Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[Trxjw]

St Louis has a ton of experience on the point, no?

He's always been kind of all over the place. I believe the last few years he was playing the half-wall on his off-wing, but I might be wrong about that. In the time I have watched him on the point, he's never been that impressive.

 

[Cassano]

the rangers need someone who can replace richards' minutes on the point on the pp. Who is that going to be? Certainly nobody on the current roster. Mcdonagh, girardi and klein are all locked up. Moore is cost controlled. Staal is a top-pairing defender playing 2nd pairing minutes and absolutely needs to be re-signed. Stralman is the odd-man out.

Wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see cody franson or dan boyle in a rangers jersey in the fall.

msl.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

That's the thing, Strålman may lack offensive punch (which is weird considering he is very skilled) but I think he will give very good bang for the buck even on his new contract. His lack of offensive production is probably a good thing here as it should make him a lot cheaper to re-sign.

Yeah, I feel as though Stralman's numbers don't do his overall game justice. He's not much of a factor in the offensive zone, but he's a huge part of the transition game with his skating and puck moving skills.

It's pretty weird how he's completely transformed his game. I remember when he was brought in, he was thought of as a one-dimensional PP specialist. Now, he's a defensively oriented guy.

The dream option is Byfuglien, but can we afford him and do we have the assets to acquire him.

His contract is not as large as he is, and Winnipeg is absolutely LOADED at right D. I don't think Buff is long for the Jets, IMO, with Trouba and Bogosian already there. They also have a very good offensive defenseman in their farm system in Josh Morrissey.

Niskanen is probably the best UFA option, but I'm not sold that he is that big of an improvement over Strålman even offensively. I think his offensive numbers are massively inflated by playing on the Penguins and becoming the go-to guy offensive D in Letang's absence. Not to mention he is going to get PAID.

Agreed 100%. Stralman and Niskanen are pretty similar players, IMO. I think Stralman would be a LOT more productive in terms of point scoring were he playing in the position Niskanen is. Niskanen has become a very good player, though, and, ideally, he fits in. Not at 6 years, $5.5M per, though.

 

[Blue Blooded]

People tend to forget that Klein has already been a very capable top-4 defender in the NHL on a team with less defensive depth overall, but better defensive depth on the right side. Given a full training camp on this team, I have no doubts that he can be that next year.

And their possession game was awful. Yes he can handle the minutes without embarrassing himself, but the team's possession game will suffer.

Stralman is awesome. But roughly equal to Girardi? Laughable statement.

Again, Stralman is awesome, but I do think he's somewhat overrated around here, while being underrated around the league. He's a solid 4/5 defenseman who fits into our system.

I'm higher on Strålman than most and lower on Girardi than most.

In my book Girardi is far from a #1 as some seem to think he is, but he sure can log minutes and he seems to have figured out AV's system well enough not to be a detriment on the top pairing (his play at the start of 13-14 was beyond terrible).

 

[Tawnos]

And their possession game was awful. Yes he can handle the minutes without embarrassing himself, but the team's possession game will suffer.

The Predators possession game has generally been designed to be awful during Klein's time there. Or at least not been a major factor in the design. Again, to me at least, Klein is a good enough player that I think he can make the adjustment to be a high-quality #4 with a full training camp.

I'm higher on Strålman than most and lower on Girardi than most.

In my book Girardi is far from a #1 as some seem to think he is, but he sure can log minutes and he seems to have figured out AV's system well enough not to be a detriment on the top pairing (his play at the start of 13-14 was beyond terrible).

Nearly everyone was beyond terrible at the start of the season. But we've argued about Girardi before (and about advanced stats as a judge of defensemen too), so we probably don't need to hash that one out again.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I wouldn't mind seeing Dan Boyle brought in on a 1 or 2 year contract at $5 million per year to play on the second pairing with Staal as well as the first PP unit. Right handed shot with 12 goals this year. 6 of which were on the PP. Age is obviously the issue. A 1 year contract would be ideal but someone is bound to offer more years with this current market.

 

[Blue Blooded]

I wouldn't mind seeing Dan Boyle brought in on a 1 or 2 year contract at $5 million per year to play on the second pairing with Staal as well as the first PP unit. Right handed shot with 12 goals this year. 6 of which were on the PP. Age is obviously the issue. A 1 year contract would be ideal but someone is bound to offer more years with this current market.

Boyle seems to be done and just a PP specialist at this point. The Sharks have banished him to their third pairing 5v5.

 

[BroadwayHustle]

He's always been kind of all over the place. I believe the last few years he was playing the half-wall on his off-wing, but I might be wrong about that. In the time I have watched him on the point, he's never been that impressive.

You are right, he played the half-wall on the Tampa PP. That is why you are seeing him there with Stepan in the middle (as a right handed shot) getting fed shots. In Tampa, MSL sat on the half wall and made passes to a few RH shots who would shoot off the pass. No one on this damn team takes a 1-timer except Girardi who scores or misses the net.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Also its rumored that Burmisrov (I can't spell his name) has changed agents and could possibly be looking to come back to the NHL. If the Jets would rather deal him then keep him, would anyone be opposed to moving McI for him.

I don't think a team would be able to steal Burmistrov away but I don't think it would cost a huge deal to get him.

Both players are the same age. He is an RFA and a centerman that could replace Richards when he is bought out.

