Yeah well I know but I'm really tiered of him as of now. Rather have Miller or Fast playing 4th line minutes if that should be the case.
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Yeah well I know but I'm really tiered of him as of now. Rather have Miller or Fast playing 4th line minutes if that should be the case.
Derick Brassard is a better buy than Brad Richards over the next 3-4 years. Richards has logged so many minutes on the PP. 16 goals 29 points 45 points in 65 games. 3 PPG and 17 PPP. -10. Brassard at 13-23-36 in 64 games. 6 PPG and 16 PPP. -2. Richards is 34. Brassard turns 27 later this year. For a $6,666,667 cap hit and all of the aggravation the contract will bring,the Rangers need more than 45 points in 65 games. Centers are hard to find. Re-sign Brassard. Richards is on pace for 20 goals and 57 points this season. $6,666,667 player? The Rangers have too many players to-resign and too many needs to fill,they need that space. Its only been 3 games but where is the chemistry between Richards and his buddy St.Louis? Nothing worth keeping Richards.
Kreider is arbitration eligible. He is tied for second in goals on the team. Kreider is on pace for a 21 goal season.
BBKers
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BRAVO - but will the senile old man get this??
Richards is skating in wet cement while MSL and Hagelin are all over the place
Rangers should have traded Boyle for future depth and let Miller stay on the roster. now Boyle like Prust will be let go for nothing in return
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110% agree. People comment on the chemistry between St Louis and Richards. I see St Louis carrying Richards.
Wow as a RFA? I understand the whole puts up points thing and I do think he's underrated defensively. But, I would have thought it would have been closer to McDonagh in a contract. Subban (10-35-45) vs McDonagh (11-24-35)
I know nothing of how many years of UFA they would be buying out. Still 7x7 is a ton of money for a younger player. Karlsson got 7 x 6.5
Side note, just realized Canadiens took Mcdonagh 1 and Subban 2 in the same draft.
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Ryan Callahan was arbitration eligible in 2009. He signed for $4.6M over 2 years. Callahan had just completed his first full NHL season. He had a 20 goal season. $5M over 2 years for Kreider. He has the playoff goals added to his resume. In 2 years,the Rangers sign Kreider to the long-term deal.
Rangers should have traded Boyle for future depth and let Miller stay on the roster. now Boyle like Prust will be let go for nothing in return
And what would've been the return for Boyle when even Vanek couldn't fetch much more than a 2nd? I'd guess Boyle could've fetched a 4th, maybe conditional 3rd. I'd rather keep the depth for the playoffs then.
Last June the entire Rangers front office wasn't on board with not amnestying Richards after last season. Someone or some people wanted Richards gone after last season. Just a guess. Sather wanted to keep him and Gorts wanted him gone. They kept him for this season. Sather tells Gorton we will amnesty him after 13-14. We have until June 2014. Eventually the Rangers will have a new GM and that guy will have to deal with Richards contract. If I were Gorton and I'm the next guy here,I would want Richards gone in June. The Rangers dragged out the decision for as long as they could. From: @LouisJean_TVA
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The rental market sucked. Is that sign of things to come or is it the $64.3M cap? McKenzie thinks the cap is the reason for a bad rental market. Teams didn't have space to add money which is why some deals involved retaining money. Even with a $68M cap,there should be more flexibillity than $64.3M. The NHL GMs are meeting in Boca Raton today through Wednesday. The cap and the Canadian dollar is one of the items on the agenda.
Its not a given that we are buying out BR. Slats made the call the last time, and the same reasoning made then can obvously of course be made again. They will of course look at the end of this season, how close are we? There is a bunch of GM's out there -- de facto -- counting on being able to avoid recapturing etc. There is a reason for that, its hard to see how you could not. In 9/10 situations, BR plays here during a period where he produce for us, and then retires.
My question is really if he produces enough. I am not sold on that. I just think he is moving too slow. If he however can produce when it matters with MSL, I think Slats is tempted by the 2-3 years they have infront of them. We can keep BR, we don't have to let him go.
Some tough decisions would have to be made. But I don't for example think that Carl Hagelin's future here is written in stone, he has good value around the league but isn't quite a perfect fit on our roster. Like in AV's system. He is more valuble in a bit more N-S system. Strålman isn't quite getting it done offensively. While he don't deserve to be dumped or not resigned, planning ahead we need more offense and there is only one spot available in the top 4. That would be Strålman's. Diaz will probably take any offer this summer, if he knows that he will get a good shot. I like Strålman but I also like Diaz. He is a good D. Dorsett isn't contributing much, and Brian Boyle is too expensive for a 4th line role. If we move those players for picks or let them go.
With those moves, we even get below the ridiculously low estimates of 68m (I would bet at closer to 69.5m, but that's just me). Hagelin would probably fetch a 1st or a good prospect in return, and Dorsett would at least bring back a decent pick.
If this year's team show that it can be close, I think the team above would be better. JT Miller will be a good player next season. He is only growing. All our player's are still adjusting to each other and AVs system. That gotta be tempting for Slats.
My question is really if he produces enough. I am not sold on that. I just think he is moving too slow. If he however can produce when it matters with MSL, I think Slats is tempted by the 2-3 years they have infront of them. We can keep BR, we don't have to let him go.
Some tough decisions would have to be made. But I don't for example think that Carl Hagelin's future here is written in stone, he has good value around the league but isn't quite a perfect fit on our roster. Like in AV's system. He is more valuble in a bit more N-S system. Strålman isn't quite getting it done offensively. While he don't deserve to be dumped or not resigned, planning ahead we need more offense and there is only one spot available in the top 4. That would be Strålman's. Diaz will probably take any offer this summer, if he knows that he will get a good shot. I like Strålman but I also like Diaz. He is a good D. Dorsett isn't contributing much, and Brian Boyle is too expensive for a 4th line role. If we move those players for picks or let them go.
