Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXVIII: All the #1C's!

[Vitto79]

It should be at MOST. AT MOST. AT MOST!!! 4 years, for 4.7. That's the highest I would go.

so we all realizes he makes 4.3 million right now? He's going to get atleast 5.5 and it would not be crazy it would be looked at as descent for all the intangibles he brings.

6 is nuts so if he wants that then trade him. It should be as simple as that. Cally caves or trade him. Sather needs to stick to his guns on this one.

I think he signs 6x6, sorry guys lol

 

[Jim Ramsay]

A contract signed in 2014 is always bound to be worse than anything signed in 2013 and so forth.

I think the worst current contract is the idiotic bridge contracts Slats signed recently that will bring us to these situations with so many players in the near future.

Slats just keeps screwing up, first he signs Torts and then he completely fails to understand how the cap would develop. Unbelievable. Anyone with half a brain knew the cap would develop like this, I've made many posts on it over the years. Instead o'clock ing these guys up on longterm deals at around 4m, we will end up paying them 6-7m.

If anything, watching Stepan this year is exactly the reason why we should be signing bridge contracts.

 

[Don Chytil]

Nope. For 6x6, the first few years had better look closer to 25g 55pt per year. More importantly though, he has to hustle like the player whose cashing in on his reputation right now and not like this diminished version of himself we've seen this year. If he's going to be a 45 point player at the start of the deal I shudder to think about when he's a 6M 35 point player two years into it.

The numbers I posted were assumed averages, so let's say it's 55 for the first two years, 30-35 in the last two years. Agreed on the hustle, I'd like to see that again. Don't think it's there, unfortunately.

Unless he dramatically turns to David Backes overnight, he'll never be worth that contract.

And what kind of a contract do you expect David Backes to sign when he's a UFA in 2 years? Hell, he could get 6.5-7 per year right now as a UFA. Who knows what he'll get when the cap is nearing 80 million.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

**** the contract, I don't want him on the team because he sucks at the game of hockey. The kid has heart, skill he does not.

TRADE HIM.

What an outrageous, laughable thing to say.

 

[The Gloaming]

****. If they sign Callahan his contract becomes an albatross in three years TOPS.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Intangibles can only go on for so long until the inevitable decline begins. I'm sorry but callahan is not the player he once was. He is a shell of the guy who wore 43 and worked his way up to becoming a captain. That guy I'd pay 6 million for but not this player that we've seen this year. A reputation contract can't go for 6 years.

Even more frustrating is how Sather and Barlett have managed to turn a fan favorite into a hated player. They're setting up for failure with this contract as he will never come close to that value. In the end it will turn a fan favorite homegrown captain into a hated overpaid shell of a fan favorite.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Intangibles can only go on for so long until the inevitable decline begins. I'm sorry but callahan is not the player he once was. He is a shell of the guy who wore 43 and worked his way up to becoming a captain. That guy I'd pay 6 million for but not this player that we've seen this year. A reputation contract can't go for 6 years.

Even more frustrating is how Sather and Barlett have managed to turn a fan favorite into a hated player. They're setting up for failure with this contract as he will never come close to that value. In the end it will turn a fan favorite homegrown captain into a hated overpaid shell of a fan favorite.

Yes they will. 100%

 

[Jim Ramsay]

The numbers I posted were assumed averages, so let's say it's 55 for the first two years, 30-35 in the last two years. Agreed on the hustle, I'd like to see that again. Don't think it's there, unfortunately.



And what kind of a contract do you expect David Backes to sign when he's a UFA in 2 years? Hell, he could get 6.5-7 per year right now as a UFA. Who knows what he'll get when the cap is nearing 80 million.

If you are saying that right now Backes is worth 6.5-7 mil then that even further supports the argument that Callahan shouldn't be making any thing near 6 million...he is not even close to Backes right now.

Backes: 55 games, 20 goals, 22 assists is a +11, 83 PIM
Callahan: 45 games, 11 goals, 14 assists is a -3, 16 PIM

looks like Cally should be making closer to 5 mil range

 

[NewLife]

I think I softening up in the management here, why not try to resign a homegrown captain for once instead of overpay a outsider. Also Callhan locked to 6*6 is as good asset as him today. Another thing is, if it wasn't for Zuccarellos emerge him at that price would have sounded quite ok.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

I think I softening up in the management here, why not try to resign a homegrown captain for once instead of overpay a outsider. Also Callhan locked to 6*6 is as good asset as him today. Another thing is, if it wasn't for Zuccarellos emerge him at that price would have sounded quite ok.

