Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[nhlfan9191]

I keep hearing Anderson, Calgary 1st, Edmonton 2nd for the 2OA pick

If they do that my pick would be Slafkovski. Our top 2 lines would be solid with Suzuki Caufield and Wright and Slaf

Grant McCagg or HF is not a source.

 

[jrom]

Detroit fans are smoking some good stuff, they think we need to add a first-rounder just to get rid of Petry's contract!

I hope we trade Petry and/or Anderson to either Detroit / NY Rangers / Ottawa / New Jersey just for the reaction on HF boards

 

[jaffy27]

This 5th pick this year could be Nemec or Jiricek, or Gauthier ????

There’s still no guarantee…..In Anderson, a healthy one, you are getting 25 goals next year….you are not getting that with Gauthier for at least 4yrs and thats if everything goes good. I think Philly wants to get back to respectability next year…Anderson is a good start.

Jiricek and Nemec are intriguing….but they won’t make an impact for at least 3yrs….and that’s if everything goes good.

Hey, they may end up being Hanifin’s like they mey end up being a Reinhart.

I’m entertaining the idea because we are tanking and in rebuilding mode.

If we were contending, I’d never make that trade.

I keep hearing Anderson, Calgary 1st, Edmonton 2nd for the 2OA pick

If they do that my pick would be Slafkovski. Our top 2 lines would be solid with Suzuki Caufield and Wright and Slaf

Hearing from where?

 

[BenchBrawl]

That three-way deal between MTL, NJ and Columbus seemed like the most likely rumor I heard. I didn't particularly like it, but it was in the ballpark.

 

[Doc5]

It would be quite funny if we somehow do end up getting the second overall pick but in hindsight don’t end up with the best player in the draft despite having the first 2 picks

 

[BenchBrawl]

It would be quite funny if we somehow do end up getting the second overall pick but in hindsight don’t end up with the best player in the draft despite having the first 2 picks

It won't be funny for HuGo, let me tell you that. You'll start hearing the "Fire HuGo" chants.

Obviously if one random player skyrockets and we get the 2nd and 3rd best, it's not the end of the world, but if they bust big time, the rebuild would effectively have been destroyed.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I wouldn't trade any of Romanov, Guhle, Harris or Barron. Anyone else is fair game.

For a shot at Nemec 2OA I easily trade any of those.

 

[ReHabs]

There’s still no guarantee…..In Anderson, a healthy one, you are getting 25 goals next year….you are not getting that with Gauthier for at least 4yrs and thats if everything goes good. I think Philly wants to get back to respectability next year…Anderson is a good start.

Jiricek and Nemec are intriguing….but they won’t make an impact for at least 3yrs….and that’s if everything goes good.

Hey, they may end up being Hanifin’s like they mey end up being a Reinhart.

I’m entertaining the idea because we are tanking and in rebuilding mode.

If we were contending, I’d never make that trade.


Hearing from where?

Interesting comments here.

I think you're right that the progression of a player from the time they're drafted to becoming an contributor and potentially impact player is at least two years, often times more so let's say three. What follows is the 'traditional' rebuild model we all accept needs to be tweaked.

If the Habs sell off and draft more players TODAY, it will mean Suzuki will be 25/26 when the draftees will contribute to the Habs. And if they need one year to adapt to the NHL and two to become impact players (assuming all goes right) that is D+5... Suzuki will be 27/28. (Caufield is only one year younger than Suzuki).

If Habs fans wish to see playoff action before half a decade from now they have to accept that the Habs need a diversity of age profiles. Perhaps retaining Josh Anderson is a better move to support that. Or better yet, selling Anderson while he's healthy and his stock is high and replacing him with a cheaper 40 point winger, as there are many of those around.

 

[jellybeans]

So according to D’Amico, the asking price for 2OA is “…an impact NHL roster player, a second rounder and prospect, or if not an impact guy in the NHL, a good player at least, a first round pick and prospect. I know they really want D and a goalie.”

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I think Anderson, our 2nd, and one of our d prospects should do it if that’s true

Lol not even close.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Anderson + Romanov for 5OA + JvR

Anderson + Romanov for 7OA + Matt Murray

I would do both of those. Obviously the Flyers trade is better so they have priority unless Ottawa wants to outbid it.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Anderson + Romanov for 5OA + JvR

Anderson + Romanov for 7OA + Matt Murray

I would do both of those. Obviously the Flyers trade is better so they have priority unless Ottawa wants to outbid it.

Romanov isn’t going anywhere, especially as a throw in.

 

[morhilane]

Anderson + Romanov for 5OA + JvR

Anderson + Romanov for 7OA + Matt Murray

I would do both of those. Obviously the Flyers trade is better so they have priority unless Ottawa wants to outbid it.

Would you trade Anderson + Romanov for the 5oa + Gallagher? Because that's just what you proposed, both JvR and Murray never performed at the value of their current contract.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Would you trade Anderson + Romanov for the 5oa + Gallagher? Because that's just what you proposed, both JvR and Murray never performed at the value of their current contract.

They are both short term cap dumps. Gallagher is a much bigger burden than these two.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Romanov isn’t going anywhere, especially as a throw in.

