Yeah its insane. This should have been handled weeks ago. Cally isn't some superstar. There are plenty of players in the league who offer the same damn thing with a much lower potential price tag.
TRADE HIM!!
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Yeah its insane. This should have been handled weeks ago. Cally isn't some superstar. There are plenty of players in the league who offer the same damn thing with a much lower potential price tag.
TRADE HIM!!
Let Blaine Die
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Yup. On that contract we'll be stuck with Callahan anyway. No team will touch that in 3-4 years.
sexton11
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I don't even care about a good return at this point. I just want the Rangers having some flexibility with the cap.
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Miller's game will most likely emulate Kesler, his peak may not be as high but he'll definitely be a solid hopefully cost controlled two way center for us. We need that more than a declining more expensive version who peaked higher but most likely won't achieve that success again.
I'm sure there is a graph for that maybe -31- can help me out. Two lines each projecting previous and future success. I feel like it would look like an X with Kesler being the downward (bad for us) trending line.
I'm sure there is a graph for that maybe -31- can help me out. Two lines each projecting previous and future success. I feel like it would look like an X with Kesler being the downward (bad for us) trending line.
silverfish
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Right, but the NMC doesn't even give the Rangers the option of waiving him if he breaks down in a couple of years. Despite the cap hit they will still have if Callahan does report to Hartford, it would be better for the team to not have him around.
silverfish
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Gomez on Waivers. Trade Brassard for Kesler. Pick up Gomez. Let's go 
GOOOOOMMMMMEEEEEZZZZZZ
(somewhat sarcastic. I love Gomez)
GOOOOOMMMMMEEEEEZZZZZZ
(somewhat sarcastic. I love Gomez)
Absolutely. You can't have everyone on your team making 3 million plus. That's where we're headed.
That's why trading Callahan is the ONLY play. F nostalgia.
sexton11
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Gomez on Waivers. Trade Brassard for Kesler. Pick up Gomez. Let's go
GOOOOOMMMMMEEEEEZZZZZZ
(somewhat sarcastic. I love Gomez)
And I love cheeseburgers, but I don't want them playing C for the Rangers.
Yeah I agree. Fair value deal for both teams would be 5 years at 5.8M.
Going up an extra 300k isn't that big of a deal. Another year... yeah, but it's not a real stretch. Cap will go up to 90 while he's under contract, so it's something that can be managed as long as there isn't an NMC.
That affects maneuverability. Callahan isn't getting traded in a hockey deal, he's getting traded as a rental.
If its a hockey deal (won't be since STL traded Stewart already), then yeah the Rangers don't suffer. But as a rental, kiss this year goodbye and next, as Cally isn't going to get replaced.
Let Blaine Die
Holden out 4 a hero
Callahan is leveraging the C on the front of his sweater. I can't blame him but it in no way makes me want to go above and beyond to sign him, which is what he is STILL demanding. A bunch of people who want to bend over backwards to sign him simply because he is "Captain Cally."
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The only way I'll blame Sather is if he makes a mistake in re-signing Callahan today or tomorrow. The last contract Callahan signed was reasonable. If he would have signed Callahan longer, he would have assumed more risk at a higher AAV.
HockeyBasedNYC
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The fact that a NMC is even being discussed bothers me. That means they are close on the terms.
Signing him to a 6/36 deal IS A NMC. You wont need it in writing. Why does Rangers management fail to see this??????
Signing him to a 6/36 deal IS A NMC. You wont need it in writing. Why does Rangers management fail to see this??????
Who cares about what he did under Torts?
And no offense, but I'm sure Callahan hasn't sold 6.3 million worth of jerseys. Look, we get it, you love the guy, and so do many of us, but i'm not going to support a bad move by this franchise because of how hard someone played for us and how good a Ranger he HAS been.
It's about what he'll do in the future and this year has shown he's already trending downward and is not as vital a part of this team as under Torts.
It's about the name on the front, not the back.
This
P.S. 12 Noon passed 15 minutes ago. Stop negotiating, start working the lines. Let him go.
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I think Miller hasfinally solidified a spot on the big roster.
Our 4th line wasn't the one that ****ed our play up against the Bruins, it was the 2nd and 1st lines, with Brassard's ego getting involved too to make a couple of untimely and stupid penalties.
We miss Zucc. We also miss Henrik coming up huge. When Henrik became Henrik, our team gelled - solidified. He's the key. That's why he's the x-factor for our success. And I think once he regains that confidence and begins playing with the fire he was playing with for the last 2 months, we'll look legit again.