Overpaying is overpaying, doesn't matter if its an outsider or insider. And Callahan never sounded OK at the salaries being discussed regardless of what Zuccarello does.

 

[eco's bones]

The no. 1 priority before anything else IMO is that Richards has to go at the end of this year. Claiming you'd rather have Richards at $6.6 than Callahan at $6 is a little disingenuous. The reason Richards has to go is his contract is toxic and it's because it was front loaded in the prior CBA with the last 3 years of almost no (in relative NHL terms) compensation at all. It was a 'retire after 6 years--with the compensation divvied up over 9. The Rangers will be on the hook for his entire cap hit for all of those years if they do not buy him out.

As for Callahan I admire him as a player. He's made the absolute most out of his ability and has played balls to the wall for us for a long time. He's never been a passenger--he's not a passenger this year either. There may be signs that his game is declining. I'm not absolutely convinced of that--the injuries are concerning. His role under AV is different than under Torts. People should keep that in mind. Less ice time--often means less point production. This year he's not been the 2nd right winger--he's been the 3rd.

Is he worth $6 mil per for 6 years--not to my mind but I think he easily gets that as a UFA this summer. I'm not mad at him for trying to get the best deal possible. It's just a bit over the top. The Rangers IMO should probably trade him. I just don't understand this anger towards him. I can be fickle too but this is a bit much.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

The no. 1 priority before anything else IMO is that Richards has to go at the end of this year. Claiming you'd rather have Richards at $6.6 than Callahan at $6 is a little disingenuous. The reason Richards has to go is his contract is toxic and it's because it was front loaded in the prior CBA with the last 3 years of almost no (in relative NHL terms) compensation at all. It was a 'retire after 6 years--with the compensation divvied up over 9. The Rangers will be on the hook for his entire cap hit for all of those years if they do not buy him out.

As for Callahan I admire him as a player. He's made the absolute most out of his ability and has played balls to the wall for us for a long time. He's never been a passenger--he's not a passenger this year either. There may be signs that his game is declining. I'm not absolutely convinced of that--the injuries are concerning. His role under AV is different than under Torts. People should keep that in mind. Less ice time--often means less point production. This year he's not been the 2nd right winger--he's been the 3rd.

Is he worth $6 mil per for 6 years--not to my mind but I think he easily gets that as a UFA this summer. I'm not mad at him for trying to get the best deal possible. It's just a bit over the top. The Rangers IMO should probably trade him. I just don't understand this anger towards him. I can be fickle too but this is a bit much.

So, if Callahan signs in the 6x6.25 range, how soon is too soon to boo him?

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

Intangibles can only go on for so long until the inevitable decline begins. I'm sorry but callahan is not the player he once was. He is a shell of the guy who wore 43 and worked his way up to becoming a captain. That guy I'd pay 6 million for but not this player that we've seen this year. A reputation contract can't go for 6 years.

Even more frustrating is how Sather and Barlett have managed to turn a fan favorite into a hated player. They're setting up for failure with this contract as he will never come close to that value. In the end it will turn a fan favorite homegrown captain into a hated overpaid shell of a fan favorite.

Or maybe some Ranger fans aren't as loyal as they pretend to be.

 

[Jim Ramsay]

The no. 1 priority before anything else IMO is that Richards has to go at the end of this year. Claiming you'd rather have Richards at $6.6 than Callahan at $6 is a little disingenuous. The reason Richards has to go is his contract is toxic and it's because it was front loaded in the prior CBA with the last 3 years of almost no (in relative NHL terms) compensation at all. It was a 'retire after 6 years--with the compensation divvied up over 9. The Rangers will be on the hook for his entire cap hit for all of those years if they do not buy him out.