You have to part with something that makes you uncomfortable to get such a high pick. #7OA is either Nazar or Savoie which I think has greater potential that what I’m giving up.

 

[morhilane]

They are both short term cap dumps.

Doesn't matter. Cap dumps of that size, even for a year, require teams to add to move unless it's a cap dump swap like Dadonov for Weber. They have negative value. At least an early 2nd and sometimes a 1st (top 10 protected) is required to move them.

Anderson + Romanov for a late 1st is what you are proposing in term of value and Anderson is worth more than that by himself.

 

[Sterling Archer]

You have to part with something that makes you uncomfortable to get such a high pick. #7OA is either Nazar or Savoie which I think has greater potential that what I’m giving up.

You don’t HAVE to do anything. Trading Anderson (top 6 winger) AND Romanov (top 4) D for a pick when you already have the 1st is a WANT. I doubt the Habs want to make that deal. I know I wouldn’t.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

You don’t HAVE to do anything. Trading Anderson (top 6 winger) AND Romanov (top 4) D for a pick when you already have the 1st is a WANT. I doubt the Habs want to make that deal. I know I wouldn’t.

I think Anderson is at peak value right now. He’s likely gonna get injured sooner than later and he is what he is at his age. 20ish goals and 40 points. Sell sell sell.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Detroit fans are smoking some good stuff, they think we need to add a first-rounder just to get rid of Petry's contract!

It's the same as everyone (including Habs fans) thinking that Habs would need to sweeten the pot in order to get rid of Weber's contract. As we saw, Habs didn't attach a pick or a prospect to the deal.

I think fans of other teams also need to look at the precedent Kent Hughes has set of being able to get more out of a deal than most thought. How many thought Chiarot would never bring in a 1st? How many thought Kulak wouldn't go for anything higher than a 4th? How many thought Lehkonen wouldn't bring in a 2nd + a top prospect?

 

[Sterling Archer]

I think Anderson is at peak value right now. He’s likely gonna get injured sooner than later and he is what he is at his age. 20ish goals and 40 points. Sell sell sell.

I wouldn’t want to trade Anderson but I do agree he’s at peak value now. My issues isn’t with that. It’s your proposal throwing in Romanov. That’s a non starter

 

[Ozmodiar]

That three-way deal between MTL, NJ and Columbus seemed like the most likely rumor I heard. I didn't particularly like it, but it was in the ballpark.

You know there’s BS rumours flying around when a 3-way deal is the MOST likely of the bunch.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

I wouldn’t want to trade Anderson but I do agree he’s at peak value now. My issues isn’t with that. It’s your proposal throwing in Romanov. That’s a non starter

Meh. His ceiling is a Chiarot level type of D. You can find those on the UFA market every year. Right now he can be signed for cheap which raises his value. I dont think he’s a mega important core piece going forward.

 

[Vachon23]

So, heard a rumour that we almost trade Petry for James van Riemsdyk ... why would we make such a trade, unless there was something else serious coming our way? We don't seem to need any more forwards, JVM is past his prime, etc. The only advantage is it might clear cap space quicker, but in that case, I would just keep playing Petry under MSL and see if someone is desperate for a D as the season progresses.

If the trade is JVM and a blue chip prospect, or a 1st, then maybe.

JVR is FA at the end of the year so we would save money and he will have value at the TDL

 

[Jaynki]

Bergevin : I dont use media to negotiate.

Hughes : I am not sure we will trade Petry. But one thing i can tell you, my phone is ringing more this week than last week.

He is kinda putting pressure on the GM who negotiates with him. Like the offer is not good enough and now im receiving a lot of calls.

Its nice to have a GM who is intelligent enough to use the media and pump his players.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

So, heard a rumour that we almost trade Petry for James van Riemsdyk ... why would we make such a trade, unless there was something else serious coming our way? We don't seem to need any more forwards, JVM is past his prime, etc. The only advantage is it might clear cap space quicker, but in that case, I would just keep playing Petry under MSL and see if someone is desperate for a D as the season progresses.

If the trade is JVM and a blue chip prospect, or a 1st, then maybe.

It makes sense if HuGo wants to clear the roster of what's left of Bergy's tenure and put their own mark. Taking FAs like JVR and Dadonov would allow us to have a nice clean reset in the summer of 23.

 

[Vachon23]

It's the same as everyone (including Habs fans) thinking that Habs would need to sweeten the pot in order to get rid of Weber's contract. As we saw, Habs didn't attach a pick or a prospect to the deal.

I think fans of other teams also need to look at the precedent Kent Hughes has set of being able to get more out of a deal than most thought. How many thought Chiarot would never bring in a 1st? How many thought Kulak wouldn't go for anything higher than a 4th? How many thought Lehkonen wouldn't bring in a 2nd + a top prospect?

Lehkonen and Chairot, it was predictable. Past players that are comparable to them (Savard/Coleman/Goodrow) and where rentals at the TDL got that type of return. I was surprise for Kulak though.

The precedent for players like Petry (35 + at 5m and + with multiple years), is that the return is never really good.