We however can not leave the 2nd line as constructed as it currently is.
I think Brassard and Miller are interchangeable and can produce at the same rate (with Zuccarello feeding them). In that event, I don't think a trade for Callahan should necessarily include another immediate roster player. Zucc's short injury stint may have been a blessing in disguise as the team could have evaluated Miller and determined that they have more flexibility when seeking a return for Callahan than they previously thought.
I don't think trading Hagelin is wise unless Vigneault doesn't even slot him as a 3rd line winger next year. Hags doesn't belong on the 2nd line but Vigneault can't disrupt that 3rd line because it's our most consistent points producer. Hags also doesn't fit in the offensive system AV incorporates. A lot of people here will have you believe that he's a perfect match "Fast puck controller who can forecheck"... Hags has been an ineffective forechecker this year, he hasn't controlled the puck well, and his (lack of) creativity has sorely been exposed. I attribute that to being placed on the 2nd line with a guy who takes his time to control the puck and make decisions based on the reactions of his linemates (Richards) and a guy who's deviated from the role that had previously made him a force to be reckoned with (strong and intense forechecker) to try and be a more offensively skilled player (Callahan).
Hags would certainly be more comfortable with players that are purely north-south, who attack the boards, and generate offense by creating turnovers and surprise scoring chances. But is that in the cards with him? Ideally, AV would slot him on the 3rd line and force both the 3rd and 4th line to be forechecking lines, but if this year is any indication, he really prefers 3 balanced lines of skill that can all score and 1 forechecking line.
In that event, Hags absolutely does not fit in this system. And to make matters worse for those who actually really enjoy watching him play game in and out (myself included) we have a direct replacement on the team for him in our minor league affiliate (Fast) who actually is better suited offensively to fit in this coach's offensive system.
So... in addition to Callahan, I'd include Hags to maximize the return. I do think it would be selling low. He had a slow start to the year because he was returning from that shoulder surgery that didn't allow him to get a training camp in nor to be able to work out at the rate he's used to. But that would be the cost of getting the highest possible return - and thus a guy who's more likely to be a difference maker for us in the future than just picks and sub par prospects.
That's my take on it.
Also, one of Stralman/Klein can't be on this team next year. They both offer the same offensive output, which is basically non-existant, and that is unacceptable for our offensive system. Klein looks completely out of place pitching in and Stralman's lost any semblance of offense since Torts reformed his playing style.
Success in the NHL isn't just derived from having cost effective players on the team. You need them, but that's not the reason to keep someone on a team. You try and have players that fit different roles on your team. We lack grit. We lack toughness. We lack any type of physical response. If a player isn't going to contribute offensively, they better at least be able to provide something of value in return. We have McIlrath coming up. Allen too. Both provide something that Stralman/Klein can't - either physicality or offense. One needs to be given up, the other needs to be cheaply resigned. AV moving Klein with Staal was interesting - he did something similar when he moved Moore up a few lines to see how he'd react with different line members.
Change I'd like to see this year: Cally + Hags shipped for the highest return (whether that be high end prospects/picks or a guy like MSL). Stralman or Klein shipped for the best available prospect they can yield or the best available pick they could yield.
Have Miller/Fast take spots up that we can't fill immediately (if Cally+Hags weren't traded for a roster player).
Next year have Allen/McIlrath battle it out for the final RD spot.
Our 4th line wasn't the one that ****ed our play up against the Bruins, it was the 2nd and 1st lines, with Brassard's ego getting involved too to make a couple of untimely and stupid penalties.
We miss Zucc. We also miss Henrik coming up huge. When Henrik became Henrik, our team gelled - solidified. He's the key. That's why he's the x-factor for our success. And I think once he regains that confidence and begins playing with the fire he was playing with for the last 2 months, we'll look legit again.
We however can not leave the 2nd line as constructed as it currently is.
I think Brassard and Miller are interchangeable and can produce at the same rate (with Zuccarello feeding them). In that event, I don't think a trade for Callahan should necessarily include another immediate roster player. Zucc's short injury stint may have been a blessing in disguise as the team could have evaluated Miller and determined that they have more flexibility when seeking a return for Callahan than they previously thought.