As for Callahan I admire him as a player. He's made the absolute most out of his ability and has played balls to the wall for us for a long time. He's never been a passenger--he's not a passenger this year either. There may be signs that his game is declining. I'm not absolutely convinced of that--the injuries are concerning. His role under AV is different than under Torts. People should keep that in mind. Less ice time--often means less point production. This year he's not been the 2nd right winger--he's been the 3rd.

Is he worth $6 mil per for 6 years--not to my mind but I think he easily gets that as a UFA this summer. I'm not mad at him for trying to get the best deal possible. It's just a bit over the top. The Rangers IMO should probably trade him. I just don't understand this anger towards him. I can be fickle too but this is a bit much.

I am not mad at Callahan for any thing, I'm mad at the thought of us having to have this guy for the next 6+ years at 6 million dollars..... you even just said he is more of a 3rd line winger right now....you don't pay that kind of money for a third liner

 

[GregSirico]

Let's say for fun Callahan ends up signing a 6 x 6 contract.

What does he need to do in your eyes to justify that contract? And don't say "win the Stanley Cup", because that's a team effort.

Would averaging a pace of 20-25-45 per year, averaging around 70 games, and continuing to be a solid option on the PK be enough? I think it's possible that he could do all those things - but it would be on the higher side of expectations, for sure. Especially given the way he's looked this year.

For 6M, he needs to produce like Jonathan Toews, Thomas Vanek, or the Sedin twins.

 

[Thirty One]

For 6M, he needs to produce like Jonathan Toews, Thomas Vanek, or the Sedin twins.

Haha, ok.

 

[GAGLine]

Wait, wouldn't "at least $500,000-per-year apart on opposite sides of the $6 million annual mark" be something like: 5.75 vs. 6.25?

Yeah. Sather probably agreed to the extra year, but lowered the AAV as a result. Still, 6 x 5.75 is better than 5 x 6. 4.5 mil better.

 

[GregSirico]

Or maybe some Ranger fans aren't as loyal as they pretend to be.

Don't blame the fan base ... they root for the name on the front. It's not their fault if management locks up big money to a player who doesn't produce offensively to warrant that money. Like I have said NUMEROUS times .. do I want Cally here? Yes, for the rest of his career. But ... I want him here on a contract that fits his style of play and role.

 

[GregSirico]

Haha, ok.

Ok, maybe I was a bit unfair lol.

 

[NewLife]

Overpaying is overpaying, doesn't matter if its an outsider or insider. And Callahan never sounded OK at the salaries being discussed regardless of what Zuccarello does.

I not sure about that really, but that for the past. If we not can sell him to what we really want until wednesday it's not such a bad thing to resign him at 6*6 and that's my main point.

Richards should be bought out and we gonna have cap space from that, this club isn't gonna save in on cap. Cap is assets. He is useful to this team still but not at the same level as a few seasons ago so yes he aint worth 6*6 I agree on that. To not give him a to big power in clauses is probably more important and big of a deal at this point than the money. How much have overpaid player hurt us really they have often been to a benefit of getting rid of.

 

[Don Chytil]

For 6M, he needs to produce like Jonathan Toews, Thomas Vanek, or the Sedin twins.

If this is a troll post, well done.

If serious - 3 of the players you just mentioned will make over 7 million next year. One of them will probably sign a contract for around 8 million next year. Please tell me why our 6 million dollar player needs to produce like those guys.

 

[GAGLine]

For 6M, he needs to produce like Jonathan Toews, Thomas Vanek, or the Sedin twins.

Toews signed his contract as a non-arbitration eligible RFA 3 years ago when the cap was significantly lower than it will be this coming year. Vanek signed his contract 6 years ago and was a non-arbitration eligible RFA as well.

The Sedins signed as UFAs, but they are a package deal. Individually, either would have gotten more money.

Apples and oranges.

 

[Bullseyes]

Or maybe some Ranger fans aren't as loyal as they pretend to be.

Or maybe people see that he's not worth the money he's asking for and he's already declining.

 

[GregSirico]

If this is a troll post, well done.

If serious - 3 of the players you just mentioned will make over 7 million next year. One of them will probably sign a contract for around 8 million next year. Please tell me why our 6 million dollar player needs to produce like those guys.

I was being sarcastic ;x

 

[Trxjw]

Or maybe some Ranger fans aren't as loyal as they pretend to be.

Let's not confuse loyalty with rationality.