepan-MSL
Pouliot-Brassard-MZA

..that leaves the 3rd line as Kreider and Hagelin with nobody in the middle. Burmistrov would be a very interesting option there. Doesn't address size in the middle, but he's a very gifted player who could do well setting up Kreider. There's a ton of speed on that line. If the Rangers want to be a transition team that plays an attacking style of hockey, that might make more sense than targeting a guy with size.

I'm not terribly worried about creating a blocker for a younger player. If the player is ready, they'll find a way to fit him in or move him for a piece that can fill a hole.

I'd love a player like Burmistrov. I don't know if he would be available. Te more I think about Berglund, the less interested I am. Skating is not up to snuff and they already have Brassard and Stepan who are decent to average skaters.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I'd love a player like Burmistrov. I don't know if he would be available. Te more I think about Berglund, the less interested I am. Skating is not up to snuff and they already have Brassard and Stepan who are decent to average skaters.

I think Fast can do what Hagelin does on that right wing. If Nash is going to be our LW moving forward on that line, then that frees up a RW spot.

Kristo could even be in the fold next year. He has some special vision and ability.

Again, I think Hagelin doesn't fit this style of offense. Hagelin for Burmistrov could be something explored...

 

[silverfish]

It's a shame it would never happen, but I would trade the world to add Nick Bjugstad to this team. Florida is prime to make a big move in the standings, with Bjugstad at their core. That's exactly what we're missing though. That huge center with offensive instincts.

I'd throw Hagelin and prospects/picks galore to bring Bjugstad here. I'm sure all of us would

 

[Thirty One]

It's a shame it would never happen, but I would trade the world to add Nick Bjugstad to this team. Florida is prime to make a big move in the standings, with Bjugstad at their core. That's exactly what we're missing though. That huge center with offensive instincts.

I'd throw Hagelin and prospects/picks galore to bring Bjugstad here. I'm sure all of us would

No. If you don't have draft picks, you will get chlamydia, and you will die.

At least according to this board.

 

[silverfish]

No. If you don't have draft picks, you will get chlamydia, and you will die.

At least according to this board.

Nothing like a solid Mean Girls reference

Seriously though.

Hagelin
Miller
McIlrath
1st round pick in 2016

I don't give a ****. Get Bjugstad here NOW.

Sign Scooter Vaughan, and stack the AHL/ECHL with undrafted college FAs

 

[NYR Viper]

I think Fast can do what Hagelin does on that right wing. If Nash is going to be our LW moving forward on that line, then that frees up a RW spot.

Kristo could even be in the fold next year. He has some special vision and ability.

Again, I think Hagelin doesn't fit this style of offense. Hagelin for Burmistrov could be something explored...

I'd look into that. Although I have thought for a while that something like John Moore for Burmistrov would fit each teams needs. Winnepeg needs LD. Rangers need a 3c. Both young.

 

[GAGLine]

No. If you don't have draft picks, you will get chlamydia, and you will die.

At least according to this board.

There's a big difference between trading picks for a young player/prospect and trading them for a soon to be 39 year old player with 1 year left on his contract.

 

[silverfish]

There's a big difference between trading picks for a young player/prospect and trading them for a soon to be 39 year old player with 1 year left on his contract.

Who has been an absolute force for the Rangers so far in these (young) playoffs.