I don't think trading Hagelin is wise unless Vigneault doesn't even slot him as a 3rd line winger next year. Hags doesn't belong on the 2nd line but Vigneault can't disrupt that 3rd line because it's our most consistent points producer. Hags also doesn't fit in the offensive system AV incorporates. A lot of people here will have you believe that he's a perfect match "Fast puck controller who can forecheck"... Hags has been an ineffective forechecker this year, he hasn't controlled the puck well, and his (lack of) creativity has sorely been exposed. I attribute that to being placed on the 2nd line with a guy who takes his time to control the puck and make decisions based on the reactions of his linemates (Richards) and a guy who's deviated from the role that had previously made him a force to be reckoned with (strong and intense forechecker) to try and be a more offensively skilled player (Callahan).
Hags would certainly be more comfortable with players that are purely north-south, who attack the boards, and generate offense by creating turnovers and surprise scoring chances. But is that in the cards with him? Ideally, AV would slot him on the 3rd line and force both the 3rd and 4th line to be forechecking lines, but if this year is any indication, he really prefers 3 balanced lines of skill that can all score and 1 forechecking line.
In that event, Hags absolutely does not fit in this system. And to make matters worse for those who actually really enjoy watching him play game in and out (myself included) we have a direct replacement on the team for him in our minor league affiliate (Fast) who actually is better suited offensively to fit in this coach's offensive system.
So... in addition to Callahan, I'd include Hags to maximize the return. I do think it would be selling low. He had a slow start to the year because he was returning from that shoulder surgery that didn't allow him to get a training camp in nor to be able to work out at the rate he's used to. But that would be the cost of getting the highest possible return - and thus a guy who's more likely to be a difference maker for us in the future than just picks and sub par prospects.
That's my take on it.
Also, one of Stralman/Klein can't be on this team next year. They both offer the same offensive output, which is basically non-existant, and that is unacceptable for our offensive system. Klein looks completely out of place pitching in and Stralman's lost any semblance of offense since Torts reformed his playing style.
Success in the NHL isn't just derived from having cost effective players on the team. You need them, but that's not the reason to keep someone on a team. You try and have players that fit different roles on your team. We lack grit. We lack toughness. We lack any type of physical response. If a player isn't going to contribute offensively, they better at least be able to provide something of value in return. We have McIlrath coming up. Allen too. Both provide something that Stralman/Klein can't - either physicality or offense. One needs to be given up, the other needs to be cheaply resigned. AV moving Klein with Staal was interesting - he did something similar when he moved Moore up a few lines to see how he'd react with different line members.
Change I'd like to see this year: Cally + Hags shipped for the highest return (whether that be high end prospects/picks or a guy like MSL). Stralman or Klein shipped for the best available prospect they can yield or the best available pick they could yield.
Have Miller/Fast take spots up that we can't fill immediately (if Cally+Hags weren't traded for a roster player).
Next year have Allen/McIlrath battle it out for the final RD spot.
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Anyone remember who tweeted about Sather's ultimatum in the first place? Would like to find that tweet.
silverfish
got perma'd
It's the same reason people loved Jed Ortmeyer - but what did Sather do there? He saw an injury prone player (one a freak lung issue, if I remember correctly) and he didn't re-sign him, he let him walk.
(PSA: The only thing I'm comparing between Ortmeyer and Callahan is the size of their heart, and the lack of calcium in their bones. Please do not read this post and say how I'm an idiot for comparing a guy who put up X amount of points as captain of the Rangers to a fourth line grinder. Thank you for your time).
NYR Sting
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You just said you would laugh in his face and ship him out in a heartbeat. Yeah, the gratitude is oozing through your words.
Not sure how the NMC puts you "over the top." Other than demotion to the minors, NMCs are practically meaningless. How often do NMCs prevent roster moves? Guys with NMCs end up waving them when they realize their team desperately wants to get rid of them. Besides, why wouldn't Callahan ask for one, and how is it bad? He wants to be compensated with the salary that he earned, and he wants to be here. He wants to be a member of the New York Rangers. He's already almost certainly going to take less money than he would get on the open market if they agree to a deal.
People put WAY too much stock into NMCs.
How would you feel if Sather doesnt do anything with Callahan and lets it ride until the summer?
Something I feel more and more likely to happen
Dr. Ogrodnick
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The fact that a NMC is even being discussed bothers me. That means they are close on the terms.
Signing him to a 6/36 deal IS A NMC. You wont need it in writing. Why does Rangers management fail to see this??????
Well, it could just be the callahan camp asking for one and Sather saying no.
It really seems like both parties want to move on but are throwing enough info out there so they could both claim that they tried.
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