Nash - Stepan - MSL
Pouliot - Brassard - Zuke
Kreider - Burmistrov - Hagelin
Boyle - Moore - Fast/Dorestt
Dorsett/Carcillo

McD - Girardi
Staal - Boyle
Moore/Diaz - Klein
Diaz/Moore

Lundqvist
Talbot

 

[Blue Blooded]

Also its rumored that Burmisrov (I can't spell his name) has changed agents and could possibly be looking to come back to the NHL. If the Jets would rather deal him then keep him, would anyone be opposed to moving McI for him.

I don't think a team would be able to steal Burmistrov away but I don't think it would cost a huge deal to get him.

Both players are the same age. He is an RFA and a centerman that could replace Richards when he is bought out.

Nash - Stepan - MSL
Pouliot - Brassard - Zuke
Kreider - Burmistrov - Hagelin
Boyle - Moore - Fast/Dorestt
Dorsett/Carcillo

McD - Girardi
Staal - Boyle
Moore/Diaz - Klein
Diaz/Moore

Lundqvist
Talbot

Trade Kreider, Miller, and McI for Byfuglien and Burmistrov.

Nash-Stepan-St. Louis
Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello
Hagelin-Burmistrov-Fast
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Byfuglien
Moore/Diaz-Klein

Lundqvist
Talbot

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Trade Kreider, Miller, and McI for Byfuglien and Burmistrov.

Nash-Stepan-St. Louis
Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello
Hagelin-Burmistrov-Fast
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Byfuglien
Moore/Diaz-Klein

Lundqvist
Talbot

Ew, no. Hell no.

Moving Kreider would be moronic.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If Nash stays at LW (which he should), of Nash/Hagelin/Kreider/Pouliot, Hagelin will be the odd man out, not Kreider.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Can Hagelin shift to the right side?

 

[Blue Blooded]

Ew, no. Hell no.

Moving Kreider would be moronic.

Gotta give to get, Byfuglien helps this team more than Kreider IMO.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Trade Kreider, Miller, and McI for Byfuglien and Burmistrov.

Nash-Stepan-St. Louis
Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello
Hagelin-Burmistrov-Fast
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Byfuglien
Moore/Diaz-Klein

Lundqvist
Talbot

If I trade Kreider, I want more offensive talent in return than just Burmistrov.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Gotta give to get, Byfuglien helps this team more than Kreider IMO.

Yeah, I don't know about that. Kreider has ridiculous potential, and is an incredibly unique player. He's also seven years younger than Byfuglien.

We'll move him, and he'll become a 30-40 goal power forward. Watch. I'd like him to become that with us.

 

[ecemleafs]

trading kreider for byfuglien is an absolutely ridiculous idea. what position does byfuglien even play for us? hes a total liability defensively when playing defense and his unique offense he provides isnt nearly as valuable when coming from a wing position. hes also highly paid, older, and out of shape (cant imagine that not becoming a problem when he gets older)

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Would give up, like, Hagelin and a D prospect not named McIrath/Sjkei for Byfuglien.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Gotta give to get, Byfuglien helps this team more than Kreider IMO.

Dude you're obsessed with Byfuglien. I'm guessing he has nice #fancystats.

 

[ecemleafs]

with richards getting bought out ud ideally like to see a PP specialist play in stralmans spot but the only guy that looks decent is niskanen and hes gonna be overpaid and hes sucked before this season. do we just resign stralman and move MSL to richards spot on the 1st team PP?

 

[Blue Blooded]

Yeah, I don't know about that. Kreider has ridiculous potential, and is an incredibly unique player. He's also seven years younger than Byfuglien.

We'll move him, and he'll become a 30-40 goal power forward. Watch. I'd like him to become that with us.

He could become Pacioretty and we do lack goal scorers, but we lack offence from our back end even more and I think Byfuglien is at worst a top-5 offensive defenceman in the league.

What if Kreider just turns out to be a 20-25 goal complimentary winger? Byfuglien is proven AND currently undervalued.

But sure, if they'd go for Hagelin that'd be great. I just don't think they would.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

He could become Pacioretty and we do lack goal scorers, but we lack offence from our back end even more and I think Byfuglien is at worst a top-5 offensive defenceman in the league.

What if Kreider just turns out to be a 20-25 goal complimentary winger? Byfuglien is proven AND currently undervalued.

But sure, if they'd go for Hagelin that'd be great. I just don't think they would.

I don't think they'd get a ton if they trade Byfuglien. Definitely NOT Kreider, let along Miller and McIlrath, too. Teams know that he's expendable, and I'm sure his weight issues are not very appealing to a lot of teams.

 

[Cassano]

Trade Kreider, Miller, and McI for Byfuglien and Burmistrov.

Nash-Stepan-St. Louis
Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello
Hagelin-Burmistrov-Fast
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Byfuglien
Moore/Diaz-Klein

Lundqvist
Talbot

I would love this, but trade Klein instead and keep Stralman somehow.

Also due to cap restraints swap Brassard for Miller in your proposed deal.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

mfw people would love to trade Kreider for Byfuglien

What the actual ****

 

[Blue Blooded]

Dude you're obsessed with Byfuglien. I'm guessing he has nice #fancystats.

He does, and he brings an element that we severely lack. A legit offensive threat from the blue line will also open up more space for our forwards.

Getting to play on a 2nd pairing with Marc Staal has to be every offensive defenceman's dream, I think Byfuglien would absolutely thrive there.