With those moves, we even get below the ridiculously low estimates of 68m (I would bet at closer to 69.5m, but that's just me). Hagelin would probably fetch a 1st or a good prospect in return, and Dorsett would at least bring back a decent pick.
If this year's team show that it can be close, I think the team above would be better. JT Miller will be a good player next season. He is only growing. All our player's are still adjusting to each other and AVs system. That gotta be tempting for Slats.
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Change is good.
If anything, Ola's scenario proves how vital it is for Richards to be dumped. He's got A) a cap-friendly contract traded, B) 4 rookies making the team, c) a fringe NHLer playing on the 3rd pair, D) IMO low dollar allocations to Pouliot and Brassard (MZA's number might be right depending on the length of his contract) and, even with all that, the total cap hit STILL comes in over $68MM.
There's NO way you can go into next year with BR on the squad if the cap comes in at $68-69MM.
There's NO way you can go into next year with BR on the squad if the cap comes in at $68-69MM.
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I think that should be the plan, though it begs the question of what to do with next year's surplus cap space. I've advocated trying to convince a scoring winger in a current poor form like Gaborik or Heatley to join the Rangers on a one year deal.
Tawnos
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That's kinda stupid on McKenzie's part. The rental market sucked because there was a lot of supply. The cap situation didn't matter so much. Money can be retained. As you said, that's what happened. Large supply drove prices down.
What?
There is two rookies on that roster, and JT Miller is hardly that fresh and Fast on the 4th line is put there to illustrate a cheap contract.
There is nothing wrong with a Diaz-Moore 3rd pairing.
And moving Hagelin is of course controversial and nothing that is sought after. However it's an option to retrieve picks -- something we have dealt a lot lately. That will comeback and haunt us if not something is done about it.
That seems to be the best option. But I don't think it's a given if we show that we are close this season...
Richards is more or less the same player he ever has been, he has scored 60 pts before...
...remember that I pointed this out before we got him?
It will be the same with MSL. You think he will be plus PPG player for us?
Stats is only stats, when are you guys going to learn...
BR is not fallin of that much really. He has never been much better than this.
I remember you wanted to sign to the long-term contract and pointed to the Red Wings signing their players to those long term contracts. Those guys are breaking down on the Wings.
MSL is a point a game player at 38. He has more left in the tank at 38 than Richards at 34.
Richards was a 91 point player in 09-10. He had hip surgery in June 2010 and then a concussion in 10-11.
If Richards was a stock,you could have shorted him after 09-10 and would still be short.
You want to keep Richards and fit everyone around him. Squeeze in players. The Rangers aren't winning with that line-up.
The production doesn't match his contract.
RB- Ok, thats called selective memory... 
And I didn't necessarily say that I wanted to keep Richards.
From my perspective its a tough decision, I differ from many in that regards. Why is it tough? If we let BR go, we can't replace him. Not on the PP. That will hurt us. If we show that we are close this season in the PO's (if we don't its a no-brainer, but lets say that we somehow show that we are close), its a tough decision to take since it will set us back alot. BR plays 1:45 every PP, our PP will be hurt a lot without him. The option to let him go is to keep him for 3-4 years or whatever and then let him go on LTIR when he don't have much left.
We also know that most GM's in this position de facto don't fear the cap circumventing agreements at all. We can all claim to know more than these guys, sometimes we do. But there is a reason for why some of the best front offices have concluded that the front-loaded deals isn't scary. And I understand the logic they must be using, what hockeyplayer closing in on 40 is injury free? Its a phone call away in most cases to know for sure that a player never has to retire while under contract. All they need to do is call their doctors: "How did Marian Hossa do in his last physio? Ok he didn't have any ligament in his left knee. Could that heal? Is it possible that if he kept playing 3 more years, he could pass a physio? Stop laughing at me. Click."
Look at Drury, he could have gone on LTIR instead of being bought out. We opted to have him bought out instead because we already had Wade Redden on LTIR and the two of them togehter totaled 10 percent of the cap...
Does Slats think that BR is signed for 6 more years or 3 more years?
And I didn't necessarily say that I wanted to keep Richards.
From my perspective its a tough decision, I differ from many in that regards. Why is it tough? If we let BR go, we can't replace him. Not on the PP. That will hurt us. If we show that we are close this season in the PO's (if we don't its a no-brainer, but lets say that we somehow show that we are close), its a tough decision to take since it will set us back alot. BR plays 1:45 every PP, our PP will be hurt a lot without him. The option to let him go is to keep him for 3-4 years or whatever and then let him go on LTIR when he don't have much left.
We also know that most GM's in this position de facto don't fear the cap circumventing agreements at all. We can all claim to know more than these guys, sometimes we do. But there is a reason for why some of the best front offices have concluded that the front-loaded deals isn't scary. And I understand the logic they must be using, what hockeyplayer closing in on 40 is injury free? Its a phone call away in most cases to know for sure that a player never has to retire while under contract. All they need to do is call their doctors: "How did Marian Hossa do in his last physio? Ok he didn't have any ligament in his left knee. Could that heal? Is it possible that if he kept playing 3 more years, he could pass a physio? Stop laughing at me. Click."
Look at Drury, he could have gone on LTIR instead of being bought out. We opted to have him bought out instead because we already had Wade Redden on LTIR and the two of them togehter totaled 10 percent of the cap...
Does Slats think that BR is signed for 6 more years or 3 more years?
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