Proposal: Trade proposal thread - Trades are Needed---Who goes 1st?

[MSSLYNX]

No way I let Pleky set his own terms. I respect him but if we are not making the playoffs (very likely), I trade him to a cup contender and recoup future assets. He will get over it

Disagree here. The small return for a rental is not worth it. I prefer trying to send a much needed positive signal to the players all over the league to compensate for the recent russian debacles. Time to get back to the prestigious franchise it was.

I can live without an extra 3rd rounder or B prospect.

 

[brianp1950]

i still think Patches should go faster then Chuck,
and here is why

Chuck is young and may come around, Patches is not a captain, as Weber had to have the team over to try to get them fired up,

as well, Patches contract for a contender like STL or PITT, is not a burden...

MB will try to save face, and move one or both of these guys,......but when?

this week is a prime time to make a move

Do not trust him to make any trades, not one. He has been screwed every deal he’s made. GM needs to go before rebuild starts, he is the last guy we need in charge of trading away assets that the club has ruined. MB is not a GM

 

[theghost1]

Colorado is rebuilding. Not happening.

Yes,they are rebuilding that is why the package deal would be for young players like Galchenyuk reunited with Yakupov and Juulsen,and Lindgren,Colorado have 2 older goalies and 1st round pick.

 

[yianik]

Disagree here. The small return for a rental is not worth it. I prefer trying to send a much needed positive signal to the players all over the league to compensate for the recent russian debacles. Time to get back to the prestigious franchise it was.

I can live without an extra 3rd rounder or B prospect.

MB will trade him if the best he can get is Pleks and a 7th for a 6th in 2020. Buy a dog if you want loyalty.

 

[Runner77]

MB will trade him if the best he can get is Pleks and a 7th for a 6th in 2020. Buy a dog if you want loyalty.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Go get Puljujarvi quick.

 

[JohnnyB11]

Do not trust him to make any trades, not one. He has been screwed every deal he’s made. GM needs to go before rebuild starts, he is the last guy we need in charge of trading away assets that the club has ruined. MB is not a GM

Diaz for Weise

Weise and Flash for Danault and a 2nd

Eller for 2 2nds

A 2nd for Petry

Collberg for Vanek

He’s been screwed every deal he’s made? Sure thing boss.

 

[Fazkovsky]

I won’t lie I would trade pac for some d help

With the loss of sergachev , I would look for a D for Weber as a priority

 

[Runner77]

I won’t lie I would trade pac for some d help

With the loss of sergachev , I would look for a D for Weber as a priority

If I had the authority to choose, I'd much rather use one of the few big pieces we can trade, for that elusive no. 1C. Not having that first pairing PMD is no doubt also a need but since this team just can't score on a consistent basis, I'd prioritize scoring first and foremost.

 

[Fazkovsky]

If I had the authority to choose, I'd much rather use one of the few big pieces we can trade, for that elusive no. 1C. Not having that first pairing PMD is no doubt also a need but since this team just can't score on a consistent basis, I'd prioritize scoring first and foremost.

I understand but pac would be a piece interesting enough for a top D. The number 1 C is realistic with Pac and a package I guess. I don’t know , it’s harder to find a premium D then a Center or fwd.

Anything else we have as assets is meh besides Drouin or Galchenyuk.

 

[Runner77]

I understand but pac would be a piece interesting enough for a top D. The number 1 C is realistic with Pac and a package I guess. I don’t know , it’s harder to find a premium D then a Center or fwd.

Anything else we have as assets is meh besides Drouin or Galchenyuk.

If it's harder to find the D, then what the hell were we doing trading Sergachev for a forward? Man, this team ...

 

[Fazkovsky]

If it's harder to find the D, then what the hell were we doing trading Sergachev for a forward? Man, this team ...

It was more of a desesperation move for help on offence

In the summer when there were sergachev rumours , Bergevin did say we won’t move Sergachev

It’s hard to blame Bergevin on this one but the media and fans were so annoying with the lack of offence critics that Bergevin reacted

 

[Runner77]

A non-mainstream site argues that Pacioretty's trade value can be approximated by referring to both the Andrew Ladd and Phil Kessel trades:

Tout d'abord, Andrew Ladd, échangé par les Jets de Winnipeg aux Blackhawks de Chicago peu de temps avant la date limite des transactions en février 2016. Ladd était légèrement plus vieux que ne l'est Pacioretty, en était à sa dernière année de contrat et n'avait pas une fiche de route aussi éclatante, il produisait à ce moment à un rythme similaire à la production de MaxPac cette saison. Voici tout de même ce qu'il a rapporté aux Jets:

• Un ancien choix de 1ere ronde de 21 ans (Marko Dano)
• Un choix de 1ere ronde au repêchage de 2016
• Un choix conditionnel au repêchage de 2018
• Un vétéran pour libérer du salaire (Jay Harrison)
• Un joueur des ligues mineures (Matt Fraser)

Considérant la comparaison entre les deux joueurs, on peut dire sans trop se tromper que Pacioretty pourrait rapporter encore plus au Canadien.
Une autre comparaison intéressante serait celle de Phil Kessel, échangé des Maple Leafs de Toronto aux Penguins de Pittsburgh en 2015. Kessel avait une production offensive très similaire à celle de Pacioretty et était légèrement plus jeune mais avait un contrat à long terme en poche d'une valeur de 6.8 millions de dollars (Moins 1.2 million que les Leafs ont accepté de retenir dans l'échange). Voici ce que Toronto a reçu:

• Un ancien choix de 1ere ronde de 19 ans (Kasperi Kapanen)
• Un ancien choix de 2e ronde de 22 ans (Scott Harrington)
• Un ancien choix de 2e ronde de 27 ans (Nick Spaling)
• Un choix de 1ere ronde en 2016
• Un choix de 3e ronde en 2016

Voici la valeur de Max Pacioretty!

Thoughts?

 

[SakuKoivu11]

A non-mainstream site argues that Pacioretty's trade value can be approximated by referring to both the Andrew Ladd and Phil Kessel trades:

Tout d'abord, Andrew Ladd, échangé par les Jets de Winnipeg aux Blackhawks de Chicago peu de temps avant la date limite des transactions en février 2016. Ladd était légèrement plus vieux que ne l'est Pacioretty, en était à sa dernière année de contrat et n'avait pas une fiche de route aussi éclatante, il produisait à ce moment à un rythme similaire à la production de MaxPac cette saison. Voici tout de même ce qu'il a rapporté aux Jets:

• Un ancien choix de 1ere ronde de 21 ans (Marko Dano)
• Un choix de 1ere ronde au repêchage de 2016
• Un choix conditionnel au repêchage de 2018
• Un vétéran pour libérer du salaire (Jay Harrison)
• Un joueur des ligues mineures (Matt Fraser)

Considérant la comparaison entre les deux joueurs, on peut dire sans trop se tromper que Pacioretty pourrait rapporter encore plus au Canadien.
Une autre comparaison intéressante serait celle de Phil Kessel, échangé des Maple Leafs de Toronto aux Penguins de Pittsburgh en 2015. Kessel avait une production offensive très similaire à celle de Pacioretty et était légèrement plus jeune mais avait un contrat à long terme en poche d'une valeur de 6.8 millions de dollars (Moins 1.2 million que les Leafs ont accepté de retenir dans l'échange). Voici ce que Toronto a reçu:

• Un ancien choix de 1ere ronde de 19 ans (Kasperi Kapanen)
• Un ancien choix de 2e ronde de 22 ans (Scott Harrington)
• Un ancien choix de 2e ronde de 27 ans (Nick Spaling)
• Un choix de 1ere ronde en 2016
• Un choix de 3e ronde en 2016

Voici la valeur de Max Pacioretty!

Thoughts?

Ladd was a UFA. Plus he’s no where close to Pacioretty level.
Kessel’s Contract was an issue. I think Toronto is still paying him so his value wasn’t high because they wanted to get rid of the bad contract.

At $4.5 mil for 2 more seasons, Pacioretty is a steal at that contract especially for a perennial 30 goal scorer.

I expect roster player top 9, top prospect and first round pick.

If San Jose came calling it’s Hertl, Meier and first.
Kings? Kampe Clague and first.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Ladd was a UFA. Plus he’s no where close to Pacioretty level.
Kessel’s Contract was an issue. I think Toronto is still paying him so his value wasn’t high because they wanted to get rid of the bad contract.

At $4.5 mil for 2 more seasons, Pacioretty is a steal at that contract especially for a perennial 30 goal scorer.

I expect roster player top 9, top prospect and first round pick.

If San Jose came calling it’s Hertl, Meier and first.
Kings? Kampe Clague and first.

I would want more than this for Pacioretty. I am wanting at least a C back.

 

[OldCraig71]

You wont give a team a potential number one D for a winger, I mean what Gm is dumb enough to do that?

 

[Fazkovsky]

You wont give a team a potential number one D for a winger, I mean what Gm is dumb enough to do that?

Bergy bin did it

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Karlsson was asked about a 10 team - no trade list
If Ottawa don't make the playoffs, I think there's a good chance they trade Karlsson in the offseason

Weber for Karlsson would make a ton of sense for both teams
Ottawa trades a guy they might not be able to re-sign, and get back a number 1 D, who's only going to get paid 6 million in actual salary for the next several years, so Melnyk would be saving a ton of money.

We upgrade from Weber to Karlsson, and have the money to give him his huge contract extension

 

[The Great Weal]

Wonder if Philly would move Sanheim or Ghost+ Konecny.

 

[NotProkofievian]

So dank. lol

 

[Runner77]

So dank. lol

I knew you'd pick up on it.

 

[vokiel]

A non-mainstream site argues that Pacioretty's trade value can be approximated by referring to both the Andrew Ladd and Phil Kessel trades:

...
Voici la valeur de Max Pacioretty!

Thoughts?

I think that's a pretty good picture.

We should at least expect a non-lottery 1st rounder & a good A-level prospect coming back.

I'd accept McLeod & a 1st from New Jersey for instance.

 

[MSSLYNX]

Wonder if Philly would move Sanheim or Ghost+ Konecny.

Not the slighest of chance. Rebuilding so the young guys are not traded for Max.

 

[MSSLYNX]

I think that's a pretty good picture.

We should at least expect a non-lottery 1st rounder & a good A-level prospect coming back.

I'd accept McLeod & a 1st from New Jersey for instance.

Sign me up. Exactly the kind of deal i’m hoping for. Not sure NJ is going for it though. Great and unexpected start from me anyway but this is a long season.

 

[Dannyhab]

To NYI
Max Pacioretty
Carey Price

To MTL
A Signed John Tavares, Pick

To EDM
Alex Galchenyuk, Karl Alzner, Mike McCaron

To:
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Puljujarvi

I'm overpaying but I'm getting some decent stuff back that will allow the team to grown long term.